Average guys with a 9-5 job

[9Volt]

9Volt has clearly NEVER so much as sniffed a stripper's panties and thinks she should be amply rewarded. Go ahead and get the last word in, little girl. You obviously have alerts set up on your Obamaphone. I'll think of you went Brady wins #5.

Why would I need to when I get chicks that are hotter looking yet don't need to strip and use a dude like a sugar daddy?

lil Neil you paying these mediocre strippers to sniff their panties while you tell them they're "models" taking pictures for your scrap book?

 

[Urbanyst]

This is so true. On the open market you are not going to compete for top tier women if you are average.

Why? Because top tier women are not average and they don't settle for average. They are exceptional and expect to choose from exceptional.

I mean if you as a man have exceptional to choose from are you going to pick average? Seriously?

It all gets back to the whole water seeks its own level thing. I understand that is a tough answer to hear but it is the absolute truth. What separates the men from the boys is who chooses to be motivated by the truth and pursue self improvement and who chooses to throw in the towel when confronted by the truth. Most men throw in the towel and call it good.

I agree with @zekko and others here that men should focus on being their best selves for themselves and for the intrinsic self growth that self improvement and self actualization brings. Women's affections are a natural byproduct of this process but should not be the end goal in and of itself. If women are a man's main focus and goal, a man is going to turn off women, and the whole thing becomes a nasty negative feedback loop.

Aspire to be the best you that you can be. Whatever that means. Actualize yourself.

A lot of guys are just too desperate. Being desperate means you are below average. The average guy is not desperate from what I've seen.

We have our whole lives to date and have kids. I don't know why young guys in their 20's and 30's take it so seriously like the world is going to end if they can't find a great girl right away.

 

[fastlife]

The fact that we haven't adapted to this could explain the 30 year suicide high we are seeing now. You used to be able to trade your soul to a corporate devil and slave away the best years of your life, but it was a sure thing that you'd get a wife, kids, and McMansion for it. Now, guys are just trading their soul to a corporate devil, slaving away and most are get nothing for it.

Of course, it's hard to do something other than that life because nobody is actually going to teach you how to quit your job and learn to support yourself. There will be some (like on this forum) who will pound their chest and exclaim from the rooftops that they did it, but they will never share a blueprint on how, so they are virtually useless. Then there will be others who try to sell you a product (a self-help book) or some other get rich quick scheme, with a facade of humility in the tone, claiming to show you the "secrets", but it's all fluff and cliches.

Unless your parents or a mentor taught you how to make money from nothing, you're likely to be stuck in this expired life model. And that explain the 75-80% of American dissatisfaction with their jobs.

Agreed--but I think things are slowly shifting. Guys are dumb, but they're not stupid--and they will adapt eventually. The internet's been a game changer. I think male birth control & VR sex robots will be game changers. I imagine that in ~20 years the SMP will totally change, so that gives us around 20 years of working on ourselves to have an abundance of options that are a cut above the options on the current market.

As far as achieving financial independence, I think men have more resources now than they ever did. If you have an internet connection & a high enough level of applicable/critical intelligence, you can teach yourself how to become not just competent, but advanced, at just about any skill/market imaginable. And I'm constantly finding guys to act as proxy-mentors who just put their wisdom out there for all to see.

As far as monetizing self-help, I have no problem with it--I also haven't paid for sh1t lol. I think the most important thing any of the 'gurus' sell is belief (which is why it's all usually so fluffy & insubstantial). But belief goes a long way. Belief is the prerequisite for any achievement. The people who benefit the most from self-help are those with the least amount of rational/critical thinking. And meditation is hugely important for cultivating the ability to turn off your rational/critical mind and to select the beliefs that most benefit you.

@fastlife: what you say holds true for women 18-25. When you get into women in their late 20s/30s, security/money matters. The smarter ones in that age bracket are not looking for the ol' pump and dump by the hot poolboy.

Can't imagine why you'd worry about girls above the age of 25--but, for the most part, that's been my experience as well. The Excitement:Security ratio tends to be on a sliding scale according to a woman's age & hotness. If you're dating 60 y/o's, then you'd want almost total security with the smallest splash of excitement.

And security is an essential aspect of any LTR with a woman over the age of 22 or so. So a lot of it depends on your goals.

 

[9Volt]

Agreed--but I think things are slowly shifting. Guys are dumb, but they're not stupid--and they will adapt eventually. The internet's been a game changer. I think male birth control & VR sex robots will be game changers. I imagine that in ~20 years the SMP will totally change, so that gives us around 20 years of working on ourselves to have an abundance of options that are a cut above the options on the current market.

As far as achieving financial independence, I think men have more resources now than they ever did. If you have an internet connection & a high enough level of applicable/critical intelligence, you can teach yourself how to become not just competent, but advanced, at just about any skill/market imaginable. And I'm constantly finding guys to act as proxy-mentors who just put their wisdom out there for all to see.

As far as monetizing self-help, I have no problem with it--I also haven't paid for sh1t lol. I think the most important thing any of the 'gurus' sell is belief (which is why it's all usually so fluffy & insubstantial). But belief goes a long way. Belief is the prerequisite for any achievement. The people who benefit the most from self-help are those with the least amount of rational/critical thinking. And meditation is hugely important for cultivating the ability to turn off your rational/critical mind and to select the beliefs that most benefit you.



Can't imagine why you'd worry about girls above the age of 25--but, for the most part, that's been my experience as well. The Excitement:Security ratio tends to be on a sliding scale according to a woman's age & hotness. If you're dating 60 y/o's, then you'd want almost total security with the smallest splash of excitement.

And security is an essential aspect of any LTR with a woman over the age of 22 or so. So a lot of it depends on your goals.

Sex robots game changers? If a dude needs a sex robot he's not getting the real thing. And who's going to keep cleaning it after every release? Or will these dudes with soiled sex robots be replacing them weekly then shelling out to buy another one while their neighbors look through the curtains at the town weirdo tossing his spunk covered sex robot in the trash?

 

[fastlife]

Sex robots game changers? If a dude needs a sex robot he's not getting the real thing. And who's going to keep cleaning it after every release? Or will these dudes with soiled sex robots be replacing them weekly then shelling out to buy another one while their neighbors look through the curtains at the town weirdo tossing his spunk covered sex robot in the trash?

The handful of guys who post, "OMG so beautiful!!!" on all of her IG photos, those guys will have sex robots. The guy who takes her to brunch with no expectation of sexual reciprocation? He'll have a sex robot. The horny dude at the bar; he might never leave his house.

Where will she get her validation if she has to compete for a smaller pool of men who all have potential access to willing, convincing sexual 'partners' in their closet?

Eighty years ago a guy with a porn collection would've been looked at exactly the way you described above.

 

[9Volt]

The handful of guys who post, "OMG so beautiful!!!" on all of her IG photos, those guys will have sex robots. The guy who takes her to brunch with no expectation of sexual reciprocation? He'll have a sex robot. The horny dude at the bar; he might never leave his house.

Where will she get her validation if she has to compete for a smaller pool of men who all have potential access to willing, convincing sexual 'partners' in their closet?

Eighty years ago a guy with a porn collection would've been looked at exactly the way you described above.

And those would be the dudes chicks never had interest in to begin with.

It's like taking away something that isn't wanted in the first place. If some chick I never wanted or had any interest in "took herself away from me" I wouldn't care as I never wanted nor had interest in her. If there's no value to take there's nothing to take back.