"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Ask her to do something for me

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ok, quick intro. I was, and still, and AFC, working on the way out. This girl, in friend zone. Anyway, i just wanna try if this can work.

I am not feeling well so i din go for work today. So I plan to ask her to buy something for me to eat for dinner today, after her office hour. She would have to traffic jam all the way, and she dunno exactly where is my place. The lift here is also not working, so she might have to walk up the staircase. All this would generate frust I guess. Anyway, the reason i plan to do this is to see if she is just totally using me or she could actually do something for me. Also, to make her invest her time and energy on me. I will not do anything, not kino, nor showing any sexual indication but just ask her to buy me something to eat then just send her home. Because I dun wan her to put her guard up everytime she visit me, since this is the first time she visit my place.

Please kindly comment if this is actually AFC or the plan cant work, or anything need to change? Thank you.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I will not do anything, not kino, nor showing any sexual indication but just ask her to buy me something to eat then just send her home.

Forget that. You should try to lay the girl when you have the chance, not send her away for no reason. Making her do something is ok, but don't ask, tell. Then give it your best shot, make a move and try to have sex with her, or at least kiss her. Either she will or she won't, but if she rejects you, then you get a little better next time.
 

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ok, here's how it goes.

I text her. "If you drive today, pack me something to eat after work, like porriage. I m home. Thanks."

She replied "Ha? What are you talking about?" :trouble:

I then replied after 30 minutes, "Not feeling well. I will ask somebody else to pack me something to eat."

After 5 minutes, "I got someone to pack me something to eat. No need trouble you. Thanks anyway."

Ok, just sharing the experience. Dun repeat my mistake, i guess. Or better, someone can point out which part is going wrong and we can learn from it.
 

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That's WAY too much to ask from a girl that isn't your loving, caring gf, especially as a first favor.

Try asking her to pick up a quarter for you or something, jeebus.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Yeah, perhaps you are right. Thats why she suddenly 'what are you talking about?' I was trying to create little drama actually, am i misinterpret drama? Anyway, this is kinda too deep into friend zone, so ... you know what thats one-itis stuff ... :eek:
 

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Stop text-messaging her. That's what girlfriends do. Call her for 2-3 minutes to set up an in-person meeting, then get off the phone and don't talk to her until you meet.
 
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