"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Advantages of Your Height

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Saw this video the other day. Since height is such a frequent topic on here, I thought I'd share it. Find your height and hear what advantages you have. For instance, the taller you are, the lower your expected lifespan. I had heard some say this was a myth, but it makes sense to me as presented here: The taller you are, the more cells you have, the more likely some mutate, etc. Anyway, maybe it will make some feel better about your height, whatever it is.

 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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For EVERY guy who blames his incel-dom on his height, the truth is, his height has nothing to do with it.
So if a guy is 5’2” and struggles to get dates, you’re going to claim his height has nothing to do with it?
 

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So if a guy is 5’2” and struggles to get dates, you’re going to claim his height has nothing to do with it?
how likely it is for a guy to be 5’2’’ ?

from what everyone agrees on is that height has a normal distribution, which means that 68% of the height sits within 1 standard deviation from the mean, 95% within 2 and 99.7% within 3 standard deviations

in the USA the average height for a male is 5’10’’ and a standard deviation of 3’’

so at 5’2’’ you are in the bottom 0.15% of height

Yeah, if that is the case then you are f8cked but most of the guys complaining about height are maybe average in height

You just can’t come up with crazy examples to prove a point

looking through these height stats I kinda realized that even the social media focus “ he needs to be 6’ “ is actually not something that exaggerated. Basically it means to be slightly above average and usually comes from girls whom are slightly above average themselves
 
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how likely it is for a guy to be 5’2’’ ?

from what everyone agrees on is that height has a normal distribution, which means that 68% of the height sits within 1 standard deviation from the mean, 95% within 2 and 99.7% within 3 standard deviations

in the USA the average height for a male is 5’10’’ and a standard deviation of 3’’

so at 5’2’’ you are in the bottom 0.15% of height

Yeah, if that is the case then you are f8cked but most of the guys complaining about height are maybe average in height

You just can’t come up with crazy examples to prove a point

looking through these height stats I kinda realized that even the social media focus “ he needs to be 6’ “ is actually not something that exaggerated. Basically it means to be slightly above average and usually comes from girls whom are slightly above average themselves

Or maybe that woman is a little shallow . I happen to be the average 5’10. Never had any problems with women. But then I am also a 8-9 in looks . But honestly, I can’t take credit for that. My parents were both very good looking. I just got lucky.
 

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Or maybe that woman is a little shallow . I happen to be the average 5’10. Never had any problems with women. But then I am also a 8-9 in looks . But honestly, I can’t take credit for that. My parents were both very good looking. I just got lucky.
I'm 5'8" and use to clean up on OLD when I used it regularly. Probably a 6 in looks but my build and being in elite shape definitely pushed me up some especially for women who placed a high importance on that aspect.

But even during times I wasn't in the best shape, I still did well for myself. Personally I think women just have a single bucket for "in shape/muscular" and as long as you are in it, being elite versus just muscular with some extra body fat doesn't move the needle much.
 

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Personally I think women just have a single bucket for "in shape/muscular" and as long as you are in it, being elite versus just muscular with some extra body fat doesn't move the needle much.
I think I've got a naturally chubby face, so have to get to "elite" to get the face card.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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So if a guy is 5’2” and struggles to get dates, you’re going to claim his height has nothing to do with it?
If you have to go that extreme, I think you're proving my point.

You're looking at less that 0.1% of men who are under 5'2. Of course if you're hunchback, that'll affect your dating.

But for "normal" shortness like a guy who's 5'6, it's not his height.
 

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Saw this video the other day. Since height is such a frequent topic on here, I thought I'd share it. Find your height and hear what advantages you have. For instance, the taller you are, the lower your expected lifespan. I had heard some say this was a myth, but it makes sense to me as presented here: The taller you are, the more cells you have, the more likely some mutate, etc. Anyway, maybe it will make some feel better about your height, whatever it is.

It is not about height bro
 

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But for "normal" shortness like a guy who's 5'6, it's not his height.
Then what is it? Sosuave keeps saying height is not a factor, but Sosuave does not say what IS the factor.

Sosuave: "Its not a man not being 6'0".
Sosuave user: "Then what is it?"
Sosuave: <Silence>

Sosuave: "Its not a man not being 6'0"
Sosuave user: "Then what is it?"
Sosuave "Everything else"

What kind of answers of these? If you pinpoint "what it is not", you have to pinpoint "what it is", otherwise the statement fails the logic test and its an emotional statement.

If man answers like this with a hot 23 year old girl, she would make his head spin in 3.2 seconds. Yet we are supposed to believe Sosuave sleeps with hot women.

Rock on!
 

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A Hot 23 year old is just a hot Young Chick.
 

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"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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It is not about height bro
What's not about height? I guess you're talking about dating. Height is an advantage in the dating world, but it's just one tool in the shed. I've never said you can't date if you're not 6'0". I can imagine though that if you're 5'4", that might present some challenges. Not challenges that can't be overcome, but I'm sure they're there. I'm 5'10", I've always said my height doesn't seem to hurt me or help me, dating wise.

In any case, the video I posted is not about dating per se, it's about various biological and mechanical advantages for different heights.
 

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What's not about height? I guess you're talking about dating. Height is an advantage in the dating world, but it's just one tool in the shed. I've never said you can't date if you're not 6'0". I can imagine though that if you're 5'4", that might present some challenges. Not challenges that can't be overcome, but I'm sure they're there. I'm 5'10", I've always said my height doesn't seem to hurt me or help me, dating wise.

In any case, the video I posted is not about dating per se, it's about various biological and mechanical advantages for different heights.
Oh sorry if you were talking about something unrelated to picking up girl and dating. I assumed you were referring to dating. I do agree Is a tool but a bad tool too
 

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Oh sorry if you were talking about something unrelated to picking up girl and dating. I assumed you were referring to dating. I do agree Is a tool but a bad tool too
The video is about height in general, but I wouldn't have posted it here if height weren't discussed so much as a dating issue.
Height is one of those things that is a factor, but you can't do anything about, so there's no sense dwelling on it. Unless you want to break your legs and get height surgery, which I certainly wouldn't recommend.

The real big issue I've seen debated here is whether or not to lie on OLD about your height. I've never done any OLD, so I don't know anything about it. But guys here say a lot of women filter out any guy under 6'0", so they say they put down that they are 6'0", even if they are not. I don't like this idea because I don't like lying, plus I feel like if they can't accept me the way I am, they can take a flying leap, you know?
 

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I think the biggest joke in this thread is people claiming there are many guys as tall as 5'2"
This is not realistic at all for male height.

Wanna know how tall Danny Devito is? 5'0"
That's basically dwarf height.
2 inches taller than 5'0" is still dwarf height.

Dwarves have a connected community of their own.
So yes even shorter people are getting laid, but you don't hear about it because it's disconnected from the mainstream media.
Dwarves date other Dwarves.
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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