PuertoRican_Lover
Banned
RedZone, do a search of all of my posts - this should suffice and give you all the answers to your questions!!
"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
ASF vs. Don Juan
- Thread starter RedZone122
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
B-Lemond
Master Don Juan
Definately need to bump this ****.
organizedconfusion
Master Don Juan
ASF seems to have more aggressive and direct way
to getting meeting girls & getting laid, quick.
they also seem to be more concerned with alpha/beta
type stuff.more extroverted and social based.
they are more concerned with sheer quantity and
outcome based.They get a kazzillion girls because
they approach soo many!! C'mon, you pick up a
girl at a bar/club, i doubt she thinks you're bringing
her home to see you "beer cap collection" or play Nintendo.
DJing seems to do more with romancing/seducing a paticular
girl over an extended ammount of time. i also may assume that
alot of Dj's are more introverted and more of a passive
approach to meeting woman and are more likly to
meet girls in regular social settings. Usually on coincidence
and without the useage of canned lines or techniques.
bookstores, grocery markest, pet shops etc.
the attraction starts in a more "naturalized" way, with
either a sexual or friendly context.
i am more this way then anything else and i'd much rather
be with one girl and completly fill her mind with my
image and long for my prosence when i am not around
then be with all sorts of girls i really have no interest in.
Personally i would'nt even want to be with a billion girls,
i'd much rather have 1 i really got along with and felt a connection with.
of course alot of PUA's would call that BETA behaviors and
thinking, but don't get it twisted. If my wife were to
get had by anyone of those guys i'd have to hang him out to
dry and i'd show him how a real man handles buisness.
it all comes down to your goals-
do you want to be with as many girls as you could possibly
be with as fast as possible?
or do you want a half a dozen of so, passionate/intense,
extended relationships over the course of your life?
picking up is about getting laid-plain and simple.
seduction is about making someone fall in love...
getting laid by as many different girls seems EGO based,
there is void in the EGO that needs to be filled.
Validation of masculinity and male sexual identity.
seduction seems to be motivated by filling the EMOTIONAL gap.
somewhere along the lines in life ,there was a strong
absense of LOVE and it triggered an intense void to be filled
WITH love, usually from a cold/distant mother-or a overbearing mother.eitherway it may have triggered sub-concious desires to
"control" her or "seduce" her love from her..okay , this is getting a lil hokey...enough Freudian shyte!
these are totally different styles ,one is direct and one is passive.
one is fast & furious and one is long and drawn out over an extended period of time.
one channel is full of really short and intense 30 minute sitcoms.
the other is a 6 hour epic masterpiece that comes along once in a great while but is worth the wait.
find out what your motives are
to getting meeting girls & getting laid, quick.
they also seem to be more concerned with alpha/beta
type stuff.more extroverted and social based.
they are more concerned with sheer quantity and
outcome based.They get a kazzillion girls because
they approach soo many!! C'mon, you pick up a
girl at a bar/club, i doubt she thinks you're bringing
her home to see you "beer cap collection" or play Nintendo.
DJing seems to do more with romancing/seducing a paticular
girl over an extended ammount of time. i also may assume that
alot of Dj's are more introverted and more of a passive
approach to meeting woman and are more likly to
meet girls in regular social settings. Usually on coincidence
and without the useage of canned lines or techniques.
bookstores, grocery markest, pet shops etc.
the attraction starts in a more "naturalized" way, with
either a sexual or friendly context.
i am more this way then anything else and i'd much rather
be with one girl and completly fill her mind with my
image and long for my prosence when i am not around
then be with all sorts of girls i really have no interest in.
Personally i would'nt even want to be with a billion girls,
i'd much rather have 1 i really got along with and felt a connection with.
of course alot of PUA's would call that BETA behaviors and
thinking, but don't get it twisted. If my wife were to
get had by anyone of those guys i'd have to hang him out to
dry and i'd show him how a real man handles buisness.
it all comes down to your goals-
do you want to be with as many girls as you could possibly
be with as fast as possible?
or do you want a half a dozen of so, passionate/intense,
extended relationships over the course of your life?
picking up is about getting laid-plain and simple.
seduction is about making someone fall in love...
getting laid by as many different girls seems EGO based,
there is void in the EGO that needs to be filled.
Validation of masculinity and male sexual identity.
seduction seems to be motivated by filling the EMOTIONAL gap.
somewhere along the lines in life ,there was a strong
absense of LOVE and it triggered an intense void to be filled
WITH love, usually from a cold/distant mother-or a overbearing mother.eitherway it may have triggered sub-concious desires to
"control" her or "seduce" her love from her..okay , this is getting a lil hokey...enough Freudian shyte!
these are totally different styles ,one is direct and one is passive.
one is fast & furious and one is long and drawn out over an extended period of time.
one channel is full of really short and intense 30 minute sitcoms.
the other is a 6 hour epic masterpiece that comes along once in a great while but is worth the wait.
find out what your motives are
I_Only_Live_Once
Senior Don Juan
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Organizedconfusion: although the tactics on ASF may be targetted towards short term lays, you can just slow it down can't you? Instead of pushing to seduce her, just take it at a slower pace if you want a relationship.
Exactly, I use it as a template. It can be called a "toolbox" where it is a set of resources at my disposal.Originally posted by So pimp its scary
I occasionnally use what could be considered SS patterns, and I've seen the transformations that using that speaking style can have on a woman... There is no way that it has been thoroughly discredited, the problem with SS is that you are using canned lines and scripts to evoke emotion in the woman your talking to.
Where I differ is that I'm not using scripts, but rather a 'template' that is used to make the scripts, this way it can be adapted to ANY situation.
Very true.Originally posted by wolfie
My point about being healthy wealthy and successful and still not being able to get women is addressed at one of the primary values of sosuave that too many people believe - the assumption that if you concentrate on these areas of your life, women will magically fall into your arms and you'll become a 'DJ'. So many people here think that ASF is therefore shallow and ineffective because it concentrates purely on relationships and getting the girl.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.