spesmilitis
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I am a Chemical Engineer.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Any engineers here?
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
shop until I die!
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SmoothTalker
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I wanted to be a computer engineer but couldn't handle the university work load. Well.. I could handle it in terms of getting decent grades, but I was too miserable to do 4 more years of that.
Teflon_Mcgee
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No, but getting close.
EE and I'm over the hump.
EE and I'm over the hump.
Speculator E
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Cool. Are you working or in school? I'm a Chem E senior.spesmilitis said:
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Naughtyboy
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I'm an electronics and telecommunication engineer
But currently working in a sales position in an altogether different field
But currently working in a sales position in an altogether different field
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
kdnash82
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Systems Engineer.... I deal in military computer systems... no certs, no degrees
SmoothTalker
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kdnash82, can you explain the system down there? Up here engineering is a controlled profession, and you're only legally allowed to call yourself an engineer if you have the P. Eng designation which you earn by having an undergrad engineering degree and relevant work experience, then passing an exam, and some other little stuff.
It's like doctors. Just because you know a thing or two about the body, you're not a doctor unless you have a license.
Is anyone allowed to call themselves an engineer if they do 'engineering' work in the US?
It's like doctors. Just because you know a thing or two about the body, you're not a doctor unless you have a license.
Is anyone allowed to call themselves an engineer if they do 'engineering' work in the US?
kdnash82
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To tell you the truth, I've never thought about it. It's the position I hold with the company. It's the title they gave me. So maybe you're right.SmoothTalker said:
When I look online and I see what a systems engineer makes in San Diego, CA, and I compare it to my salary, I'm at the top tier of that scale.
To be honest with you, they could say my title was custodian. As long as I was still working with military computer systems and making the money that a systems engineer makes, it really wouldn't matter.
I guess you could say the same thing about custodians though huh?
ready123
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Yeah here in the US, the term in engineer is used wayyy more loosely than in any other country. You don't need the PE cert to be considered an engineer here, only the work experience. You go to Europe and tell them you're an engineer and you don't have licensing, they'll laugh at you. For us guys in the US working tech, this probably not a good thing, but it is what it isSmoothTalker said:
I'm EE, used to work as Test Engineer in Semiconductors, now back in grad school going for a Masters EE
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Teflon_Mcgee
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It's the same here.SmoothTalker said:
Only after an 4 year degree (with few exceptions), passing the fundementals of eng. exam, working for a designated time (usually 4 years) under a professional eng., and passing the P.E. exam with references can you offer your services as an engineer.
Of course anyone can call themselves engineers. As long as the context is clear and they aren't doing work under the guise of an engineer.
I.e. a custodial engineer or sanitation engineer.
Blurring the line are titles like software engineer.
Those working for a company under the supervision of a professional engineer are somewhat exempt as the company is th entity that is represented and responsible for any work the engineer does.
This may differ if the any project has any affect on public safety.
It also varies by state.
And like practicing medicine or law without a license, the same thing applies to engineering. It is punishable by law.
spesmilitis
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Working, graduated in June. I could offer one piece of advice to you, go to every company information session and at the end, ask for a business card. When you decide to apply for jobs, you'll then have contacts in the industry. Also, the sooner you interview jobs, the more likely you'll get a higher salary.Speculator E said:
Loves it. Very hard though. And not for everyone. If I were you, I would look at the course descriptions for the required courses of all the science and engineering majors and see if you want to learn what they teach in those courses. Some of the course descriptions can be confusing, so let me know if you have any questions.Neubie said:
SmoothTalker
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Reading course descriptions is a good tip, I just want to add a warning. Don't be fooled if the course descriptions sound easy. I thought so as a lot of the material looked like review of high school stuff. The difference is that its at a much much deeper level.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.