All you have to be to get in the top 30% of each gender is to be a Healthy Weight & Average looking face. But that 30% woman doesn't want a 30% man.

[Identikit_Radiohead]

Think about it..... 70% of men and women are overweight or obese in the USA (similar in UK), so no higher than a 4/10. So just being a healthy weight, somewhat slim/fit and having an average face gets you in the top 30%, perhaps even top 25% because there's always guys and gals who are of healthy BMI's but have butt-ugly faces.

A 50% / 50th percentile woman is 171lbs at 5ft4, which is fat and ugly - she is a "3" to 3.5/10, not a 5. Same with the 50% man: he is 5ft9 and 200lbs, which makes him fat & ugly (unless he's a bodybuilder or something). He is a "3" to 3.5/10 not a 5. They both need a year in the gym to come up to a 5/10.

Now here's the problem, that 30% to 25% slim/healthy weight average woman wants a top 5% > top 10% man (i.e. a 6ft0+ Chad or Chadlite) and not a 30% or 25% guy, or even a 20% percentile guy. This leaves the Healthy Weight Average man with nothing and not able to get his attractiveness match, unless he's very rich or something. Men then put extreme pressure on other men to "get rich" and earn $100K per year, own a garage of fast cars, a large house etc, which is not achievable for most of us. Guys like Richard Cooper (youtube) preach this.

The only other alternative for the healthy-weight or slim average man is to DATE DOWN IN LOOKS which means a fat woman. If you can be attracted to fat women - kudos to you, there's plenty of them. Not for me though, neither most men. I find fat bodies disgusting personally.

Slim is also a highly sort-after trait for men when scoping for a potential GF/wife/FWB, but for women immutable genetic traits are perhaps more sort after i.e. tall height, full head of hair, wide skeletal frame, good beard, nice eyes etc. Not saying slimness in men is not sort after by women, but you know what I mean.

 

[quodlibet]

Bro, think of the mathematical fallacy you're saying. Even if the top 30% of women only want the top 10% of men, there aren't enough men for all of them. Only one-third will suceed.

A lot of this "women have all the options" stuff never consider the fact that there's a 1 to 1 gender ratio. That means, there's literally someone for everyone.

Most women are similar to men. That is, they're realistic in who they'll get. They won't insist on only top 10% of men.

 

[UK manc]

A lot of this "women have all the options" stuff never consider the fact that there's a 1 to 1 gender ratio. That means, there's literally someone for everyone.

Men write off anyone 35+.

Therefore there are more available men as women don't care as much about age.

War used to fix this.

Women are suffering more from ugly tattoos and obesity too, narrowing their dateable numbers even more.

Hypergamy is now doing the job of war.

 

[Identikit_Radiohead]

Bro, think of the mathematical fallacy you're saying. Even if the top 30% of women only want the top 10% of men, there aren't enough men for all of them. Only one-third will suceed.

They share the top 5% to 10% men between themselves though.

They are quite happy to have hook-ups or 'situationships' with Chads during her peak and prime years (18-30 or 18-32) and twighlight years (33-39). Its only when they want to settle, which is 40+ years old today If not 45+50yo (no eggs left/no fertility, and a single mommy), when they even consider a slim average man (and the average healthy weight man must provide a great career + betabux).

Still plenty of Chad "prowlers" on these god damn dating apps and social media, and slim average becky is willing to hook up with him even if he has other slim average girls on his rotation. When she's nurfed from chads harem, and he's done with her is when we hear the regurgitated parrot words "WHERE HAVE ALL THE GOOD MEN GONE". What they mean is "why won't Chad commit to me?"

 

[Identikit_Radiohead]

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I've never once worried about any of this or even thought of it. I simply went about doing, adjusting to the feedback I got and continuously tweaking thing in response to it.

Wasting time creating negative outcomes in your mind because you don't have "X" is not only stupid, it's essentially self-defeating and ends up being a self-fulfilling prophecy you end up creating where the outcome you get largely fuels what you already believe to be true.

Control what you can control and stop worrying about what you can't. So many people on this board and in general spend their entire lives creating negative feedback loops internally and then wonder why negative results follow.

 

[Mike32ct]

I think the OP is suggesting that being slim/thin/healthy body weight alone doesn’t do much for a guy in terms of attractiveness, and it can often result in an overweight (or older) chick as a “looksmatch.” Not a similar age, thin Plain Jane.

For that, yes I agree and have thought of that before. Slim alone doesn’t do much unless it’s coupled with chiseled abs, good face/hair, and/or significant height.

I had a 60s lady compliment me the other day about “how I manage to stay skinny.” Fair enough lol.

But, even if you don’t earn many points being lean, what exactly is the alternative? Be fat or have a gut or double chin? No thanks.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Bro, think of the mathematical fallacy you're saying. Even if the top 30% of women only want the top 10% of men, there aren't enough men for all of them. Only one-third will suceed.

A lot of this "women have all the options" stuff never consider the fact that there's a 1 to 1 gender ratio. That means, there's literally someone for everyone.

Most women are similar to men. That is, they're realistic in who they'll get. They won't insist on only top 10% of men.

What you forget is that women are not like men. Women can sustain sex for long periods of time, meaning they can hold out far easier than men if it means getting that guy she wants. My mother did not have a mate for over ten years yet she kept talking about wanting to get this one man at her church which she never obtained.

So even if there's not enough men to go around, those women will share those men if they have to.

It makes sense why rights were taken away from women in history. Women are terrible at keeping the human race going.

 

[BaronOfHair]

If getting lays(Rather than genuine compasionship)is ALL a fella is in the market for, the percentage he falls into is ultimately immaterial. All he requires is

-A state of the art stun gun

-Sturdy zip ties

-A well-operating van

-Some portion of the home that's adequately sound proofed

-A finely sharpened hacksaw

-Ready access to sulphuric acid + A bathtub, so as to purge oneself of the fun's aftermath, by extension avoid legal hassles

Close proximity to any enclave populated by nubile increases one's acquisition pool also

 

[Bigpapa]

Men write off anyone 35+.

how many men whom are 30+ manage to keep their attractiveness to actually be able to compete with younger guys if it is a looks only market?

men start looking like sh1t at the same rate as women do, because life is hard and stressful for the very vast majority of people

Not only most women age like milk, but most men guys too

plus, as the age gap widens between men and women, the more starts to matter the money aspect. Which decreases even more the likelihood of being a top 30+ that has both looks + money and be able to compete with the younger guys

 

[BaronOfHair]

@Bigpapa "how many men whom are 30+ manage to keep their attractiveness to actually be able to compete with younger guys if it is a looks only market?"

YMWLV

Personally, as a teen and throughout most of my 20s, I was facially quite "pretty" and(in some respects, anyway)still effeminate in my mindset and behaviors. And this is the case with quite a few men I know personally, alongside fellas in the public eye. One example:

Here's Charlie Hunnam at 19-20

Vs in his 30s

The traits of virility take a moment to develop

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I think the OP is suggesting that being slim/thin/healthy body weight alone doesn’t do much for a guy in terms of attractiveness, and it can often result in an overweight (or older) chick as a “looksmatch.” Not a similar age, thin Plain Jane.

For that, yes I agree and have thought of that before. Slim alone doesn’t do much unless it’s coupled with chiseled abs, good face/hair, and/or significant height.

I had a 60s lady compliment me the other day about “how I manage to stay skinny.” Fair enough lol.

But, even if you don’t earn many points being lean, what exactly is the alternative? Be fat or have a gut or double chin? No thanks.

Why would anyone think looking frail would help a man's value?

 

[plumber]

its reality. its even worse than you suggest. its relative within the visibility of the woman. of all the men she can see in her life she picks the top one. so does all the other women she can see. often its the same guy. not top 30%, but literally the same guy. that guy has many choices.

men mostly all notice the same woman, but the way the lust drive goes is different and something is better than nothing. for many women nothing is better than missing the top guy. its not all about being attracted to him, its also demonstrating that she is queen and she will be selected by him over her competitors.

when your date wants to go to the fancy venue don't do it. go to the venue where you look fancy. if you want to improve go to the fancy place alone and do the work. don't drive a moped into a biker bar, don't where jeans in a opera house, and for sure do not take her to the gym with you when your just starting. if your short avoid the NBA... do not put yourself into competition when you are sure to loose. no matter how much confidence, the white belt does not tap out the black belt; does not happen. but... when its all white belt the senior guy wins usually.

make a place where you are the top guy in some way. that's the place you will do well getting and keeping her. can't stress enough that its relative not obsolete.

 

[SickSadWorld]

Think about it..... 70% of men and women are overweight or obese in the USA (similar in UK), so no higher than a 4/10. So just being a healthy weight, somewhat slim/fit and having an average face gets you in the top 30%, perhaps even top 25% because there's always guys and gals who are of healthy BMI's but have butt-ugly faces.

A 50% / 50th percentile woman is 171lbs at 5ft4, which is fat and ugly - she is a "3" to 3.5/10, not a 5. Same with the 50% man: he is 5ft9 and 200lbs, which makes him fat & ugly (unless he's a bodybuilder or something). He is a "3" to 3.5/10 not a 5. They both need a year in the gym to come up to a 5/10.

Now here's the problem, that 30% to 25% slim/healthy weight average woman wants a top 5% > top 10% man (i.e. a 6ft0+ Chad or Chadlite) and not a 30% or 25% guy, or even a 20% percentile guy. This leaves the Healthy Weight Average man with nothing and not able to get his attractiveness match, unless he's very rich or something. Men then put extreme pressure on other men to "get rich" and earn $100K per year, own a garage of fast cars, a large house etc, which is not achievable for most of us. Guys like Richard Cooper (youtube) preach this.

The only other alternative for the healthy-weight or slim average man is to DATE DOWN IN LOOKS which means a fat woman. If you can be attracted to fat women - kudos to you, there's plenty of them. Not for me though, neither most men. I find fat bodies disgusting personally.

Slim is also a highly sort-after trait for men when scoping for a potential GF/wife/FWB, but for women immutable genetic traits are perhaps more sort after i.e. tall height, full head of hair, wide skeletal frame, good beard, nice eyes etc. Not saying slimness in men is not sort after by women, but you know what I mean.

None of that is true

 

[UK manc]

how many men whom are 30+ manage to keep their attractiveness to actually be able to compete with younger guys if it is a looks only market?

men start looking like sh1t at the same rate as women do, because life is hard and stressful for the very vast majority of people

Not only most women age like milk, but most men guys too

plus, as the age gap widens between men and women, the more starts to matter the money aspect. Which decreases even more the likelihood of being a top 30+ that has both looks + money and be able to compete with the younger guys

That's a choice men make if they want to disintegrate at 30. Professionals play on into their 40s in football, cricket, snooker...

 

[Bigpapa]

That's a choice men make if they want to disintegrate at 30. Professionals play on into their 40s in football, cricket, snooker...

We talk about the vast majority of guys how they end up like, not outliers

For example a woman ca still be super sexy at 30 years old, but is that how the very vast majority of women at 30 will look like?

Same things with guys 30+, most of them are out of shape, terrible mental health and terrible skin

 

[Snag87]

Think about it..... 70% of men and women are overweight or obese in the USA (similar in UK), so no higher than a 4/10. So just being a healthy weight, somewhat slim/fit and having an average face gets you in the top 30%, perhaps even top 25% because there's always guys and gals who are of healthy BMI's but have butt-ugly faces.

A 50% / 50th percentile woman is 171lbs at 5ft4, which is fat and ugly - she is a "3" to 3.5/10, not a 5. Same with the 50% man: he is 5ft9 and 200lbs, which makes him fat & ugly (unless he's a bodybuilder or something). He is a "3" to 3.5/10 not a 5. They both need a year in the gym to come up to a 5/10.

Now here's the problem, that 30% to 25% slim/healthy weight average woman wants a top 5% > top 10% man (i.e. a 6ft0+ Chad or Chadlite) and not a 30% or 25% guy, or even a 20% percentile guy. This leaves the Healthy Weight Average man with nothing and not able to get his attractiveness match, unless he's very rich or something. Men then put extreme pressure on other men to "get rich" and earn $100K per year, own a garage of fast cars, a large house etc, which is not achievable for most of us. Guys like Richard Cooper (youtube) preach this.

The only other alternative for the healthy-weight or slim average man is to DATE DOWN IN LOOKS which means a fat woman. If you can be attracted to fat women - kudos to you, there's plenty of them. Not for me though, neither most men. I find fat bodies disgusting personally.

Slim is also a highly sort-after trait for men when scoping for a potential GF/wife/FWB, but for women immutable genetic traits are perhaps more sort after i.e. tall height, full head of hair, wide skeletal frame, good beard, nice eyes etc. Not saying slimness in men is not sort after by women, but you know what I mean.

I’m 75th to 80th percentile range and just date down. Fortunately, I’m attracted to overweight bodies so it’s not that bad

 

[RangerMIke]

If a person is not physically attracted to their potential partner... nothing happens, unless you have the partner just settling for financial or security reasons.

If it's a man or a woman... it doesn't matter. Men don't want unattractive women either... it's not just women that do this.

Having said that, EVERYONE has complete control over their physical appearance. Eat well. cut back on drinking and smoking, stop cooking your skin laying out in the Sun. Get enough sleep. Don't dress like a slob.... Get exercise and become fit and that is half the battle. And for God's sake, ignore all the 'looks maxxing' and 'pheromone maxxing' nonsense where men are getting plastic surgery taking hammers to their faces... not bathing and drinking your own urine, you will be ready.

At that point, live within your means, avoid debt, and get out and make an effort.

A man is a lot more attractive to a sane woman who drives and older car that you take good care of, then if you are driving a new BMW.

 

[BaronOfHair]

@Bigpapa "...most of them are out of shape, terrible mental health and terrible skin"

Most folks similarly walk out of K-12 functionally illiterate, get all their info off TV/their favorite content creators, go through life believing their at the mercy of circumstance, and never get very far ahead in their careers or lives more generally

These are all choices

 

[RangerMIke]

@Bigpapa "...most of them are out of shape, terrible mental health and terrible skin"

Most folks similarly walk out of K-12 functionally illiterate, get all their info off TV/their favorite content creators, go through life believing their at the mercy of circumstance, and never get very far ahead in their careers or lives more generally

These are all choices

Truth... we 'boomers' have raised a generation of victims. We like to b1tch about younger people, but we created this sh1t.