That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
No it doesn't. SS has been pretty much thoroughly discredited. Although admittedly a lot of the old SS students are ASF converts. SS is 100% theory, DJ is 75% theory, and ASF is 25% theory. NLP has also pretty much been sidelined, but not as maligned as Ross Jeffries' SS.
Thanks for proving my point.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Please. It's continually ridiculed on the mASF boards. Old "heavies" like Thundercat have thoroughly undertaken learning ASF skills. Because they used to be in SS, they are familiar with it and can educate someone on it, but it doesn't mean they actively promote, teach, or espouse SS.
I occasionnally use what could be considered SS patterns, and I've seen the transformations that using that speaking style can have on a woman... There is no way that it has been thoroughly discredited, the problem with SS is that you are using canned lines and scripts to evoke emotion in the woman your talking to.
I'd like to argue this point, but I'm afraid that for the most part... it is accurate.
This point is also accurate. The problem is that it's hard to tell how often people actually go out to mack, as FR's are usually pretty dull to read. Regardless, it would be beneficial to promote to our 'students' that the best learning comes from the field.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
I've been reading the posts there for years. Why don't YOU read the boards at ASF. People still post patterns and other SS info over there. Read Ross' posts while you are at it.
No s**t.
Some of Ross' posts educate people on it.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Yes... people post mainly field reports about how they actually went out and sarged. I don't see any SS there. Lots of canned stuff but no SS. Can you give me links to any FRs where people post about how they used patterns and SS to pick up women?
I don’t even see it that way. Self-improvement consists of three control loops: inner game (what you’re thinking), outer game (your habits), and what you actually perceive yourself as. Incongruency (outer game / how you are acting versus inner game / your insecurities) can really kill a prospective PUA. But by improving your outer game, you get this feedback loop of validation and improvement.
I will, but first I have to say that its laughable that you somehow felt it necessary to school us about this:
That was so embarrasingly basic that I am surprised anyone would post it.
.....Oh yeah, Riiiiight....... So, you are saying that Ross Jeffries doesn't use SS in his sarges....
Do you realize how insane that statement is??? C'mon dude, even people who don't like Ross would laugh at that.You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.