Anyone watch the SOTU?

[zekko]

How is violating Federal election law political? How many people in the Clinton campaign are headed to prison?

Are you serious? Lots of Clinton associates went to prison. And Nixon was a good example too. And Clinton was impeached for a lie.
And the losing side always files the complaints. Do you know how many laws are on the books? The US imprisons a greater percentage of its population than any country in the world.

I know a lot of people get excited and gleeful at the thought of imprisoning the president (the cast of Saturday Night Live were openly and joyfully hoping for impeachment within months of the election). I used to be more interested in politics when I was younger, but over time I've realized it's just not worth investing my time in. What's going to happen is going to happen, and there's nothing we can do about it either way.

 

[EyeBRollin]

He is one of the best people to cite. Nixon got caught in a lie and knew it, and he'd nailed other people on lies in the past. I'm not defending him or anyone, it's simply history, and as you said, he needed the pardon so thanks for supporting my point.

Who exactly are the "animals" you speak of and how so? Do you care to elaborate instead of acting righteously indignant?

You are defending a President that was forced into resignation because of mounting criminal charges.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Which law is Donald Trump being charged with violating? I'm confused.

You can find the full list of the 34 indictments from Trump campaign officials in a simple search.

 

[EyeBRollin]

He and others have said multiple times they are not investigating Trump.

You seem to be missing very basic facts.

Most importantly, you dodged the questions.

What crime occurred that spawned the need for the investigation?

This is why they are charged with only process crimes and this is why there is no collusion and why it is being reported there is no collusion.

Wrong. President Trump is indeed a subject in the Mueller investigation.

 

[Bible_Belt]

You are defending a President that was forced into resignation because of mounting criminal charges.

Is that really what we want here? Does anybody in this discussion really want to see Mike Pence be president? Mitch McConnell is #3 in line, so it only gets worse after Pence, whose only real fans are the kind of people who don't vaccinate their kids, because Jesus and the Russian Internet trolls told them not to. No one wins with impeachment. The Constitution originally gave the vice presidency to the runner up in the election. If Hillary were vp, things would be different, and that was the original concept of impeachment.

 

[EyeBRollin]

So Mueller and others lied?

Hmmm, what are the implications of that?

And again, what crime occurred that prompted the collusion investigation?

That’s a dishonest question. Trump is one of the subjects of interest in an ongoing investigation that has produced 34 indictments and 7 guilty pleas.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Is that really what we want here? Does anybody in this discussion really want to see Mike Pence be president? Mitch McConnell is #3 in line, so it only gets worse after Pence, whose only real fans are the kind of people who don't vaccinate their kids, because Jesus and the Russian Internet trolls told them not to. No one wins with impeachment. The Constitution originally gave the vice presidency to the runner up in the election. If Hillary were vp, things would be different, and that was the original concept of impeachment.

That’s not even a serious argument. Justice doesn’t care who the next in line of succession is. If Trump is believed to have committed high crimes and misdemeanors, it is the constitutional duty of Congress to impeach. “Winning” isn’t the point.

 

[EyeBRollin]

How can it be a dishonest question?

Investigations require a crime to have occurred.

You can't just go subpoenaing willy nilly.

What. Was. The. Crime.

And those indictments? Process crimes. No collusion crime indictments anywhere.....LOL!!!

Lmao, you’re defense to these treasonous criminals is “these crimes aren’t a big deal.” Lol!

Trumps complete financial records will be subpoenaed. Try not to cry when he gets dragged out of the White House.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Incorrect. Your obfuscations are not valid arguments.

Stop defending that criminal Nixon.

 

[Poonani Maker]

Stop defending that criminal Nixon.

What gets me about "Nixon," is, he staved off associating himself with the Apollo missions until he couldn't distance himself no more. He "called" Neil and Buzz whilst they were standing on the moon...yeah ok. There are several transmissions from "mission control" that are round-tripped at .6 seconds. Question to the moon Answer back to Earth in .6 SECONDS. Um...the speed of light to the moon ONE WAY is 1.23 secs. So they were ALL speaking to each other (a phone call passed off as 'live') FASTER than the speed of light. Yeah, "I am not a crook!!!" NASA has stole BILLIONS on a hoax for decades.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I never defended anybody, you are concocting b.s. to deflect from your poor arguments.

And even if I were to, telling me to "stop" means you cannot handle an intelligent debate.

There’s no debate to be had with those who use pardoned criminal Nixon as a defense of Trump, who will all likelihood meet the same fate.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Keep dodging.

Investigations require a crime to have occurred. All you have are Russia conspiracy theories.

What was the crime that spawned this "investigation"?

What. Crime.

No collusion has been found. #LeftistConspiracyTheory

Wrong. The ongoing I nvestigation into Trump campaign ties to Russia has produced 34 indictments and 7 convictions.

What conspiracy theory?

 

[EyeBRollin]

What gets me about "Nixon," is, he staved off associating himself with the Apollo missions until he couldn't distance himself no more. He "called" Neil and Buzz whilst they were standing on the moon...yeah ok. There are several transmissions from "mission control" that are round-tripped at .6 seconds. Question to the moon Answer back to Earth in .6 SECONDS. Um...the speed of light to the moon ONE WAY is 1.23 secs. So they were ALL speaking to each other (a phone call passed off as 'live') FASTER than the speed of light. Yeah, "I am not a crook!!!" NASA has stole BILLIONS on a hoax for decades.

Speaking of conspiracy theories...

 

[zekko]

There’s no debate to be had with those who use pardoned criminal Nixon as a defense of Trump

Well, at least he was pardoned.
What about the impeached Clinton? The Clintons were into some shady things, but I don't doubt that people went after them for poitical reasons. Just like Trump.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Well, at least he was pardoned.
What about the impeached Clinton? The Clintons were into some shady things, but I don't doubt that people went after them for poitical reasons. Just like Trump.

Trump’s charges are a lot worse than lying about a blow job. If it’s purely political, why is his own Republican justice department investigating him?

 

[EyeBRollin]

How many of those indictments and convictions are for Russia collusion?

Russian “collusion” is right wing bull****. It’s conspiracy against the United States.

Michael Flynn - lying to the FBI about contacts with Russia

Paul Manafort - conspiracy against the United States

Rick Gates - conspiracy against the United States

George Papodopolous - lying to the FBI about contacts with Russia

Michael Cohen - Federal election violations including hush money payments and lying to Congress about a Trump-Moscow project

Sorry pal, innocent folks don’t all lie ... let alone all about contacts with Russia

 

[EyeBRollin]

Straw man. You are inventing antagonists for yourself - nobody is using Nixon to defend Trump except for in your mind.



Argument From Authority. Bullshyt. There's always room for debate. People who say this have no argument.

You brought Nixon up. That’s the last person you want to bring up when your President is facing allegations of treason

 

[zekko]

If it’s purely political, why is his own Republican justice department investigating him?

Trump's an outsider. A lot of Republicans would like to be rid of him just as much as most Democrats.