KneghtRyder
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or do women still hold out for 3 to 4 dates before putting out....
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
are most of you getting laid on the first date itself ?
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Fenderules
Master Don Juan
yeah im curious 2, cause of my frustrations
penkitten
Master Don Juan
you see this is where things get tricky, trying to explain the hold out plan to guys.
as chicks, we are taught to try to hold out to date number 3.
why? so we arent seen as hors.
do we always stick to it? no.
sometimes its faster than that, and its either because we really really want you, or we just dont care if we ever see you again.
however, if you are dating a chick thats a virgin, shes probally not going to be giving it up to you by the third date.
but if you are dating a chick that has been around, if you dont get it by date number three, you proablly aint gonna get it. EVER.
but that is just my two cents...
as chicks, we are taught to try to hold out to date number 3.
why? so we arent seen as hors.
do we always stick to it? no.
sometimes its faster than that, and its either because we really really want you, or we just dont care if we ever see you again.
however, if you are dating a chick thats a virgin, shes probally not going to be giving it up to you by the third date.
but if you are dating a chick that has been around, if you dont get it by date number three, you proablly aint gonna get it. EVER.
but that is just my two cents...
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Guys, slow your roll and take a cold shower. Your eagerness could be the very thing that's holding you back.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
penkitten
Master Don Juan
yes dude, some of us are chicks on here.Vypros said:
penkitten...actually pleasant to hear a women's perspective. As a guy I'm thrilled to get it on the 1st date , but also in the back of my mind wondering "how many other guys nailed her on the 1st date too"?
I've waited even longer than 3 dates for some action depending on the nature of the 1st 2 dates. You should see an accelleration of body contact date by date. The old 1st base, 2nd base theory.
However, if your not getting severe body contact by date 4 (make out, groping, some sort of clothes removal) then something is off. Bail
I've waited even longer than 3 dates for some action depending on the nature of the 1st 2 dates. You should see an accelleration of body contact date by date. The old 1st base, 2nd base theory.
However, if your not getting severe body contact by date 4 (make out, groping, some sort of clothes removal) then something is off. Bail
Fenderules
Master Don Juan
yeah my eagerness totally ruined it
penkitten
Master Don Juan
in the back of our minds, we know you are wondering this, so we plan to answer with the number four if you ever ask. :crackup:ozzfest said:
at some point, we try to sort out the respectable guys, and not give it up to them on the first date, because most of them disappear if you give it up too soon.
however, if i didnt give it up by date three, they were just my friend.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Ummm, because they don't have penis'....Vypros said:
So, what you are saying is that you use sex as a form of control over guys?penkitten said:
I've heard this viewpoint from other girls before and it boggles my mind that a girl will be more likely to sleep with someone she DOESN'T like on the first date and make the men she DOES like wait a while for sex.
Sit back and look at what I just said and ask yourself what the hell you are thinking?
penkitten
Master Don Juan
yes we do. we always have and we always will. (do a search and you will see countless threads containing this information posted by all kinds of men.)Vypros said:
yes thats what i said and meant.
we "feel" and do what we feel is right at the moment. if we had time to sit down and think things thru, this is logical to us. a fling will come and go, but a good guy will stick around. these are the kinds of things that we are taught and experienced at least once, that makes us continue to think this way.
Vypros, I am not a woman, but that is exactly right what you said. Some women that like you will not give it up on the first date so you won't disappear. But, some women that don't even like you, will give it up because that's all they see that guy as is a way to get a nut. Women are more and more like men nowadays, and you have to adapt to this lifestyle.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
i can see that logic. WOmen also know when they are going to get laid...and if things aren't perfect they won't give it up either. That time of the month,..didn't shave their legs...something just not quite right that night.
As guys we don't ever worry about this kind of stuff....anytime, anywhere
As guys we don't ever worry about this kind of stuff....anytime, anywhere
Yeah, I know that's what they do, I'm just looking for some logical reasoning behind it.ryannath said:
The simple fact is: If a guy likes you HE IS GOING TO STAY WITH YOU WHETHER YOU GIVE IT UP ON DATE 1 OR DATE 29.
So making a guy wait for it is kind of pointless. A guy who is going to hit it and disappear is going to hit it and disappear whether he gets it on date 1 or date 9.
More women need to realize this.
penkitten
Master Don Juan
yes but if the guy is going to hit it and disappear, we would rather him do it sooner than later.Vypros said:
in fact, we are all kinda different at "the make him wait plan"
some of us are alot faster than others.
Gangster Of Love
Master Don Juan
Once you have developed into the IDEAL MAN that she's been waiting to meet, and who she finds herself jumping through hoops, as opposed to the man who she constantly has to resist because he's just trying very hard, 1st date hookups will not be a rarity for you guys. Believe it or not, if you are doing all the right things, you will consitently bed most women in about 7-12 hours, as Mystery has stated in his material.
Women have all these "rules" about when they should put out, and when not; yet they seem to have different kinds of rules for the type of guy that gives them that deep, instant, physical, & chemical attraction. With this type of guy, she starts feeling so attracted, and the fear of loss is greater than the fear of how she will come out looking, that she will ignore what society tells her she should do, and will be very open to getting intimate, fast.
Once you are good with women, she will bypass the "3 date rule" and be open to anything. This will only happen after she has tested you, which means she will test you hard and early, within the first few hours she meets/talks to you, because she is also eager to move things along with you. She will "be ready" for you once you have proven worthy, at least by her standards.
Once she has gone to bed with you, then she will most likely pull out one of her rationalizations out of her bag of tricks, to make sure you don't think she's "easy", or that she "does this with everybody". In reality, she doesn't do it with everybody, only everybody who pushes her attraction buttons to the levels she is not used to.
"I don't know how it happened"
"It has been a surreal experience."
"There was a lot of chemistry between us, it felt so natural."
These are common statements she will say to you. While
"One thing led to another", "I don't know how it happened", "He's very different." "He had chemistry", "There was a great connection between us." are statements she will use to rationalize her behavior in the eyes of her friends.
There are different types of guys she will sleep with.
1) The guy she is so attracted to, but not for long term relationship, so she might not hesitate.
2)The guy she sees as a provider, or relationship material, and will make him jump through hoops, and she won't want to come across as a hoe. If he becomes too much of a wuss, she will put him in the friends zone.
3) The guy who has his game and life together, that she will ignore her rules, and worry about catching him, then figure out how to keep him, because in her mind, he is definitely somebody she wants to be involved with, and knows he has his choice, and she's not gonna risk loosing out.
To answer your question, yes, probably 8 out of the last 10 women I've bedded, happened the first night we got together. One was the second night. 9 of the 10, within 12 hours total, combined since meeting. And the one that didn't surrender to the charm, was a virgin, so it took a couple of months, and only after I made it clear that it didn't matter if we never slept with eachother (fear of loss).
Women have all these "rules" about when they should put out, and when not; yet they seem to have different kinds of rules for the type of guy that gives them that deep, instant, physical, & chemical attraction. With this type of guy, she starts feeling so attracted, and the fear of loss is greater than the fear of how she will come out looking, that she will ignore what society tells her she should do, and will be very open to getting intimate, fast.
Once you are good with women, she will bypass the "3 date rule" and be open to anything. This will only happen after she has tested you, which means she will test you hard and early, within the first few hours she meets/talks to you, because she is also eager to move things along with you. She will "be ready" for you once you have proven worthy, at least by her standards.
Once she has gone to bed with you, then she will most likely pull out one of her rationalizations out of her bag of tricks, to make sure you don't think she's "easy", or that she "does this with everybody". In reality, she doesn't do it with everybody, only everybody who pushes her attraction buttons to the levels she is not used to.
"I don't know how it happened"
"It has been a surreal experience."
"There was a lot of chemistry between us, it felt so natural."
These are common statements she will say to you. While
"One thing led to another", "I don't know how it happened", "He's very different." "He had chemistry", "There was a great connection between us." are statements she will use to rationalize her behavior in the eyes of her friends.
There are different types of guys she will sleep with.
1) The guy she is so attracted to, but not for long term relationship, so she might not hesitate.
2)The guy she sees as a provider, or relationship material, and will make him jump through hoops, and she won't want to come across as a hoe. If he becomes too much of a wuss, she will put him in the friends zone.
3) The guy who has his game and life together, that she will ignore her rules, and worry about catching him, then figure out how to keep him, because in her mind, he is definitely somebody she wants to be involved with, and knows he has his choice, and she's not gonna risk loosing out.
To answer your question, yes, probably 8 out of the last 10 women I've bedded, happened the first night we got together. One was the second night. 9 of the 10, within 12 hours total, combined since meeting. And the one that didn't surrender to the charm, was a virgin, so it took a couple of months, and only after I made it clear that it didn't matter if we never slept with eachother (fear of loss).
penkitten
Master Don Juan
bravo gangster of love !! very nice post.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.