"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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bass_slappin

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i'm relatively successful with girls have been told im pretty good looking and am pretty happy with myself, but there is one thing i definitely need advice on. I'm pretty good in conversation with a girl once te conversation gets rolling but i'm terrible at initiating a good conversation or initial contact at all. any advice would be appreciated. thanks
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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a little addition: i have non sexual/non advance type conversations with girls all the time, i was wondering how to convey that i might be interested
 

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read the HS bible, it's stickied at the top of the forum. you'll get everything on approaching, conversation starting, and kino. it won't give you a step by step guide, but it gives you a good idea of what you should do. good luck.
 

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Don't have a "normal conversation" with a woman you're trying to sleep with. You want to joke around with them and tease them, not have safe convos about grades and the weather. If you say you've been having friendly conversation, with no advancement or sexual innuendo on your part, you have probably already been placed into the "friend category" and she won't be able to picture you as boyfriend material, let alone picture having sex with you.

Don't be afraid to talk about sex. It conveys sexual confidence and girls (secretly) love talking about it.

As far as initiating conversations, just practice. We all have approach anxiety sometimes, just suck it up and go for it. Be a man.
 

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Don't have a "normal conversation" with a woman you're trying to sleep with. You want to joke around with them and tease them, not have safe convos about grades and the weather. If you say you've been having friendly conversation, with no advancement or sexual innuendo on your part, you have probably already been placed into the "friend category" and she won't be able to picture you as boyfriend material, let alone picture having sex with you.
yea i understand that and i have already accepted that ive made these mistakes i was mainly talking about new girls that ive had limited or no contact with at all. ye ai think you were right about approach anxiety it was a pretty good diagnosis.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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