SW15
Master Don Juan
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There's a lot of truth to that.I’ve noticed that girls who do coke are usually the biggest freaks.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
There's a lot of truth to that.I’ve noticed that girls who do coke are usually the biggest freaks.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Tbh this was some BS but it’s always nice to have hot women showing interest. It’s a little ego boost I guess lolThere's a lot of truth to that.
I’m not at the 50 approaches or pull level yet like AG Hayden has done, but I’d say we’re putting in a sufficient amount of volume to get results.33 approaches in one night is a very high number. That seems close to spam approaching. Spam type approaching can work. One of the most successful seducers I know in the real world was spam approacher with a weak opener, but he is 6'4" and was fit when he was actively seducing new women. He decided to give up the seduction lifestyle by getting into a long term relationship and eventually getting married.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Talked to another wing about it. He agreed that all I really could’ve done is AMOG the guys and tell them they couldn’t come up, or just forget it because that girl is acting like a crazy person by bringing other dudes over to another man’s house lol.7/21/23 NIGHTGAME FR: Close But No Cigar
Approaches Done: 18
Since I’m incapable of writing a field report that isn’t a full essay lol, here you go. This was a very interesting night with many groups. Got a bit of a late start again, but we made the most of it.
After pregaming a bit, my wing and I hit the strip around midnight.
As per usual, the bulk of the meaningful interactions were on the street. There were two that stood out in my mind.
I directly approached a two-set: a cute white girl with dark hair and piercings, and her midriff out, as well as her blond friend. We vibed a bit, and then eventually I asked what they were up to. The dark haired girl answered that they were out “scamming men” and then eventually showed me a bag of cocaine that she had in her purse for some reason
I invited them back to an afterparty, and they declined. First, the girl asked who would be there. Then she said, “I feel like you’re going to try to have sex with us, so we’ll decline.” I told her that I had no sexual expectations, but it just wasn’t working. I decided to get the number and move on.
I was about to walk away, but she said “Wait, text me before you leave.” She then insisted that we take a picture together first and sends it to me.
After that, we approached another set, this time of two white girls. After I approached, the blond girl commented that she noticed me staring intently at her pizza. (Can you tell that I’m on a diet rn? )
Same deal as before, we vibed and flirted, then I invited her back to an afterparty. She hit me with the same objection the other girl. She said “I feel like you just want to have sex with us, I’m not coming to your afterparty. I have to sleep!”
After that, she got so sh*t testy that it was ridiculous. She was asking me things like “would you still want to fvck me if I had 6 kids” and “are you into golden showers” lol. After a while, I realized that this set was a complete waste of time, and I ejected.
After that, something very interesting happened. The girl from earlier started FaceTiming me. She asked what we were doing, and I said that we were about to roll through to the afterparty, and that she should come through. She said she was down, but that she was with some Canadian people that she met. On the FaceTime, I saw three other guys in the car. In my head, I was like wtf? I didn’t know what to make of that, so in my head, I interpreted it as a rejection and that she was just screwing with me or something. I sent her the address anyways.
It was getting late, so we were about to throw in the towel, but then I get another call from the girl. She says “Hey I’m at the spot. Where are you at?” I’m surprised she came through, so my wing and I go down to get her.
The fvcked up part is that she arrives with the three other Canadian guys THAT SHE JUST MET. I don’t even know what to think, my head is spinning because I have so many questions. I’ve never seen a situation like this before.
1.) So, these guys just dropped these girls off at another dudes house?
2.) Why are they still here?
3.) What tf do I do about this situation?
My wing forgot his keys, so he had to go back up and get them. In the meantime, I needed to entertain the whole group. In the back of my mind, I was thinking, “There’s no way we can allow these random dudes up here. That’s just totally unacceptable.”
My wing eventually comes down, and then the girl eventually starts making excuses about how she’s exhausted and had to go home. This set is just insane, so we call it. I’m like, I don’t even know what’s happening anymore lol.
I asked my wing for feedback. The first thing is, I’m still being too nice to those people. I need to be a bit more of an assh0le. Something like, “Hey you and your friend can come up, but we’re not comfortable with having a bunch of random guys over.” Stuff like this would fall into not only being more confident/assertive, but AMOGGING. It’s very important that I do this so that I don’t allow sh*t like this to happen. You can’t let people subtly disrespect you. I used to think that AMOGGING wasn’t a real thing, but I’ve had experiences that prove it absolutely is, and it needs to be considered when gaming. I need to re-review Occam’s Razor, I’m pretty sure that he has a section going over stuff like this and how to handle it.
It may have been even better to tell her over the call that those guys can’t come over. Again, being a bit more of an assh0le. I want to be respectful to people, but in this world, that doesn’t work all the time. Again, good reference experience.
The biggest obstacle from pulling was those random guys. If it was the two girls, I’m confident we could have gotten them up. I’d say she had some interest in me to come through, my wing put it as “she came through on the strength of you.” The fact that those guys were hovering is so annoying.
We also came up with a way to address the objection of “Who’s there” or “Will it just be you” for the afterparty. This is a very common objection that we get. When the girls say that, the answer will be “A couple friends are on the way!”
All in all, good night. Though we didn’t pull, this also shows the power of getting a number.
I’m going out for around Two on Saturday(tonight.)
Nice choices in alcohol!I wrote this last FR when I was pretty drunk(thanks Disaronno and Grey Goose lol) so I realized I left out some details.
I think Disaronno, and Grey Goose with some Red Bull are a great combo. Not gonna lie I did get kind of lit though lol. More lit than I usually do at least.Nice choices in alcohol!
Getting drunk isn't great for seduction either. I think the max for good gaming is 2 drinks.
Are you still playing guitar Nick? Programming isn't the most creative thing, maybe a little shredding can help you get back into balance.Okay, I don’t want to turn this thread into my own personal diary, but I really need to get this off my chest. My two jobs, especially my programming job, are driving me up the freaking wall lol. I almost hit the point of “I can’t do this anymore” today at both of them lol.
@SW15 I’m definitely somewhat feeling the effect of working 60 hours a week. However, I think that this is the only way because if I didn’t work this much, epic nights like the ones I’ve been writing about wouldn’t be possible.
I think this deserves it’s own separate thread for me to vent about my programming job
Ironically, I find myself way more annoyed by my programming job than by my side hustle in a kitchen.
It really really sucks to not go out Fridays and Saturdays back to back, because doing so lets you build momentum and I think I’d get laid more. However, I think I really need that Saturday to get some extra time in coding. (It depends on the week whether I work Sundays or not.) I’m betting that spending that Saturday to code will alleviate much of my stress.
The only other option would be to go back down to working 40 hours a week, program in the afternoons, and press pause on getting out of debt. However, that’s extremely fiscally irresponsible and I know it would come back to bite me in the ass lol.
Just wanted to get this off my chest, probably will make a separate thread about my programming job. However, it’s really important that I keep doing this job so that I have the financial ability to keep going out like this.
Sorry for the mini-rant. Now, back to the show.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
Too much work will lead to a sense of burn out/exhaustion. It seems like you're feeling it.I don’t want to turn this thread into my own personal diary, but I really need to get this off my chest. My two jobs, especially my programming job, are driving me up the freaking wall lol. I almost hit the point of “I can’t do this anymore” today at both of them lol.
@SW15 I’m definitely somewhat feeling the effect of working 60 hours a week. However, I think that this is the only way because if I didn’t work this much, epic nights like the ones I’ve been writing about wouldn’t be possible.
I won’t even lie, it’s been a full month and a half since I’ve touched my instrument for a serious practice session. I did schedule a lesson for this Friday though.Are you still playing guitar Nick? Programming isn't the most creative thing, maybe a little shredding can help you get back into balance.
Yeah man, they’ve been super exhilarating.Too much work will lead to a sense of burn out/exhaustion. It seems like you're feeling it.
The nights where you've gotten laid from approaching have been good nights.
Playing my instrument whenever I can like @BillyPilgrim said.

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
I think it could make sense to keep this thread going until I move. That’s enough to keep momentum but not so much that my thread reaches 200 pages and is completely overwhelming lol.Keep the thread going and re-name.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.