“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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Average guys with a 9-5 job

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It's not so much about where you are as where you are going. If you are happy in your 9-5 job and do not have ambition to get higher most women will not be attracted to you. Women like guys that are always striving to be better.
I agree completely. That IS how women tend to view things.

The only "downside" I can see is that a guy might be happy where he currently is and REALLY good at his current job. Then he moves up (or advances/gets promoted) into something that he sucks at and has no natural talent for.

For example, some guys are really good engineers, but they suck once they move up into management. For example, he wanted to advance and make more $$ to make wifey happy, but his natural talents were more technical than people skills, leadership and business. I know plenty of people that regret promotions for reasons similar to that.

Anyway, by all means advance if you want, but focus on what you are good at.
 

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I agree completely. That IS how women tend to view things.

The only "downside" I can see is that a guy might be happy where he currently is and REALLY good at his current job. Then he moves up (or advances/gets promoted) into something that he sucks at and has no natural talent for.

For example, some guys are really good engineers, but they suck once they move up into management. For example, he wanted to advance and make more $$ to make wifey happy, but his natural talents were more technical than people skills, leadership and business. I know plenty of people that regret promotions for reasons similar to that.

Anyway, by all means advance if you want, but focus on what you are good at.
If you find yourself in a situation where you are pretty topped out at where you are and you are happy with what you are doing, then go get a sideline hustle. I always have a couple of things going on in the oven baking away. What chicks really hate are dude that come home from work and park their @sses in front of the X-box... It's not to say you can't take time to enjoy your life, but too many men just freaking waste their lives on things that add no value to their lives. If you aren't making money, then you should at least be trying to improve yourself. I figure I will stop trying to learn new things when I am dead.

Right now I'm learning swing dancing... after I'm good at that it will be on to the next thing.
 

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Women do NOT give credit for future potential, except for guys they already fell for. Ask me how I know.
 

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If you find yourself in a situation where you are pretty topped out at where you are and you are happy with what you are doing, then go get a sideline hustle. I always have a couple of things going on in the oven baking away. What chicks really hate are dude that come home from work and park their @sses in front of the X-box... It's not to say you can't take time to enjoy your life, but too many men just freaking waste their lives on things that add no value to their lives. If you aren't making money, then you should at least be trying to improve yourself. I figure I will stop trying to learn new things when I am dead.

Right now I'm learning swing dancing... after I'm good at that it will be on to the next thing.
I think you already lose the game by default if you adapt what you like to do to suit womens' opinions.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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Working a 9-5 used to be a great proposition for men--due to societal constrictions that made women dependent on male resources and monogamy the overwhelming social norm, you could assure yourself a wife, a family, communal respect, etc. by putting your head down and doing what you were told. That's no longer the case.

The sexual marketplace has become a free market. Women vote with their eggs (or more than that, given modern contraception, their 'hypothetical' eggs) and they are not voting for providers or stability, at least not in their prime.

Why else would a man work a 9-5 unless it was to provide for a woman? Maybe it's work he really loves--and in that case, I say go for it. Maybe it's to support a lifestyle he really loves outside of work--and in that case, I say go for it. But usually it's neither. Usually a man settles in to a 9-5 because it's expected (caving to societal pressures), to get approval from his community (approval-seeking behavior/low self-worth), because he thinks he has to do it to get sexual access (low self-worth, misunderstanding of male/female dynamics), or because he's risk-avoidant. All of those are signifiers of weakness & low social status. Basically, it's a huge bargaining arrangement to trade you time & resources in negotiation for female desire.

The truth is, women in their primes don't want their desires negotiated for. They'd rather have a total deadbeat who's done absolutely nothing to qualify for her approval than a guy who's dedicated years of his life to shape himself into a 'suitable' partner that women should desire. They'd rather have an exciting broke guy than a stable, respectable cubicle drone.

I'm doing pretty well for myself, but I don't tell women how much money I make (and the fact I make money in the first place is incidental to my decision that I'd never again be dependent on any one boss or job to sacrifice my time & principles to serve any purpose other than my own). I tell them I work fast food or that I'm a professional gambler. I make it clear, covertly, that there are no resources here except for excitement, good convo & my 'hypothetical' genetics. Maybe a glass of cheap wine.

Women are not attracted to men. They are attracted to the resources those men provide. Get some resources.
Women are aroused by men--specifically the emotions those men make them feel. They might marry for resources, they might even fvck for resources; but women don't get wet every time they get a paycheck; your strippers don't get wet for every guy who throws them stacks, they don't rub their money on their cl1t when they get off work. Your perceived correlation between resources & arousal is because YOU feel better about YOURSELF when YOU have resources; women are aroused by your feelings about yourself, not on any logical qualifications those feelings are based on. For instance, if you could convince your subconscious that women were attracted to red t-shirts, that red t-shirts were the greatest, most important thing in the world & that your red t-shirt made you the highest status man in any room, then wearing a red t-shirt would create the same damn effect lol.
 

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Indeed, there is one level of indirection between resources and the confidence generating them provides.

Strippers are only attracted to 1% of their customers.
 

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I'm not actualized today after my successes. I was actualized at the tender age of 8.
It's great that you were on a successful path at a young age, but not everybody has everything figured out by age 8. Just because a 21 year old dude is on this forum working at an entry level job, that doesn't mean his future is set. He still has time to improve himself, and his position.

I've seen a lot of comments on the manosphere by bitter young men who think "Well, I can't be multimillion dollar CEO, so I'll just go on welfare and opt out of this society that wants to enslave me". Those people are a drain on resources.

Better that a guy works a regular job, at least he learns a work ethic that way. They aren't necessarily stuck there until the grave. Those people should be encouraged, not told that they're losers.

As for women, bartender is a profession that often gets talked about as being attractive to women. But most guys aren't going to get rich tending bar.
 

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It seems like lately there have been a lot of posters attacking guys who have average jobs and average lives.
Bro posters here attack any other poster on anything. If you are in a relationship, you are attacked. If you are not in a relationship, you are attached. If you have kids, you are attacked. If you don't have kids, you are attacked. If you believe blue pill, you are attacked. If you believe red pill, you are attacked. If you dating a single mom, you are attacked. If you are getting married, you are attacked. If you are getting divorced, you are attacked. If you have a sosuave account, you are attacked.

Well, I may be wrong, but I do think there are tons of women out there who have average jobs. Are they all dating rockstars and celebrities?
Bro that's apples and oranges. Men are to constantly improve at all costs. Women just have to look good and be fertile.

If you ask me, a guy with a 9-5 job could very well be above average. Many guys are unemployed or underemployed. Not to mention, many guys with no money are pulling women.
Again bro, the issues have nothing to do with each other. 9-5 job and getting women are completely unrelated.

The average income in America is what, $40,000? A bunch of people who have 2 kids are making that much. If you're a guy making $60K and you're single, you're way ahead of the game. Now, still, you're not rich by any means, but you should be able to attract women. This whole "average guys don't get laid" thing is nonsense.

The idea that you have to be this exotic guy is pretty blue pill. It means that you have to be a top notch guy in order to have women, while women only have to be average or below average to get men. At some point, the power dynamic needs to shift because at this point it is unsustainable. Guys (especially on chat boards) keep giving women more and more power, making them feel like they are goddesses who deserve billionaires.

The majority of women we approach are average. While it's true you should always be on the lookout for self-improvement, the notion that "average guys with average jobs" are at a disadvantage is toxic, at best.
Bro I see the point you are trying to make but again I think you are confusing the issues. 'Average guys with average jobs'. shouldn't be about women, it should be about yourself. If you are happy with a 9-5 sales job Monday - Friday, that's fine. We just preach on here thats usually not the man using his full potential. We want men to be great for themselves, not to pickup women. Women are a byproduct of how great the man is.

Yet all things considered, obviously a pretty girl is going to be more attracted to person in the position of power than a fast food worker.
 

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Indeed, there is one level of indirection between resources and the confidence generating them provides.

Strippers are only attracted to 1% of their customers.
That's why it's best not to give them any money. You know they are laying down with you because they want to.
 

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That's why it's best not to give them any money. You know they are laying down with you because they want to.
You should never give money or buy drinks for girls who are off work.

When girls are at work, it is ok to give them enough for them to take a break. You're a timeshare husband at that point. At least you only pay for the time you use. That way she will always see her time with you as a net benefit (they call it Mutually Beneficial).

I just figured out I spend about 2.3% of my income on my girlfriend (I work 11 minutes a day for her). I keep 97.7% and can cancel any time. Would a wife work that deal? Would a wife be 25 years younger, sweet, unjaded, a 9+ and do anything I want?

Meanwhile, I improve her life by 10% (she gets one night off every 2 weeks on average). 10% (as with car horsepower or weight loss) is the threshold of being obvious. Thus, I make an obvious improvement in her life so she stays with me. Plus, it's cost effective by 434%.
 

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Internal dominance? That sounds like a gay cream pie porno.

King for yourself? This is the mantra of people who are happy with a crappy life. Women will not be turned on by that attitude. Ask me how I know. I was bankrupt at 32 and tried that idea. It failed. I needed to work harder. But saying down is up is what lazy men often do though. They try to say it's all relative. It is - it's relative to what women think of you.

You need to work your ass off. Millennial men are not good at this.

You need external dominance.

20 year old women whose photos rate 99%/100 are never bottom of the barrel. Nothing inspires a man more than a 20 year old beauty queen. 20 year old Caucasian women with no kids are SMV 99%. Not 1%. You guys think you can just declare good to be bad and hot to be cold. Wrong.

Women are valued based on their physical beauty. Men are valued for their resources.

Some of you have serious issues with this.

Women are not attracted to men. They are attracted to the resources those men provide. Get some resources.

http://www.fdrpodcasts.com/#/3571/the-ugly-truth-about-the-womens-march
20 yo mediocre looking strippers are bottom of the barrel. Even if they were a 9 and a stripper "model" they are still bottom of the barrel damaged goods.

if they were truly 9s in your eyes you wouldn't need random stranger polls to justify your own feelz about them....which were rated strictly off looks by basement dwellers with nothing better to do but rate chicks pics no less.
 
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It doesn't take much money to make me happy. My hobbies are inexpensive and I don't mind cooking my own food and eating the same things from week to week. I don't particularly care about traveling, driving a new car or wearing expensive clothes.

So tell me, why should I aspire to spend more and more of my time working at a job that I don't like?

I don't care if women like money. I have no intention of spending my finite life busting my ass so that some broad can have it easier. If she doesn't like my life choices, she's free to move on.

Granted, if I had a kid my mentality would be different.
 
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I just feel like it's sad that people are trying to convince men about "self improvement" for the sake of getting laid while women don't have to do the same thing. Sounds like too many men out there pedestalize women. PUA in general accentuates the notion that men are inferior, and have to bust their azz every day just to get a girl.

I'm not saying be lazy. I'm just saying stop attacking men who aren't top 1%. Like someone above said, if all guys were top 1%, there would be no top 1%.

Overall, I agree with zekko's philosophy 100%.
This is true, but you can't deny supply and demand.

Attractive women have more options. Women with more options will pick what they perceive as the better options. If you want to be among the better options you can't be average.

I agree with you that guys should not view themselves as inferior, but if we are talking about very attractive women then you just have to be realistic. You can't be some hobo on the street that smells like urine and think you can date a supermodel.
 

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@da dynamically That post was so fvcking true it almost brought tears to my eyes, beautiful.

The expectations are not raised only by women, men are as a group are poisoning themselves from within. Buying into the bullsh!t and spreading it among other guys. As was my earlier point, the bulk of guys will always be around average. Anything else is a statistical impossibility. There's enough pressures in the world, more will just make at least me more apathetic towards it.
 

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@da dynamically That post was so fvcking true it almost brought tears to my eyes, beautiful.

The expectations are not raised only by women, men are as a group are poisoning themselves from within. Buying into the bullsh!t and spreading it among other guys. As was my earlier point, the bulk of guys will always be around average. Anything else is a statistical impossibility. There's enough pressures in the world, more will just make at least me more apathetic towards it.
It serves those in control to have those controlled competing for favor. When men say "We can all become what women want by being X and doing Y!" some will "win", which is the lure that both keeps men playing womens' game for them and masks the fact that they are doing so. The problem is, males are designed to expend themselves for females in this way and your biology will make you feel strong urges to keep playing if you try to resist or quit. None of us is truly doing what we want, women are always a consideration in our behavior. I think the only cure for it is ironically women themselves, interacting with them to the point where your mind has experienced so much frustration and pain for so little reward from its dealings with them that it gets re-conditioned like touching a hot stove and dampens the urges.
 
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Working a 9-5 used to be a great proposition for men--due to societal constrictions that made women dependent on male resources and monogamy the overwhelming social norm, you could assure yourself a wife, a family, communal respect, etc. by putting your head down and doing what you were told. That's no longer the case.

The sexual marketplace has become a free market. Women vote with their eggs (or more than that, given modern contraception, their 'hypothetical' eggs) and they are not voting for providers or stability, at least not in their prime.

Why else would a man work a 9-5 unless it was to provide for a woman? Maybe it's work he really loves--and in that case, I say go for it. Maybe it's to support a lifestyle he really loves outside of work--and in that case, I say go for it. But usually it's neither. Usually a man settles in to a 9-5 because it's expected (caving to societal pressures), to get approval from his community (approval-seeking behavior/low self-worth), because he thinks he has to do it to get sexual access (low self-worth, misunderstanding of male/female dynamics), or because he's risk-avoidant. All of those are signifiers of weakness & low social status. Basically, it's a huge bargaining arrangement to trade you time & resources in negotiation for female desire.

The truth is, women in their primes don't want their desires negotiated for. They'd rather have a total deadbeat who's done absolutely nothing to qualify for her approval than a guy who's dedicated years of his life to shape himself into a 'suitable' partner that women should desire. They'd rather have an exciting broke guy than a stable, respectable cubicle drone.
Outstanding post. I wrote a 40 page essay on this topic, and you pretty much covered the premise in these 4 paragraphs.

The fact that we haven't adapted to this could explain the 30 year suicide high we are seeing now. You used to be able to trade your soul to a corporate devil and slave away the best years of your life, but it was a sure thing that you'd get a wife, kids, and McMansion for it. Now, guys are just trading their soul to a corporate devil, slaving away and most are get nothing for it.

Of course, it's hard to do something other than that life because nobody is actually going to teach you how to quit your job and learn to support yourself. There will be some (like on this forum) who will pound their chest and exclaim from the rooftops that they did it, but they will never share a blueprint on how, so they are virtually useless. Then there will be others who try to sell you a product (a self-help book) or some other get rich quick scheme, with a facade of humility in the tone, claiming to show you the "secrets", but it's all fluff and cliches.

Unless your parents or a mentor taught you how to make money from nothing, you're likely to be stuck in this expired life model. And that explain the 75-80% of American dissatisfaction with their jobs.
 

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It's great that you were on a successful path at a young age, but not everybody has everything figured out by age 8. Just because a 21 year old dude is on this forum working at an entry level job, that doesn't mean his future is set. He still has time to improve himself, and his position.

I've seen a lot of comments on the manosphere by bitter young men who think "Well, I can't be multimillion dollar CEO, so I'll just go on welfare and opt out of this society that wants to enslave me". Those people are a drain on resources.

Better that a guy works a regular job, at least he learns a work ethic that way. They aren't necessarily stuck there until the grave. Those people should be encouraged, not told that they're losers.

As for women, bartender is a profession that often gets talked about as being attractive to women. But most guys aren't going to get rich tending bar.
It's not that I had figured things out at 8; rather I knew I did not want to be/would not be average.

As stated, it's a pity for such young men with a world of potentiality to strive to be average. This does not mean you must financially succeed in your 20s. We are not looking at the actualized success. We are looking at motivations. If one does not want to be great, then he is not great, and thus incompatible with top-notch women.

@fastlife: what you say holds true for women 18-25. When you get into women in their late 20s/30s, security/money matters. The smarter ones in that age bracket are not looking for the ol' pump and dump by the hot poolboy.
 
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I think you already lose the game by default if you adapt what you like to do to suit womens' opinions.
You don't make your life better to get women... You do this because that is the best way to live life... the fact that women are attracted to this is serendipity.
 
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