"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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bass_slappin

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i'm relatively successful with girls have been told im pretty good looking and am pretty happy with myself, but there is one thing i definitely need advice on. I'm pretty good in conversation with a girl once te conversation gets rolling but i'm terrible at initiating a good conversation or initial contact at all. any advice would be appreciated. thanks
 
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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a little addition: i have non sexual/non advance type conversations with girls all the time, i was wondering how to convey that i might be interested
 

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read the HS bible, it's stickied at the top of the forum. you'll get everything on approaching, conversation starting, and kino. it won't give you a step by step guide, but it gives you a good idea of what you should do. good luck.
 

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Don't have a "normal conversation" with a woman you're trying to sleep with. You want to joke around with them and tease them, not have safe convos about grades and the weather. If you say you've been having friendly conversation, with no advancement or sexual innuendo on your part, you have probably already been placed into the "friend category" and she won't be able to picture you as boyfriend material, let alone picture having sex with you.

Don't be afraid to talk about sex. It conveys sexual confidence and girls (secretly) love talking about it.

As far as initiating conversations, just practice. We all have approach anxiety sometimes, just suck it up and go for it. Be a man.
 

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Don't have a "normal conversation" with a woman you're trying to sleep with. You want to joke around with them and tease them, not have safe convos about grades and the weather. If you say you've been having friendly conversation, with no advancement or sexual innuendo on your part, you have probably already been placed into the "friend category" and she won't be able to picture you as boyfriend material, let alone picture having sex with you.
yea i understand that and i have already accepted that ive made these mistakes i was mainly talking about new girls that ive had limited or no contact with at all. ye ai think you were right about approach anxiety it was a pretty good diagnosis.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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