"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Ask girl out on first phone call?

gimmeyofonenumba

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I cold approached this girl at school, her ride came and we didnt get to talk much but i got her number. We didnt build much rapport. Should i build more rapport in the phone call and then as her out later. Or just build more rapport in the call and ask her out at the same time?

-thanks.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Obsidian

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whatever you do, don't call her up and talk for more than about 3-4 minutes
 
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First of all, let's take it one step first. You call her first and you'll likely get her answering machine - thus, don't worry about it, just call and either leave a message and ask her out in the message, or continue calling until you able to reach her in person.

You'll be doing fine if you able to even contact her, let alone asking her out.
 

kdnash82

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the purpose of calling is to set up a date. you build rapport on the date. 9/10 she won't answer the phone and you'll be forced to leave a message. i get creative with this.

"hey Susie, this is kdnash! i met you at the so and so the other day. we were talking about so and so. give me a call at ###-727-#### when you get this so i can" *hang up before you finish*

she'll call back wondering what happened or to find out the rest of the story and you can set up a date
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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