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It will be the most efficient use of your time.

And you will learn everything you need to know to become a huge success with women.

Thank you for visiting and have a great day!

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What I have learned is alot of what the message boy has stated.

1. it's very easy to point the finger but it's hard to look inwards and accecpt some ****.

2. women are not logical. just give it up.

3. never lower your standards

4. women can sniff true self confidence. it's stronger than any colonge you will ever find.

5. muscles help

6. any woman will cheat under the right circumstances.

7. Aas long as a woman is truely afraid of "losing you" I can leave my GF in a room with George Cloney, brad pitt and David Bechkam and throw a pack of condoms on the floor and sleep like a baby.

8. money does help.

9. size is overrated
 

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Harry, this shivt makes you not want to post anymore. You get called names for talking about what you have seen. I seriously think I'm dealing with people who have severe problems. I am beginning to think that people seriously get offended by other people's' lives. I don't understand how I became a loser, moron, idiot, slut fuvking, liking chicks who love drugs, controlling, insecure, something about a microwave, wife beater, and putting women on leashes as dogs. And alot more than that to come or was written. It's amazing. I even put this in the MATURE section. What is wrong with these people? You know what the scary thing is? Most women would agree with me when I say that a woman should stay home and raise the kids when they are so young.
 

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Oxide said:
Ok I'll play.


But I play with facts and large sample size - provide your real life examples, that are based on at least 10 women doing a specific thing you mentioned, and we can talk.

Here is my thesis statement: ALL hot women cheat. If she is not cheating on you, she is not hot.

In the past 8 months, I have decided to step up my game and go after only hot girls. Strangely enough, of the 20 hot girls whom I slept with...all 20 had boyfriends they didn't tell me about until the day after when I kept hearing something like "could you drive me home soon, my boyfriend keeps calling asking where I am". These women are from all walks of life: rich, poor, corporate, employee, stripper, partygirl, Phd, clinical psychologist, helicopter pilot, couch potato, teacher, fitness model etc... and their boyfriends are the type of guys you think they are. They are not chumps. They just realize that hot girls cheat and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

When str8up says things about perspective, I would choose to listen. I (like many who have sucked with women or still suck) once believed that "deep down, women just want the same things we men want..." That is complete Bullsh1t. News flash: Hot women are only with a guy if they get something out of it--if you truly have nothing that a woman wants, prepare to die alone.
 

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Duffdog said:
Here is my thesis statement: News flash: Hot women are only with a guy if they get something out of it--if you truly have nothing that a woman wants, prepare to die alone.

Amen. Or you will die with an okay looking or an ugly woman. And some are okay with that. Such is life.
 

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sodbuster said:
Well, I'm 50 years old and was chasing tail before alot of you guys came out of the place we all try to get back in. I'd agree with most of what trent said. I was married for 14 years[age 33],so I know more than alot of you will or do about how women think. I've had the golddiggers,party girls,etc. chasing me-I even had a girl I know turn stripper and invite me down to the club so she could show off her body to me[she wanted to date me awhile back,but I wasn't interested]. Dated ministers daughters who couldn't wear makeup or go to movies,dated the college homecoming queen[when it meant more than it does now]

Women cheat at work, women think irrationaly[had one of the best women I know say"men should get vasectomies without anesthetic to equalize the pain women go through during childbirth"], The 600k a year MD I know treats her house husband [raising the kids] like a dog[worse actually] IF you only look at the good side of women,you'll never see the dark side-and you sure as he11 better be looking for it so it doesn't bite you in the azz. Ministers daughter or porn star-doesn't matter.

Am I JADED? yes Do I hate women? no
See here's the big difference, you come off like you're experienced and have learned and accepted that women are just women, trent81 just comes off as a bitter chump. You can't control women trent, it's a waste of your time to try, all you can do is project your status and hope your woman is too scared of loosing you to let some other guy ram his **** into her,
 

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Trent, you have too many men here that have improved their understanding of basic game providing advice, but you dont have enough men who have improved their lives to the point where game becomes inconsequential.

Its a problem with ego. We accept women for what they are and love them regardless. AFC's create an idealized version of what they believe a woman should be! They then condemn women for being true to their nature while they seek out the impossible, all the while calling men with our views bitter misogynists because we are critical of a womans actions.

They can listen or they can carry on down their own path. Sex is based on competition at the end of the day. I try to offer a better product and wait for the customers to come to me. The AFC's on this forum will continue to hunt for that one special customer who will love their crappy packaging.

I wish them the best of luck. Just remember that fatties love McDonalds.
 

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sodbuster said:
Well, I'm 50 years old and was chasing tail before alot of you guys came out of the place we all try to get back in. I'd agree with most of what trent said. I was married for 14 years[age 33],so I know more than alot of you will or do about how women think. I've had the golddiggers,party girls,etc. chasing me-I even had a girl I know turn stripper and invite me down to the club so she could show off her body to me[she wanted to date me awhile back,but I wasn't interested]. Dated ministers daughters who couldn't wear makeup or go to movies,dated the college homecoming queen[when it meant more than it does now]

Women cheat at work, women think irrationaly[had one of the best women I know say"men should get vasectomies without anesthetic to equalize the pain women go through during childbirth"], The 600k a year MD I know treats her house husband [raising the kids] like a dog[worse actually] IF you only look at the good side of women,you'll never see the dark side-and you sure as he11 better be looking for it so it doesn't bite you in the azz. Ministers daughter or porn star-doesn't matter.

Am I JADED? yes Do I hate women? no
Respek. Yo, I don't ever wanna get married. I'll continue to rake dough, and live slow. I like not having anyone being able to view my bankroll. Women see $$ thousands of hard-earned cash and just jump/hump for joy. Before I was nothing in a lot of women's eyes. My looks show off mega $$, not what I wear, just my body language, confidence, strength, energy. They almost all immediately *think* ooooh wooow, he must be loaded. If they saw my meager apartment, paid-off little truck, void of any significant possessions short of my survival gear, they'd run, run, run in the other direction from me.

I have no proof of cash flow outwardly, other than my appearance or hot-as-fvck demeanor (in person). They almost All want to sex me. I experience it Every day.

Some super critical women, however, will pick pry sneak, suspect, infiltrate, snoop, forever doubt, that I could truly be the knockout saint I appear to be. There are a couple, who, no matter how impressive I display myself to be (in person) in front of them, will hate me (hate the light!), and seek to bring me down, almost like a reversal of the game, they neg me. They'll sigh, puff, shake their heads, just abject HATE for me, even though I haven't done nothing, or barely even know her.

The ONLY way to truly Grind a b!tch like that into the dirt with sorrow and grief, is to parade another or several other females in her presence. This is the killer. This will break her for you. I don't like to Use women for that purpose though, unless she wants me so bad that she's willing to do anything or go anywhere with me.
 
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LOL, this thread is about to be 10 pages long, I predict it. You know why? Because the conversation of the Mature Man Forum has turned from self-development on how I CAN BE A BETTER OVERALL PERSON to thus BE SUCCESSFUL in all areas of life, to a Forum where you BLAME your problems on "society" or "women."

It's a poor mentality, just like the poor guy that REMAINS poor throughout his life will blame "THE MAN," how is your guys' stance any different when it comes to women? If you are STILL having serious problems with locating quality women, it's YOUR FAULT not society's fault.


STR8UP says,

Men are so brainwashed today that they fall in line lock-step with feminists on this subject.

Guy who wants a more traditional wife = guy who wants to chain his wife to two kids and the microwave.

....What did women do with their lives the past oh, say 10,000 years that they generally WEREN'T working outside of the home? Was female infidelity as common back then? I would bet not.

This takes us right back to the toxic culture we live in and how bad it's fukked our society. To sum it up- feminism has all but destroyed the working model of the traditional family unit where gender roles are observed according to natural strengths and weaknesses.
STR8UP you are out of touch with reality. There's more women than men in our country and for the MOST PART, women have a difficult time finding guys to play the traditional roles of where she can sit on her ASS all day or clean the house, while he goes out and works like a slave for her.

Those days are over. OVER you hear me? Men for the most part are no longer doing that **** to women. Feminism didn't end that, what ended that is the fact that MEN stopped doing it and rightfully so. Why the hell can't SHE contribute more??

So women needed to learn to GET OFF THEIR ASS and do it for themselves. In other words, her tits and ass are no longer ENOUGH for her to survive, just her being a woman is no longer enough for her to feed herself. She needed to go out and provide for HERSELF instead of waiting for a man to come along and do it for her.

DUH. What world do you guys live in? Is it this world?

The traditional family **** is over.

But that doesn't mean the unit of "family" is over. Family has just evolved from having ONE provider or breadwinner in the house to multiple breadwinners whether it's the man and the woman, or sometimes the man, the woman, and the kids.

What I'm talking about is common ****ing sense lol, this is how I KNOW you guys talk out of your ass when you make these posts! Ideology after ideology(or what I like to call insecure keyboard jockeys), with no RELATION to REALITY.

Duffdog says,

Here is my thesis statement: ALL hot women cheat. If she is not cheating on you, she is not hot.
This is just plain stupid and stereotyping. It shows YOUR problems not women's. Total insecurity, it's a wonder why you don't roll up the windows, lock the doors, and handcuff your woman to the stirling wheel when you hop out the car to pump gas.

Hooligan Harry says,

This is the reason why this board has gone downhill. Men are now being shamed for being critical of women. Being critical does not automatically mean you are being defensive and for some reason that it is the view many a mangina is starting to take.
You can call common sense the term "mangina" or "pvssy-whipped" or WHATEVER, the bottom line is your agruments and stances are dumb, dont' reflect reality, and when someone calls YOU out or is critical to YOU based on your dumb ass agruments lol, that doesn't mean they are manginas.

And for the record, you are NOT being critical of women. Hell everybody has problems and it's NOTHING wrong with bringing those to the surface to address, that's called being critical.

You are CATERGORIZING and STEREOTYPING women based upon YOUR internal insecure bull****! You are throwing out statements such as "American women svck," "women are cheaters," "women are low quality," "women need to go back to the kitchen."

Those phrases and stances are NOT called being critical, they are ideology based bull**** that YOU feel and believe, basically your "religion." Okay, I DISAGREE with what the hell you feel and your "religion."

I said it before but if your mother read your posts I bet she would backslap you.

Maybe if you have been having all of these bad experiences with women to where you have to come to conclusions that "American women svck," (he's talking about 200 million women by the way), maybe the issue is that YOU just svck Harry? Maybe you are AFC and don't know it.

I mean you did mention in a prior post about how only RICH guys can get girls, well ANY GUY that thinks like that OBVIOUSLY gets rejected alot and hasn't got a CLUE as to just WHAT THE **** it takes to attract women. If you are STILL talking about, "I need to be rich," or "I need to look like Brad Pitt" to get girls, you are STILL AN AFC!! Women are not the problem it's YOU. Go back and read DJ Bible 101: The Intro lol.
 

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The Message Boy said:
The traditional family **** is over.

But that doesn't mean the unit of "family" is over. Family has just evolved from having ONE provider or breadwinner in the house to multiple breadwinners whether it's the man and the woman, or sometimes the man, the woman, and the kids.

What I'm talking about is common ****ing sense lol, this is how I KNOW you guys talk out of your ass when you make these posts! Ideology after ideology(or what I like to call insecure keyboard jockeys), with no RELATION to REALITY.
The more you post, the more I realise what an absolute asshat you are. Im not quite sure if the constant "LOL" or the fact that you dont actually seem to take the time to read through and digest anything.

The traditional family unit is dead? Where in the name of FVCK as ANYONE said anything that was contrary to that point? We know its dying and its dying because morons like you seem to think that there is something wrong with that model.

You would think a frikken 50% divorce rate (fact) of which women file for 70% of those divorces (fact), would be enough to make you think that its not worth proclaiming the bleeding obvious. Am I a bitter fool for repeating those stats now?

The difference is that I dont want to live in a society with a 50% divorce rate and I dont want to live in a society where single parent homes churn out welfare collecting thugs at a rate of knots. I will also not be shamed by scumbags like you into thinking that this is normal and that gender roles are fvcking evil.

You are a sad little specimen who displays a level of ignorance so extreme I wonder if its even possible to help you. You make me sick to my stomach.

The Message Boy said:
I will go into a long thing about how she really doesn't "like me or want me" (despite the fact that she would call all the time, we ****ed before, she's there, all of that). I would go into how she only really likes THUGS and DRUG DEALERS and I don't do that so she doesn't really like me.

Then I start having thoughts about killing women. Seriously.
Then I start having thoughts about suicide. Seriously.
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1615154&postcount=3

Please. Explain to me how someone who clearly does not have his **** together is in ANY position to offer advice? You are in no position to pass judgment at the moment mate
 
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Hooligan Harry says,

The traditional family unit is dead? Where in the name of FVCK as ANYONE said anything that was contrary to that point? We know its dying and its dying because morons like you seem to think that there is something wrong with that model.

You would think a frikken 50% divorce rate (fact) of which women file for 70% of those divorces (fact), would be enough to make you think that its not worth proclaiming the bleeding obvious. Am I a bitter fool for repeating those stats now?
This is how stupid you are Harry lol. You missed the entire POINT of my response and YOU are the one that doesn't read responses.

The traditional family unit is over NOT because of feminism or because of Beta Males.

The traditional family unit is over because it's no longer sustainable.

How many men do women have easily assessible that will allow her to retire and be a stay at home wife? How many men can AFFORD that? NOT MANY.

As a result women as a whole or the majority, have no other choice but to take more active roles for providing for themselves and the household. In other words, she needs to get a job/career/become an investor, etc AS WELL AS the man.

I'm not saying that the traditional roles were bad or good, I'm saying they are over because of this fact.

Hooligan Harry says,

Please. Explain to me how someone who clearly does not have his **** together is in ANY position to offer advice? You are in no position to pass judgment at the moment mate
I will tell you like I told Jitterbug lol (who I was owning in another debate) that yes, I am still battling issues from my childhood. THAT does not all of a sudden MAKE YOUR AGRUMENTS accurate or mines NOT VALID.

Your stances are still wrong Harry, and since I guess the fact that I am still dealing with issues from my past DISQUALIFIES me the right to point out how WRONG YOU ARE, you can take the replies from other guys in this thread who have also called you out on your bull****.

P.S., I never posted any type of ADVICE. It's you, and Trent, and STR8UP that post your patriarchal-based ideologies and advice to guys, worshipping the GOOD OL' DAYS and threatening them with scare tactics that if they don't GO BACK to the good ol' traditional models we are all doomed. You guys do not realize that the current economic standards and demands requires TWO PROVIDERS in the household these days and not just ONE. Meaning, the woman HAS TO WORK and get off her ass. You don't like that? Tough.

And you keep throwing around the divorce rates to try and support your "American women svck" agruments.

Marriage has evolved from the older days as well. Back in the day, it was harder to get out of marriages if you didn't like them, plus women actually NEEDED a male provider for the most part. THOSE DAYS ARE OVER.

If the relationship is going south, you can GET THE **** OUT OF IT. YOU, Harry, might call the person filing for the divorce immoral but if they no longer want to be in the relationship they don't have to.

And the one-sided point of view is ashame, it's as if MEN never file for divorce. The way Harry types, it will make you think MEN are very, very, trustworthy and would NEVER file for a divorce and ALWAYS try to work things out.

How out of touch with REALITY you are Harry.
 

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You guys need to chill a little.

Both sides have merit.

But one thing that needs to be mentioned again is a common dominator -- you –

As squirrels said – its more or less down to you.

I am a big believer In that.

The more you understand the mating dynamic, the more you understand women – Good or Bad, both have equal merits, the more your able to avoid, handle or see problems in a relationship, regardless of the environment.

Having a negative view of women, is perfectly in check – simply because guys need to see the bad side, to know what to look out for, to know what to see and to know what to avoid.

If you don’t want your women to work, fine – that’s perfectly ok.

But I need to say this too – The more you become, the more you understand the mating dynamic, the greater you understand women, the environment she is in wont matter – of course there is always the potential she could cheat e.t.c – But when you develop Zen like skills and a deeper understanding of women through knowing the good and the bad – You know in your core, you will be able to spot that ****, like stripes on a zebra.


You see to become truly knowledgeable, you need to know the warts and all.

Now I currently date a girl who works, loves sex and the city – A girl my training and understanding of women, would tell me to run a mile.

But this girl is a giver, she is a great person, can cook, cleans, does not argue, worships the ground I walk on.

But I know 100% if my game was not as sharp has it is now, this girl (like any other) could be straying or thinking of the next branch.

And this is the point and the crux of my post!

The better you become at this game - the more you understand women (warts and all), the greater understanding you develop, which all comes together to give you a zen like understanding of the situation.

It can almost be described as a sort of six sense ability, you can predict the outcome and act accordingly – now this should not be taken has trying to do A for her B – This is about knowing the dynamics of dating and how women tick and doing the right thing at the time to handle that situation.

For example – If your girl goes out on a night out – An AFC would show signs of 'abandonment, fear and Betrayal , or feel his relationship could be threatened.

A true Alpha would say “have a good night” and mean it, because he knows, if there is any sign of infidelity she will be replaced – So ****y in his knowledge of replacing the girl, so confident – It sucks the girl in even more.

The first example – Will help to push a women away, lowering ones personal status and personal power – The other oozes confidence which women (from my years of knowledge) sucks them in.

Women love a dominant type of guy, who knows he has options – A guy who operates on the presumption of abundance - he can create more options for himself, which is applied to dating and relationships – He knows no matter, he can date girls and, many girls. Can pick and choose accordingly, hence his GF (currently) have to slot into 'his' criteria of desires. Potential problems, threats, ultimatums are not part of his repertoire, he does not need to control a women, instead he acts according to her ‘character’. But one must remember that female character, to the uninitiated (warts and all) can go under the radar of the AFC, hence a guy with options, with the abundance, i.e knowledge, can pretty much handle any situation his women is in, without fear – simply acting accordingly with understanding and zen like training.

A guy with a scarcity mentality, will try to control, to limit his women’s movements – acting on fear, fear of losing the women, because deep down he feels he can’t replace her or, he has placed the women on a pedestal, and feels some romanticised notion that the women can’t be replaced or there won’t be another one like her. The advice I can give for this, is to sleep with many women and often, if possible – Soon you will understand that even the princess is just another one of many and many and many – But this comes back to the problem of sleeping with many, a guy with scarcity will be operating from inexperience and ignorance about the mating dynamic and won’t know how to create attraction in women or create options in that regard.


Though each point and argument have merit, we need to also Factor in the raw power of the MAN and I mean 'male' raw powerful energy.

There are guys who sit at home all day, who don’t work, dating hot girls – This is true and can’t be denied – The question then should be; What is he doing ‘right’ – Rather then what is she doing ‘wrong’.

There are also guys who date successful business chicks, surrounded by Alpha power young studs, who don’t cheat – The question should be; what is the husband doing ‘right’ – rather then what is the women doing ‘wrong’.

But you can’t understand what to do ‘right’ unless you’re aware of the ‘wrong’

The only advice I can give – Is to have a confident, abundant mindset, lead your women in most interactions – be decisive, become a rock for your women to lean on – Do not pour out your problems and feelings to your women, instead allow her to open herself to you – Become a rock for her fleeting shifting emotions. Be a leader in what you do, don’t let a situation control you – If confronted with something uncomfortable, think it through logically – This is one of the greatest gifts of being male – the ability to rationalise (which can be swallowed up by the female psyche (can’t see the wood for the trees) – Learn about women, the good and the bad – No matter where it takes you, absorb it, learn it – It is more understanding to see what to look for and what to look out for.

Dont be needy, don't be controlling (she will resent you eventually) - Give her her own freedom and have yours too - See it has giving her a long rope, let her show you her true character, not chain it up for it to come back and bite you on the ass then be surprised at your womens integrety and character.

Yes we live in a different age - Men need to become so much more - They cant rely on social norms - But they can rely on the raw power of being male - And in this world, I see a lot of boys who think they are men, use this knowledge accordingly - Thats the reason your here, remember that.

One thing I will say to finish this – Because of looking to far into the pit of what women do on a negative level – I went there for a while many years ago – though I wouldn’t change a thing on what I discovered, I would have preferred to at the time see more of a positive – Those times, dwelling in the negative can be as crippling to your potential to enjoy the opposite sex, has dating a Bipolar.

Understand women, but understand yourself more! – Learn and become and then you will see no matter the environment, your able to shift through that shi* like a hot knife through butter.
 
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Hooligan Harry said:
Its a problem with ego. We accept women for what they are and love them regardless. AFC's create an idealized version of what they believe a woman should be! They then condemn women for being true to their nature while they seek out the impossible, all the while calling men with our views bitter misogynists because we are critical of a womans actions.
Truth.

The Message Boy said:
LOL, this thread is about to be 10 pages long, I predict it. You know why? Because the conversation of the Mature Man Forum has turned from self-development on how I CAN BE A BETTER OVERALL PERSON to thus BE SUCCESSFUL in all areas of life, to a Forum where you BLAME your problems on "society" or "women."
Truth.

Hooligan Harry said:
The more you post, the more I realise what an absolute asshat you are.
Truth.

The Message Boy said:
This is how stupid you are Harry lol.
Truth.

I'd be curious as to what some of you call "attractive women". Likely, what you're talking about is dolled up stripper-style women, the kind you see on the cover of magazines and serving drinks at nightclubs, or on stage taking their clothes off for money.

Yes, those kinds of girls will definitely respond to you more if you have a lot of money or can offer them a steady supply of something like drugs. That's the kind of life they live.

But then they also live a life where everything from their looks to their personality is objectified and packaged up into a good for sale to the highest bidder. In which case, money, and other commodities in demand by that demographic (drugs), are the deciding factors. What that does to a person is a complete turn-off for me. Like I said, if I wanted to spend my hard-earned money on a sex-object, I'd buy a hooker. You guys want to DATE and/or MARRY these women, and then lock them away from the world to keep them from doing what comes naturally? Like keeping a wild animal caged and trying to pretend that it's domesticated...eventually you'll learn.

But then, to each his own. If these social sex-objects is what you're after, then you're all absolutely correct, the rich guy with coke connections is going to win out most, if not all, of the time over other chumps that can only offer the girl one night at a time.

As long as you're cool with being a "long-term customer", rather than a companion. And that is why she will cheat...while you are providing her with "the business" of a relationship, she is still all alone and dissatisfied. Her style of life has dumbed her down to where she can't recognize that feeling, but it still exists and it haunts her soul every waking moment of her life.

That's why Trent and the rest of you guys are right...she's almost GUARANTEED to cheat on you...with a guy like me. Because, as I said from the beginning, your money to her is no different than a "normal schmuck's job" is to you...it supplies one need but chains you away from another. She'll always hate you just as much as she loves you.

Don't worry...she'll always come back to you. Like most of society, she's a slave to her job. Her job is YOU. The "Don Juans" of the world will just give her the thrill of belonging to SOMEBODY, one night at a time.

That's an interesting relationship. I personally don't want any part of it, though. You can HAVE it.
 

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what the hell are you people talking about? Are straight up, me and harry on some sort of a homosexual island here? Are you guys nuts? Stop over analyzing my feelings and experiences. Go out and do your thing, I could give a rat's ass about your life. I just posted my experiences on here. Why the hell are you people babbling about some stupid shivt? Did I rub your ****s the wrong way? Go let your woman work, go do whatever the fuvk you want. I DON'T CARE. You guys have serious problems. Fuvking freaks.
 

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Donjuandicarlo said:
maybe the common denominator is the cultural aspect.

For instance in india the divorce rate (2002) is 1.1
America same year :45.8

Sweden:54.9..... i dunno what' s going on there

Look 45.8>1.1

that' s a huge difference, right ? There is a huge difference between life in india and america..... there is a link
This social, environmental, economic aspect impacts on mentalities....especially on women cose they are " mind flexible" they just follow and adapt to the envirnment easily.

the "environment "plays a big part.

Now, I do agree that the relationship is the responsability of the guy whether the girl is a psycho or not ( always red flags)

Sweden is infested with feminism - Shame! The girls are hot!

It's good to be aware of the Environment one decides to play in.
 

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The Message Boy said:
STR8UP you are out of touch with reality. There's more women than men in our country and for the MOST PART, women have a difficult time finding guys to play the traditional roles of where she can sit on her ASS all day or clean the house, while he goes out and works like a slave for her.

The flaw with your argument is that you are intending to say that there are more attractive women than there are men...right? THAT is not true. 20% of US women and men are classified as obese. There is indeed a shortage of super hot women here in the US. Because of that shortage, these chics know that they can have anyone, anywhere simply because of how they look. It is the same story with men, most men aren't extremely attractive. The few who are can have anyones girlfriend whenever they want. How do I know this? I lived that life in the past...I am working toward living it again because I miss it so much. Based on your desire to cling to some higher moral compass, you have not lived that life. Therefore, your conclusions about women come from a subordinate lifestyle due to your lack of perspective. I can't fault you for it, as you never had the opportunity to experience it.


This is just plain stupid and stereotyping. It shows YOUR problems not women's. Total insecurity, it's a wonder why you don't roll up the windows, lock the doors, and handcuff your woman to the stirling wheel when you hop out the car to pump gas.

Well, sure, it is stereotyping. When I was young and naive I used to think that stereotypes were bad because thats what they told me in middle school. Fortunately, as we males age, we come to realize that the only reason stereotypes exist is because there is some truth to them, as much as its not PC to say something like that. Of course, since you don't have any experience actually being the super hot guy who gets to fvck the girlfriends of guys like you...I would expect that you would defend this position of blissful ignorance to the bitter end. After all, what normal, moral guy would admit that his girlfriend most likely cheats on him with someone she could never have. I have no desire to chain any girl to the "stirling" wheel because I am aware of the true nature of females and don't fault them for it. When I was a super hot guy, none of my girlfriends cheated on me because they had trouble finding someone better than me...I knew this because I gave them a free pass to do so and warned them that if they started down that road, I would partake as well. Fortunately, I was higher on the food chain, so they were scared that I would simply pick a better looking girl than they were and dump them.


You can call common sense the term "mangina" or "pvssy-whipped" or WHATEVER, the bottom line is your agruments and stances are dumb, dont' reflect reality, and when someone calls YOU out or is critical to YOU based on your dumb ass agruments lol, that doesn't mean they are manginas.

And for the record, you are NOT being critical of women. Hell everybody has problems and it's NOTHING wrong with bringing those to the surface to address, that's called being critical.

You are CATERGORIZING and STEREOTYPING women based upon YOUR internal insecure bull****! You are throwing out statements such as "American women svck," "women are cheaters," "women are low quality," "women need to go back to the kitchen."

Those phrases and stances are NOT called being critical, they are ideology based bull**** that YOU feel and believe, basically your "religion." Okay, I DISAGREE with what the hell you feel and your "religion."

I said it before but if your mother read your posts I bet she would backslap you.

Maybe if you have been having all of these bad experiences with women to where you have to come to conclusions that "American women svck," (he's talking about 200 million women by the way), maybe the issue is that YOU just svck Harry? Maybe you are AFC and don't know it.


rant,rant,rant,rant... what's going to happen when you finally figure out that he was right? Will you start crying when you find out that women are attracted only to the top 10% of men and you are not it? The next thing you will cry about is how hot women will cheat on whomever they can cheat on. Will you kill yourself when you finally accept the truth? I hope not. I hope that you will come to terms with how women are and just accept it. Its their job to ensure the survival of the species, not to be moral. Survival often disagrees with morality and the desires of the weak.



I mean you did mention in a prior post about how only RICH guys can get girls, well ANY GUY that thinks like that OBVIOUSLY gets rejected alot and hasn't got a CLUE as to just WHAT THE **** it takes to attract women.

Not women...HOT women. HUGE difference!! I am surprised that you cannot see a distinction between the average girl that any average guy can have and a girl that EVERY guy wants, but only the top 10% of guys can actually have. You want an average girl? Go out with me one night and I will get you as many as you want, how many can you fit in your car?...no joke. But you and I both know that inside you will lust after the perfect 10 that every other guy around you is lusting after.

If you are STILL talking about, "I need to be rich," or "I need to look like Brad Pitt" to get girls, you are STILL AN AFC!! Women are not the problem it's YOU. Go back and read DJ Bible 101: The Intro lol.

The DJ bible is great for "getting chics", but "keeping" those same girls is an altogether different subject which the OP has a very good grasp on.
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trent81 said:
Are me and harry on some sort of a homosexual island here?
I removed STR8UP because he and I have hung out in real life and I know he pulls hot tail.

It appears you and Harry have found each other though! Congratulations! Perhaps you two can spar over which Star Trek episode is best to mutually jack off to?

Trent's "real life" experiences smell vaguely of sh!t. After a while it get's so you don't mind it.

Harry, you used to say insightful things now and again but since you've fallen into the "my online ego is bigger than my real life congruence" mentality, you pick sides with only other posters who agree with what you say.

Branch out and appreciate every different perspective. I call out bullsh!t when my experience sees it. Help a brother in the world outside your door and you'll realize what I'm talking about.
 

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Im still waiting for am answer to the post I made where I substantiated some of Trents views Karma. No one has argued the stats or surveys I posted all they have done is only label people further. Clearly you have an issue with Trent. Lets not let that get the better of you please. There is some truth to what he says no matter how much you are prepared to acknowledge that.

I try to remain objective here but it becomes clearer by the day that this forum has become a waste of time. People dont want to discuss anything qnd they are not open to a difference in opinion. They are here looking for validation half the time the other half looking for confirmation that the current view that have is in some way correct.

Perhaps its just me who has outgrown this place.

4,200 posts in I would expect a little more insight from you though. Clearly, the jibe about Trents experiences being a little closer to reality than yours seemed to get to you a tad.
 

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STR8UP said:
What did women do with their lives the past oh, say 10,000 years that they generally WEREN'T working outside of the home? Was female infidelity as common back then? I would bet not.

This takes us right back to the toxic culture we live in and how bad it's fukked our society. Women today only feel "bored" because they are sold the fairy tale that trying to climb the corporate ladder (trying to be a man) is so much better than taking care of a household. It's a scourge to society and a big part of the reason why we are all posting on this board.

Your comment about "something to fall back on" is telling. Now that women don't have to depend upon men for financial support, women have lost a lot of incentive to cooperate with men.

To sum it up- feminism has all but destroyed the working model of the traditional family unit where gender roles are observed according to natural strengths and weaknesses. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, but I would take my chances with a woman who wants to keep a home as opposed to one who wants to kill the world ANY day.

We live in a female/alpha male utopia. Beta males get the short end of the stick. Believe it or not, it's true.
Well, up until the last 75 years or so being a wife/homemaker was truly a full-time job. There were no washing machines, supermarkets, frozen dinners, Blackberries, or any of the modern conveniences that make daily chores more efficient. Women cleaned the game, prepared all the meals, washed all the clothes, took care of the children, did the daily chores, fed the animals, etc. Not to say mothers today have it easy, but for the last 10,000 years if a woman just sat around idly she'd get the boot.

I agree that the ripples of a quarter-century of feminism have seriously damaged the natural balance of men and women. They are told they can and should do everything a man does (only "better"), then they get it, are smug and condescending towards men for a time, then one day they wake up 36 years old and realize that having all the things that men have entails RESPONSIBILITY, and it sucks. So they find themselves just wanting for a baby and someone to take care of them...the same thing all women have wanted through the ages.
 
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Duffdog says,

The flaw with your argument is that you are intending to say that there are more attractive women than there are men...right? THAT is not true. 20% of US women and men are classified as obese. There is indeed a shortage of super hot women here in the US. Because of that shortage, these chics ....yadda, yadda, yadda....

First off, you are talking about something TOTALLY different than what I said, which makes me wonder your level of reading comprehension. I said that women today have a tougher time locating a man to take full care of them while she basically plays the traditional stay at home role. It was in response to what Str8up said earlier, who btw, I think should spend the remaining portions of his 7,000 posts talking about financial related topics instead of this bull****.

In regards to what YOU just said lol, dude. You mentioned the term "super hot women" well "super hot" is in the eyes of the beholder. I think that Alicia Keys is "super hot" but there's many guys I've spoken to that don't think she's so hot.

So for you to talk about a "shortage" of super hot women, you are literally talking about YOUR DEFINITION of what "super hot" is and most likely we have two totally different perspectives on the situation.

With that said, it makes no sense to even respond to the rest of what you said up there. What a character.


Duffdog says,

Well, sure, it is stereotyping. When I was young and naive I used to think that stereotypes were bad because thats what they told me in middle school. Fortunately, as we males age, we come to realize that the only reason stereotypes exist is because there is some truth to them, as much as its not PC to say something like that.
There's TRUTH in alot of things, that doesn't make the concept accurate though. For example, there's failures in business, that's a truth. But to then STEREOTYPE all new business owners that they are going to "fail" would not be accurate, yet, people do it ALL THE TIME.

The problem with this debate is the guys that continue on the "American women svck" train, are doing so based NOT ON WOMEN but based mostly on their insecurities.

The biggest AFC in the world is NOT the guy that's afraid to approach the girl he desires, the biggest AFC is the guy that RATIONALIZES away his desire for women due to some FEAR OF REJECTION OR FEAR OF HURT/ABANDONMENT. That's EXACTLY what the hell you guys are doing when you go off on your "American women svck/are low quality" rants, you are attempting to appear tough but you are really scared **** that the very thing you desire SO MUCH will bite you in the ass.

It's okay guys, it's just a woman.

Duffdog says,

Of course, since you don't have any experience actually being the super hot guy who gets to fvck the girlfriends of guys like you...I would expect that you would defend this position of blissful ignorance to the bitter end.
Dude I thought you've said some DUMB things in the past, but this right here isn't dumb, it's actually quite queer. IF you have the ability to judge the "hotness" on a guy and go around judging how "super hot" guys are, I think you seriously are on the wrong forum. Try So Suave For Queers.


Duffdog says,

When I was a super hot guy, none of my girlfriends cheated on me because they had trouble finding someone better than me

I don't understand. How can you say this when earlier you said:


Duffdog says,

Here is my thesis statement: ALL hot women cheat. If she is not cheating on you, she is not hot.

So which is it? Lol, you just contradicted yourself like hell! Which is no surprise since most of what you say just flows straight out of your ass. Duffdog, just tell the truth, you have NO IDEA what you are talking about do you? LMAO.

Duffdog says,

rant,rant,rant,rant... what's going to happen when you finally figure out that he was right?
What that women are all out to get me? Ohh idk Duffdog lol, maybe I will join the "Man Against Women" march and just march in the streets protesting how WRONG women have done me. Maybe I'll wear "American Women Svck" T-shirts all the time. Maybe I'll be like you and Harry, and make post after post on how American Women Svck.

You have got to be kidding me. The **** that guy was saying came straight out of his insecure ass FEARS, so in other words, HE WILL NEVER be right.

Duffdog says,

Will you start crying when you find out that women are attracted only to the top 10% of men and you are not it?
Ha! Yeah I'm crying right now, oh how I wish I was in the top 10% of men!! How I wish I was Bill Gates because according to DUFFDOG, that's the ONLY way I could EVER be successful with women!

Anybody know how I can create the next Microsoft so I can get girls :rolleyes:

Duffdog says,

Not women...HOT women. HUGE difference!! I am surprised that you cannot see a distinction between the average girl that any average guy can have and a girl that EVERY guy wants, but only the top 10% of guys can actually have.

No you dumbass because like I said "super hot" is in the eyes of the beholder. Super hot to you MOST LIKELY is not super hot to me and vice versa.

Sometimes debating with you guys feels like I'm back middle school smh. The lack of common sense around here is awesome.
 
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