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cheyne

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I notice that there's not a journal section on this forum?

I'm 27. Live i Europe. 5ft 6. Facially I drew the short straw a bit with a big nose and a tiny chin lol. Not much hair either. I have a decent body, though!

Started reading this carious forums about how to get laid and done the typical 'inner game' advice (such as learning a musical instrument. Piano and guitar in my case. I'm getting decent! Took up some new hobbies. Meditate. Go to the gym, although was already doing that to be fair)

I also 'learnt game'. I don't think of it as 'learning game' though to be honest as I don't think I read anything that I didn't already know. - I already know about how to hold eye contact and to listen to what she says and then try to relate. I naturally tease people when the opportunity arises etc. I know not to be 'clingy' and declare my undying love etc. I feel like 'game' is common sense for normal people but maybe needs to be 'learnt' if someone hasn't been at all socialised or has autism maybe? However, I started with mysterymethod and read a few books, finishing with 'models' which was kind of the polar opposite of 'mysterymethod' in every possible way, which was quite amusing lol (having so many experts who disagree on literally every single nuance of game!)

Anyway, throughout that time I began approaching.

I'd estimate maybe 300 approaches? All at night in pubs and bars.

A mixture of indirect and direct. Since experts disagree and there's clearly no 'right' or 'wrong' way, I decided that both approaches 'work' and so I thought best to play with both and see which one gives me the best results

Of them 300 or so approaches, i'd say the 'split' was fairly even in terms of results

So 150 indirect approaches, resulted in like 90 'insta rejections' where she basically ignores me, or rlooks at me and walks away, or just tells me 'sorry i'm not interested/you're not my type''

The other 60 approaches were where girls were at least seemingly interested in having some sort of interaction. I tease, ask questions, make cold reads etc.

However, once it's clear that i'm interested in being more than friends and maybe try to ramp up the kino a little, or make a flirty comment or try to move her to isolation, that's when rejection happens.

Except in the case of one girl who was into me and I escalated too having sex with her that night. However, I feel like going 'direct' would have got me the same exact result in her case.

The 150 direct approaches have a similar distribution although since i'm showing intent from the off, the insta rejections were probably a little bit higher.

I guess direct forces her to decide whether she thinks you're good looking enough for her or not?

Despite so much rejection, I feel it almost gave me a smalll confidence boost and I started trying to game girls at work, too

2 hot new girls started. Both 18.

With the first one, I decided to just be the fun, socialble guy and spoke to her a fair bit, teased her, showed that i'm sexual with DHV stories etc and she was very receptive etc and seemed to like me quite a lot, although once i showed some intent, she kind of basically said ''I like you as a friend. You're fun and popular bla bla but i'm just no into you in that way. Hope we can still be friends''

Someone told me that my mistake was not showing my intent straight away, so Once the other new girl started working here, I showed intent within a few days, but she told me that she wasn't really interested in guys/hooking up at the moment etc.

However, I found out from our mutual colleague that she spends lots of time in the office hitting up random(strangers) 'handsome' guys on instagram and meets up with some! ''Not looking for hookups!!??'' she says!! lol.

Also, It seems maybe the 'girls don't care about looks' stuff isn't quite on the money, but it is what it is and I don't intent to give up. Still continuing too approach.

Not sure there's much more I can do to improve my hit rate at this point, though. I think we just live in a very superficial world now! I'm not blaming the girls, though. Us guys are the same and just as bad lol. We're only interested in the hot girls, too!!

Will update this from time to time
 
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Opened a girl direct near the dancefloor. Told her she was cute. She looked at me and then told her friend what i'd said and they moved away! haha. Opened a girl with an observational opener about her jacket. SHe was like a 9! Teased her. Made a cold read but she wasn't really responding and it fizzled out soon. Opened a girl and then realised I knew her as we met on a night out years ago. She was with 2 friends, one of whom I nearly pulled a year back. I'm chatting to the hottest one but just my luck, she notices some really handsome dude drinking at the bar. She's too scared to open him, so her friend goes over to him and it is like ''My friend thinks you're hot!'' He comes over. Runs interview mode for a few mins and then she kissed him. I bail that set and make a few dancefloor appraoches but not luck. Hopefully out tonight again
 

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Man, it's painful just to read your reports. You need to change your game before you run yourself into depression.

You obviously lack in Looks (height and face). You keep going to gym and that's good, don't ever stop, but even if you have a ripped body of an underwear model, it's still not enough for pubs and bars. These are the places where ONLY looks matters. You need to bet on other aspects of your masculinity, i.e. Assets, Status and Game and opt for an environment where you can use these aspects instead of raw looks.

Try hobby clubs like salsa or tango amateurs dancing. Try different thematic outdoor fests, climbing, marathon runners... Use your social circles for puck-ups, i.e. invite yourself into companies of your friends for different birthday parties and so on. You need something where you can start casual conversations without obvious intend to find a girl for a night. You won't be able to do 300 approaches so quickly, but the chances to close deals will be much higher.

Also, try to take advantage on everyday mundane situations, where a causal "accidental" opener is appropriate. For example, in a supermarket line, "hey, I see you got wine there. Have you tried it before? Is it good?". Use a voice recorder to later analyze your speech and your actions during the approach.

And stop aiming at 9s. You're just starting, right? You need "starter girlfriends". Someone not too ugly, who you'll use just for practice. For now, lower your standards as much as you can to hone your Game skills and get rid of all the Blue Pill conditioning (ONEitis, sniper mentality, Nice Guy affliction, etc.).

Keep reading books on games and masculinity. It's worth reading them several times and listening to them over and over as audiobooks. They are often so packed with information which cannot be accepted by your Blue Pill mind that you need to soak yourself in it for quite some time before your paradigm shifts.

And last but not least, be your mental point of origin. Don't let rejection get you. You're getting lots of it now and so far you're doing good, but don't just play numbers game. Try to learn from each rejection, because if you don't learn from your mistakes, there is no point in doing them.

Keep on reporting, bro. Give more details in your reports, so more experienced DJs here could point at your mistakes.
 

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Looksmax 101

Everything else seems fine. You have approached more girls than 99%

Excellent

Now for the looks

The best looking men spend the most time on appearance. Ever realized that?

Tanning, beard game, mosturizer, hair thickener, clothes, shades, style

Guys on here call it cuck but well groomed guys are cucking them
 

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Popped out briefly last night
My friend opened some girl he liked at the bar and then her friends came over to get served at the bar
I got speaking too an older lady, but next to her was some fairly pretty 18 year old. They were work friends.
I started talking to her a little. They went too a different bar, but she ended up coming to the place me and my friends were at (i'd told her where we were going)
I start dancing with her and slowly kind of isolate her a bit. I bring up the topic of dating as a way to kind of feel her out and I start to make some flirty comments and I decide to play 'fuk, kill or marry' with her, using random strangers in the bar
We're flirting and I start giving her some physical compliments, whilst also 'pushing' a little too with some teases
I know she is about to leave as her friend wants to drag her away and I pull her in for a makeout.
She gives me her number
Text me at like 3am just to say she had fun
I know it's only a kiss, but she's kinda cute and my type that it gives me a little confidence boost
On the downside I was a complete pu$sy in terms of approach anxiety last night

 
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Pretty sure that girl isn't interested. Shame, but time to forget about her lol

Went out last night for a bit

First open was a mixed group with a pretty girl sitting on the edge of a bench (beer garden) so I just sat next to her and said hi and told her that we were drinking neighbours. I noticed an accent and we chatted a bit about her being from Poland. Soon after her hot blonde friend came over to get involved and now i'm talking to them both. I eventually settle on her friend anad we chat for a good 15 mins, but every time I tried to escalate or flirt etc, she'd kind of shoot me down and I decided she wasn't interested so left her a little after that.

Opened a really hot 2 set in the beer garden. Decided to go direct this time and opened and told the one I liked that I thought she was hot and so wanted to say hi, but she told me I wasn't her type, and her hot friend had a boyfriend. I used this set to practice plowing a little just for practice and had a 10 min convo and kept it playful and fun etc, but yeah

Different bar now - was on the dancefloor and some guy taking photo's pointed the camera at me and 2 hot girls who were dancing near me. I went to kind of encourage them closer to me so that we could all be in the photo, but the hot one was a rude mofo and said something like ''Eww...no. I don't wanna be in a pic with you'' lol.

Opened a hot girl at the bar - direct - but she said she wasn't interested.

Confidence took a bit of a nose-dive (I actually think it was the dancefloor girl that caused the damage lol) and I found myself not opening loads of super hot girls who I wanted too approach. Approach anxiety sucks so much! I think it's with me for life!

I walk down the street and there's a super hot girl standing outside of a pizza place, waiting for her firnds who are inside. I open indirect with some sort of observational opener, and after a slightly frosty reception, she kinds of opens up a bit. We talk for 5 mins and i'm cold reading and being flirty etc, but her friends just kind of steal her from me now that they've got their pizza. Set ended kind of abruptly

Walking towards the cab place now to go home and I spot a group of girls sitting on the steps outside of the bar that is now closed. I just sit down next to the one I like (blonde girl wearing glasses. kInd of a hot nerd thing going on).
I say 'hi', and she's kind of polite friendly and it turns out she's Polish.
We make some small talk. After a while I start to make it a little more flirty, sexualising the convo and teasing her about things. She mentions tattoos and I start to trace tattoo designs on her naked legs. Her legs are the SOFTEST legs i've ever felt. She copies my 'routine' and starts running her fingers on my arm lol. We're just talking about nothing. I love how she fills in the silences and breaks the tension each time lol. She's staying in a single room in a hotel with her work colleague and the 3 of us walk towards their hotel and as we enter the lobby area, her friend goes upstair and the girl i'm with tells her she'll be up in a second. As we're talking, I pull her towards me and kiss her. We start making out and I grab both of her hands with my hand and kind of restrain her and it totally turns her on and she's like ''How did you know I like that!'' or something. I'm running my hands all over her body and I contemplate trying to bang her right there, but I can tell she's not quite there yet and it's like 5am and i'm not THAT into her (like I was the girl from last week!!!) so I decide to bail
 

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How did you figure out that girl from last week was not interested? She gave you her number and texted that she had fun that night. Why didn't you develop from there?

Why didn't you "close" that Polish girl? Why did you spend time on her if you were not THAT into her? Why did you start thinking that she was not quite there to have sex with you? You should not think about it. Let her to decide whether she want to have sex with you or not, but don't disqualify yourself too early.

Iron Rule of Tomassi #8

Always let a woman figure out why she won't ƒuck you, never do it for her.
 

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How did you figure out that girl from last week was not interested? She gave you her number and texted that she had fun that night. Why didn't you develop from there?
In the morning I text her saying we should go out again soon (soft close, as per PUA widsom) and she was like ''yeah, definitely!!xx''
So looking good and I was happy! :)
Soon after I went for the 'hard close' (as I read to do if she seems keen on the softclose) but as soon as I was like ''Let's go out next Tuesday'' or whatever, she started messing around talking about how she's 'always busy' and how she wasn't sure if she'd be able to make any night out in the forseeable future lol
I know it's bull**** because on the night I met her, she had work in the morning and didn't give a **** about being out and getting drunk until 3am lol
SO yeah, It's not looking good i'm afraid lol



Why didn't you "close" that Polish girl? Why did you spend time on her if you were not THAT into her? Why did you start thinking that she was not quite there to have sex with you? You should not think about it. Let her to decide whether she want to have sex with you or not, but don't disqualify yourself too early.
As I said, when I started to go past kissing, she'd put the brakes on. She said 'You should go now' a few times And she'd already said I couldn't go to her room. where her friend was. She was of course hot enough to have sex with, but it was VERY later once i'd met her (i'd been approaching all night!) and I didn't wanna keep persisting with her in some hotel lobby tbh. If it was the girl from last week i'd have likely tried harder and for longer!
 

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Only a few approaches last night as was out with my rich boss and a few others as someone is leaving the company

First approach I went direct and told the girl I thought she looked nice and wanted to meet her. 18. Hot as ****. She kind of done the ignore thing UK girls do and then told me she was only 18 and that I was way too old for her and kind walked away. Next.

A woman brushes up near me and kind of smiles as she walks past so I open her and we chat briefly. She tells me she's with a friend she needs to speak too but might see me later. I spot her 10mins later looking at me and she kind of beckons me over. I beckon her back (need to be the leader, dominant one in charge) but she won't budge, so rather than lose the set, I go over to her. My boss comes over to try to game her friend, but she's not interested. Boss is a millionnaire, but he's VERY short and much older than her. He's like maybe 50? She was 19 lol. The one i'm talking too is Polish and kinda hot, but she's too old for me to really really want to bang her (35 I think) I take her number for the sake of it and we move on.

In a bar now with a different colleague. Average looking .25. He opened a 2-set and was like ''Hey guys, how's your night going??'' and they just looked at him and then at each other. He carried on ''I thought i'd come over and say 'hi' quickly, what are your names?'' and again they just look at him and then look away. He's like ''Errr....It's ok. I'm just being friendly. This isn't a robbery!!
Smile
'' and one of them just nods her head in a sarcastic way. He's like ''Do you speak English?!!'' and she's like 'yeah' and then she literally turns her back towards him and then her friend grabs her and they walk away. Tough crowd!! haha

I then spot a girl I banged from cold approach ages ago, and she's witth 3 friends. We are all dancing and stuff, and one of her friends (who is too young to be there. 17!!!) stars flirting with me whilst the other girl (who I banged ages ago) is in the bathroom. She tells me to kiss her lol. I realise that it's just to hurt the other girl. They're kind of 'Frienemies' I guess!! Anyway, she almost passed out within minutes of trying to get me to kiss her and all of the girl were escorted out by the bouncers lol. I called it a day at that point

Hopefully out for a big one on Saturday
 

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Went to Brighton (UK) on the weekend. It was full of hot, half naked girls, so tonnes of girls too approach (I recommend it for any UK guys!), but honestly very little to write about unfortunately.

Initially me and the guys I was with done some AA exercises and were trying to get girls to dance with us on the street. Me and one dude got lots of rejections/weird faces, and the 3rd guy (very handsome indeed. Looks like a young Dicaprio) killed us lol. He was getting numbers and young girls throwing themselves at him.

I got one girl to dance with me and I told her she was cute and she gave me her number.

I hit on a group of girls on the beach. The one I liked was a professional model whose been in music vids for Greenday and a few others. Solid 8.5. She also had a hot sister. Cold read, tease, ask questions etc etc, but No luck (although the sister fancied my handsome, 'Dicaprio' friend despite not really talking lol)

Then went bar hopping and made maybe 15 approaches or so, mainly around the bar area or on the dancefloor, but no bites. Mainly just insta-rejections or just opening girls who weren't really interested

Part of the reason I went is becuause the 2 guys I went with work with 2 hot girls who I was hoping to try my luck with, but DiCaprio has already banged them BOTH so he didn't want to see them as he said it'd be awkward, and so I never got to meet them.

I Got a call from the girl whose number I got earlier on the street, but I couldn't hear her in the club, so I rang her back and text her, but she never replied.

Handsome friend pulled a barely legal teenager who he'd met earlier that day and went to go bang her despite the horrific age gape lol (she was stunning to be fair, though)

Other friend made out with a pretty girl who I thought was like 21 but she was actually in her 30's!! He Didn't bang though. She had a boyfriend
 
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Went out last night. Opened a 2-set. Asked who they were. Started teasing one of the girls about her posh accent and stuff. Cold read them about their jobs and we had a fun little convo. We wanted to go too a different bar and they wanted to stay so I said ‘maybe i’ll bump into you later’ and left.

I then get a text from the girl I cold approached 3 weeks back who I kissed : imgur.com/a/y0USjdZ

I’m trying to arrange to meet her as I really wanna bang her, but it’s hard and she’s messing me around as she’s on a works night out thing.

I open a few more sets. Couple of fast rejections. Some girls (especially very young hot ones) simply don’t wanna give you a shot sometimes. It is what it is.

I then bump into the 2 set from earlier in a different bar. Later now. I open them at the bar and tease them about followning me and we banter a bit, I isolate my one a little more and ask her some stuff and I’m sensing clear interest. I do some push-pull stuff and then I start to kind of rub her ***** with my leg as we dance and she’s into it. She can’t hear what i’m saying though and it’s winding me up so I take her outside and as we’re talking I grab her and position myself so my back is leaning against the wall and put her handsome around me. After a while I go for the kiss

I get a text from the girl in the pic saying that she is now in a gay bar down the road and that she has to go home soon sad Shame.

I forget her and carry on with my girl. I’m trying to keep her friend amused and her friend tells me that she’s happy to sleep in the lounge if I wanna bang her friend lol

So I tell my girl to invite me to her house shortly after lol. I’m like ”I’m out of money. Drinks are free at your house! Take me there!!”” She laughs and tells me ‘fine’ and then she pays for a cab for me and her friend to go back to her flat. It’s quite a nice place actually. She’s only like 24.

We all drink on the balcony and then I just lead her into the bedroom and bang her for over an hour.

Stayed with her until midday and then left
 

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Not really much of an FR but I was at a wedding this weekend and one of the guests had a beautiful daughter there! Only 19.

Like my 9/10.

I'm not even sure that she was aware how pretty she is, and she was also painfully shy in some respects, to the point that she wouldn't go to the bar to get a drink or ask the wedding/service staff for salt! Social anxiety? However, she was also kind of confident enough to talk and strike up convo with me and a few others whilst we were sitting around and she seemed kind of happy and relaxed, so i'm not sure what the deal is, there tbh! (maybe just a specific type of social anxiety or something)

Anyway, my issue was that I feel my conversation skills are just lacking in terms of making a more emotional impact, maybe? And after I'd asked her a few things about herself I just felt like i'd ran out of things to say. But also, I couldn't find a way to escalate the vibe at all, really

Like I need some little lines and routines in order to accomplish things like spiking her emotions, flirting, showing intent, teasing etc etc

I was at the bar with her and I tried to remember to tease her when the opportunity came up, asked her about her hobbies and how she planned to go travelling and shared some of my own stories etc, but I was never sensing any attraction from her and didn't just want to blurt out that I thought she was cute half way through the convo - I wanted it to be smoother, but I wasn't able to think of a way too achieve this. Seems especially hard when I don't sense any attraction from the girl

I can only seem to do this when i'm getting strong IOI's, in which case, it all just seems to happen fairly effortlessly

Do you have any tips in terms of lines, routines, conversational tricks etc to try to escalate the convo and kind of test the waters in these situations?

Kind of feel her out a bit - I'm wondering if simply bringing up the topic of dating could have helped, in hindsight.

I guess there's also the possibility that I didn't do much wrong and I just wasn't her physical type, and bearing in mind she's not replied to my friend request, I think there's a fair chance that could be the case, although I know I could still improve
 

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edit: I've since spoken to her on facebook and I feel better now because I I'm now pretty sure that I never stood a shot with her so I don't feel that 'regret' anymore about not just making a move on her and telling her she's cute, so that's good. Saved myself a rejection. My instincts always seem to be on the money in fairness! On to the next lol

(ps - still interested in replies from the prior post though, for next time)
 

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Good journal. Reading this reminds me of how little I have cold approached in the last few years. Spending way too much money in the club and consequently battling hangovers smh. Keep up the journal!

Do you have any tips in terms of lines, routines, conversational tricks etc to try to escalate the convo and kind of test the waters in these situations?

Kind of feel her out a bit - I'm wondering if simply bringing up the topic of dating could have helped, in hindsight.
Dating questions can be a good way to steer the convo to test the waters. One that I often use is "Oh you are from <insert town A>? I am from <insert town B>. What is dating like here for ya?"

Another option is to tell stories or talk about more risque topics under the guise of a 'friend'.
"Man I had a friend who got trashed at a wedding. He disappeared for an hour and was the best man and so we were waiting for him to do the toast. We started searching for him and apparently the father in law found him in the broom closet with one of the bridesmaids and he said it was quite an eyeful what they were doing!"

Something random/subtle like that can test the waters without personally crossing the line. If she seems judgmental about the situation, then you can agree with her that the best man was acting crazy (and also realize that she is kind of a prude or just not into you). On the other hand if she is laughing her ass off or maintaining a lot of eye contact during the convo, then that means that at the least she is not a prude. You can then transition to other risque topics with her/yourself potentially.
 
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Open 1 - Decide to go indirect with somme old school game. 2 hot girls are the bar. Very young. I false time constraint and Ask them an opinion opener and get a muted response. Follow up the opener for a bit but they aren't biting. Make a few cold reads and ask them what they're up too tonight and stuff, but they aren't playing ball. Either super shy or hate me lol. I've made some cold reads, asked some questions, made some comments etc, but they seem like they really want me to leave and I don't want to make them uncomfortable and I eject here

thoughts: Nothing I could have done to change that result really. Body language etc was all good. They were hard 'no girls' and there was no physical attraction from them so I was just spinning my wheels.

Open 2 - Open 2 girls who are standing near the dance area and tease them about being scared to be one of the first on the dance floor. They smile. I ask their names. We chat a little. One of them has a boyfriend and isn't my type. The other is single. I make some observations about her and I tell her she's cute and she says thanks. They are headed out on some private works function. I ask the one I like for her number and she gives it, although from experience night game numbers are super flakey

Thoughts: She was a 'maybe girl'. Done about as good as can be expected. I Didn't have much time to build lots of comfort due to the works things. Showed my intent etc. Decent approach

Open 3 - Open a very hot young girl near the bar and just say 'hi' and smile. She looks at me like i'm an Alien lol. She's about to spin around and I quickly tell her 'it's OK, i'm not crazy. I just thought you were cute and wanted to say 'hi''. She tells me i'm not her type and briskly walks away lol

Thoughts: Hard 'no girl'. Nothing one could have done. I simply wasn't her physical type. Can't win 'em all.

Open 4 - Open a girl next to me with a random comment as we're looking at the same thing. She didn't look freaked out or anything (as lots of girls are when a stranger talks to them here lol) and she talks back. However, in the moment, my mind just seemed to go blank and the set fizzled out super fast

Thoughts: This was my fault! I think she was a 'maybe girl', most likely. I ****ed up. I was to in my head and filtering out things to NOT say in case I bored her or whatever which then left me with nothing to say in the moment. Not sure why that happened, lol. She was very pretty

Open 5: Open a girl on the dancefloor with a silly direct opener 'think I told her to marry me or something!' lol. She was young. SHe said 'wait there' and walked away. I thought this was a rejection and i'd never see her again, but she returned about 2 mins later and started dancing with me. I started kissing her fairly soon after. A little while after she again said 'wait there a minute' and I never saw her again lol

tohughts: She certainly wasn't a 'no girl' which means I have to take some blame. I think I went for the kiss too soon without building any comfort at all. Should have also moved her outside or something to meet her friends

Open 7: Open a really hot girl with a comment on her jacket and then introduce myself. She looks a bit confused. I tease her about how she looks like she's never spoken too a stranger before and she smiles, but it's a smile whereby she's being polite but still thinks this is weird! haha. I make a cold read and she shakes her head. I ask her some questions and she's giving me very little back. I try to DHV a little. She hasn't asked me anything back yet and it's feeling super one-sided. At this point she gives the old 'nice to meet you' thing and ejects

Thoughts: She was a 'no girl'. I can usually sense if there's any physical attraction from her end within a second or 2. It's in the eyes! I don't think any amount of game would have changed that interaction for a better result. I wasn't her type. You can't bed 'no girls' as mak manson says

Open 7: On the dancefloor a girl kind of bumps into me. I grab her and smile and shake my head playfull as if i'm mad at her for being clumsy. She laughs and walks in my space and I grab her and we dance. I try to ask her some stuff but it's loud. I lead her outside and we go to the outside bare area and I ask her who she's with and stuff. I tell her she's cute and she starts flirting back and we kiss. Her friend comes outside and I befriend her and I appear to get her approval. We all drink and stuff together, but they are both staying at another girls house. I manage to get in a cab with them, but the girl whose house it is doesn't want me staying there banging her friend and I don't have the logistics tonight to take her anywhere. I get her number, She's been txting lots and I think I have an easy shot with her, tbh

Thoughts: She was a 'yes girl', I think. She was physically attracted. Logistics were an issue, though.
 

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Opened a hot girl with amazing legs at the bar with a situational opener that I was gifted (some guy threw his pint glass at the barman because the barman wouldn’t serve this guys drunk girlfriend). Opened her about that. Laughed with her. Teased her. Done a little cold read and asked her who she was with. She was with a group of coke head guys who were playing pool a few meters away and she went back to them after getting served as she was buying their drinks.

Went too a different bar. Opened a 4 set. All really tall! Pretty. Older than my ideal. Opened with an opinion opener. Haven’t used them in a while but this one was based on an actual convo me and my wing were having and it opened the set quite nicely (although not sure it would have opened the set if my wing was replaced with someone else lol). We all get talking, ask them about themselves, and within a minute 2 of them are talking about how hot my wing is lol. One of them is kind of using a push-pull line actually! Said something about how he’s too short for her, but she’s very attracted and that he’s ‘gorgeous’. I keep it playful and tell the girls that he’s always been the handsome one and I try to game the 3rd girl who is actually the prettiest one. She’s very receptive and talkative, but I don’t sense attraction. At this point the girls are deciding which one of them is gonna bang my friend (he’s at the bar getting the beers in. Little do they know that none of them have a shot)

A few mins later I go to the bathroom and on the way there, I spot a 3 set. I’m adjusting my jeans on the way to the bathroom and I see her kind of notice this, and I say to her ”Paid £50 for these jeans and i’ve got a fivers worth stuck up my ass” and she laughs. I high 5 her and walk to the bathroom. She’s like a 6 maybe. Come out 2 mins later and she’s kind of looking in my direction again so I walk towards her and open her. She’s with 2 friends. One of them is gorgeous. I ask how they all know each other and stuff. One of them asks who i’m with and I point to my wing and she’s now begging me to bring him over. I tease her and then go back to my wing with the idea of getting him to leave the girls he’s speaking with and joining me with the other girls but get a bit sidetracked with conversation with these tall girls.

10 mins later and the girl I opened earlier (bathroom girl) walks past me and slaps my arse but didn’t break stride. Few mins later I see her again walked past me, with her friends this time, like they are leaving. I say ‘HEY!” and she walks back and tell me ”You never came back!!! :)” I ignore it and we chat for a few seconds and then I tell her to put her number in my phone which she does. (Tall girls saw this and called me a ‘player’ lol)

Tall girls make one final play for my friend, tell him again that he’s hot and she’s attracted and kind of ask if he wants to come back with her, but he blows her off and they leave.

Go too a different bar – open a girl who is much more my type. 19. blonde. Really pretty. Open her with a comment on her trainers. I’m asking her questions in a breaking rapport fashion a bit like Julien’s advice for how to ‘hook’ after opening. Play around with her answers a bit and break rapport etc, and dhv, but she got distracted by some guys she knows and before I knew it she was in the middle of a group of 5 dudes lol..

I spot bathroom girl. Re-open. Chat. I Decide that i’m not really a fan of her personality and she’s not all that hot and my wing thought he saw her kissing some guy a few mins earlier too, and i’m not into it.

I spot bathroom girls much hotter friend although I have a famously AWFUL memory and in the moment I thought it was another girl I might have met a few weeks prior (similar face) so I say ‘Hey, do we know each other?’ And she’s like ”yeah, you were hitting on my friend earlier in xbar”. She looks kinda pissed about something actually and kind of hostile. Looked flustered. And she’s hanging around the bottom of the stairs by herself like she’s in the middle of something. Argument with a friend or something. Who knows. I should have tried to plow here, but I ejected (my fault. Bad habit I have when girls don’t seem to want to talk)

A girl I used to go to school with opens me. I chat with her and then sit with her friends. At this point my wing has gone. I’m solo. We all chat. I start chatting to the girl next to me. She’s ok looking. Not amazing. It starts off well and i’m’ cold reading and telling stories about how I now the mutual friend we have etc. 2 girls are about to leave and ask the girl i’m talking too if she is coming and she’s like ‘nah, i’m gonna stay here for a bit’. I’m thinking it’s looking good. Shortly after though, it just seemed to die. Definitely my fault as I kind of just felt like i’d ‘ran out of things to say’. It went quiet for too long and just seemed to kill the mood lol. I didn’t have that issue at all with the tall girl. I think I struggle if the other person isn’t talkative.

Spot an absolute stunner (my 9) sitting down with a friend and she’s wearing a sachet in a tiny pink dress and is celebrating her 18th birthday. I ***** out of the approach !!! grrrrr

Bit drunk by this point and it’s annoying as there was definitely another interaction in there somewhere which was my best one of teh night in terms of I remember definitely feeling attraction from the girl for the 1st time that night, and she was quite cute. It was the only interaction with actual flirting. I think it was shortly before I spoke to the girl who was the friend from school. Just half memories. Think I opened her at the bar, chatted. Teased and showed some intent and stuff and she flirted back. She ejected when some people she knew came in though, but a few times she was looking at me and smiling and I could tell I had a shot at least. Just have half memories and am not sure why I didn’t re-approach!


Thoughts:
Still struggle to 'hook' in most interactions. Feel like I need some sort of 'routines' or better things to say to be less boring but every example I find online is super cringey (and when I try it, it bombs)
Running out of things to say - happened in the last set. Annoying.
Need to escalate and show some intent in the sets that aren't over super fast. Assume attraction, basically. I tend to want to wait for obvious attraction (mystery said to not show intent until they do, but they never do! SO I guess the model is open - banter - and then show intent/tell her she's cute/get physcial etc)
 

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Opened a hot girl with amazing legs at the bar with a situational opener that I was gifted (some guy threw his pint glass at the barman because the barman wouldn’t serve this guys drunk girlfriend). Opened her about that. Laughed with her. Teased her. Done a little cold read and asked her who she was with. She was with a group of coke head guys who were playing pool a few meters away and she went back to them after getting served as she was buying their drinks.

Went too a different bar. Opened a 4 set. All really tall! Pretty. Older than my ideal. Opened with an opinion opener. Haven’t used them in a while but this one was based on an actual convo me and my wing were having and it opened the set quite nicely (although not sure it would have opened the set if my wing was replaced with someone else lol). We all get talking, ask them about themselves, and within a minute 2 of them are talking about how hot my wing is lol. One of them is kind of using a push-pull line actually! Said something about how he’s too short for her, but she’s very attracted and that he’s ‘gorgeous’. I keep it playful and tell the girls that he’s always been the handsome one and I try to game the 3rd girl who is actually the prettiest one. She’s very receptive and talkative, but I don’t sense attraction. At this point the girls are deciding which one of them is gonna bang my friend (he’s at the bar getting the beers in. Little do they know that none of them have a shot)

A few mins later I go to the bathroom and on the way there, I spot a 3 set. I’m adjusting my jeans on the way to the bathroom and I see her kind of notice this, and I say to her ”Paid £50 for these jeans and i’ve got a fivers worth stuck up my ass” and she laughs. I high 5 her and walk to the bathroom. She’s like a 6 maybe. Come out 2 mins later and she’s kind of looking in my direction again so I walk towards her and open her. She’s with 2 friends. One of them is gorgeous. I ask how they all know each other and stuff. One of them asks who i’m with and I point to my wing and she’s now begging me to bring him over. I tease her and then go back to my wing with the idea of getting him to leave the girls he’s speaking with and joining me with the other girls but get a bit sidetracked with conversation with these tall girls.

10 mins later and the girl I opened earlier (bathroom girl) walks past me and slaps my arse but didn’t break stride. Few mins later I see her again walked past me, with her friends this time, like they are leaving. I say ‘HEY!” and she walks back and tell me ”You never came back!!! :)” I ignore it and we chat for a few seconds and then I tell her to put her number in my phone which she does. (Tall girls saw this and called me a ‘player’ lol)

Tall girls make one final play for my friend, tell him again that he’s hot and she’s attracted and kind of ask if he wants to come back with her, but he blows her off and they leave.

Go too a different bar – open a girl who is much more my type. 19. blonde. Really pretty. Open her with a comment on her trainers. I’m asking her questions in a breaking rapport fashion a bit like Julien’s advice for how to ‘hook’ after opening. Play around with her answers a bit and break rapport etc, and dhv, but she got distracted by some guys she knows and before I knew it she was in the middle of a group of 5 dudes lol..

I spot bathroom girl. Re-open. Chat. I Decide that i’m not really a fan of her personality and she’s not all that hot and my wing thought he saw her kissing some guy a few mins earlier too, and i’m not into it.

I spot bathroom girls much hotter friend although I have a famously AWFUL memory and in the moment I thought it was another girl I might have met a few weeks prior (similar face) so I say ‘Hey, do we know each other?’ And she’s like ”yeah, you were hitting on my friend earlier in xbar”. She looks kinda pissed about something actually and kind of hostile. Looked flustered. And she’s hanging around the bottom of the stairs by herself like she’s in the middle of something. Argument with a friend or something. Who knows. I should have tried to plow here, but I ejected (my fault. Bad habit I have when girls don’t seem to want to talk)

A girl I used to go to school with opens me. I chat with her and then sit with her friends. At this point my wing has gone. I’m solo. We all chat. I start chatting to the girl next to me. She’s ok looking. Not amazing. It starts off well and i’m’ cold reading and telling stories about how I now the mutual friend we have etc. 2 girls are about to leave and ask the girl i’m talking too if she is coming and she’s like ‘nah, i’m gonna stay here for a bit’. I’m thinking it’s looking good. Shortly after though, it just seemed to die. Definitely my fault as I kind of just felt like i’d ‘ran out of things to say’. It went quiet for too long and just seemed to kill the mood lol. I didn’t have that issue at all with the tall girl. I think I struggle if the other person isn’t talkative.

Spot an absolute stunner (my 9) sitting down with a friend and she’s wearing a sachet in a tiny pink dress and is celebrating her 18th birthday. I ***** out of the approach !!! grrrrr

Bit drunk by this point and it’s annoying as there was definitely another interaction in there somewhere which was my best one of teh night in terms of I remember definitely feeling attraction from the girl for the 1st time that night, and she was quite cute. It was the only interaction with actual flirting. I think it was shortly before I spoke to the girl who was the friend from school. Just half memories. Think I opened her at the bar, chatted. Teased and showed some intent and stuff and she flirted back. She ejected when some people she knew came in though, but a few times she was looking at me and smiling and I could tell I had a shot at least. Just have half memories and am not sure why I didn’t re-approach!


Thoughts:
Still struggle to 'hook' in most interactions. Feel like I need some sort of 'routines' or better things to say to be less boring but every example I find online is super cringey (and when I try it, it bombs)
Running out of things to say - happened in the last set. Annoying.
Need to escalate and show some intent in the sets that aren't over super fast. Assume attraction, basically. I tend to want to wait for obvious attraction (mystery said to not show intent until they do, but they never do! SO I guess the model is open - banter - and then show intent/tell her she's cute/get physcial etc)
I admire how you can write about how girls treat you vs your hot wing, concluding with things like this "Tall girls make one final play for my friend, tell him again that he’s hot and she’s attracted and kind of ask if he wants to come back with her, but he blows her off and they leave." and then still keep going like a duracell rabbit with the pua stuff lol. You're determined to play the numbers game at least which you definitely have going for you, I don't think most guys are.... and of course you've nailed some of them in the past so you know it can pay off eventually.
 

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Went to Brighton to see a gig

In a bar before hand and there’s 3 girls. All average. Use it to warm up and approach them and tell them they look kinca grungy and ask if they’re going to the gig. They laugh. I tease one about her boots (they’re super unusual. Brighton is a very ‘quirky’ area!). My friend joins the set. I pic the one I like and cold read her and she tells me she’s Spanish. I say something like ”Is it true what they say about Spanish girls?” (kind of throwing some bait) and she hooks and is like what??! ”What do they say?!!” I smile at her and then turn to her friend and comment on her drink. The Spanish one is tapping me and I turn back to her and banter a little. My friend seems to be doing OK too. However, a bench nearby became free as a group got up to leave, and one of the girls just grabbed her friends wrists and literally marched them over to the seats without saying anything lol. Was mildly shocked as the set seemed to be going well! We obviously could have followed them but seemed needy (they certainly didn’t invite us lol) pluss it was only a warm up set and none of them were amazingly hot

Then we go to the gig. There’s quite a few hot girls in there but they’re all seemingly with their BF's, plus it was loud as hell!

I opened one very hot girl kinda directly, but she just pointed at her boyfriend as if to say ‘Sorry, i’m with him” lol

I went to the bar area and there’s 2 girls. I opened with a tease about them not being able to handle the mosh pit inside the venue and it gets a laugh and they’re both receptive. Again, these 2 aren’t that hot and they’re my age. I like much younger lol. But the set went well. They were asking lots of questions. I played around and went kinda sexual and set that kind of frame and one of them started using ToddV type lines on me lol (calling me ‘trouble’ and doing some kind of ‘push-pull’ stuff). My wingman is the only person I know in real life whose heard about ‘game’. He introduced me to the mysterymethod! However, he’s actually never really had any success with cold approach. But he’s engaging these girls. The girls offer to buy us a drink (generous. Venue is expensive!) but our other friends want to leave now to go toto another bar before we have to catch the last train

On the way out I spot a very pretty, curly haired girl. I open her about her hair. Just ramble and flirt and again she’s fairly receptive. I’m starting to think that it’s more a ‘Brighton’ thing where girls are much friendlier than the places I tend to go! I felt like I was opening with the same ‘vibe’ and words as usual, but usually I get much worse reactions. Super strange. Me and this girl are chatting but soon after some guy comes in and kisses her on the cheek and kinda pulls her away. (probably BF)

On the way to the bar and there’s 2 blonde STUNNERS sitting by themselves on a bench with nobody around them. They’re also dressed up in haloween clothes. Both 18. both 9’s. I open them and just ask why they’re sitting around like a couple of zombies and what they’re up too and again they’re surprisingly receptive and friendly. I say a few things and make them laugh. However, my friends are calling me from across the road saying we need to go into the bar together as he’s reserved a place or something and I leave the girls. I don’t know why I didn’t ask them to come with me. They were straight up gorgeous.

Go into the new bar. We only have 25 mins left before we need to go. I’m in the beer garden and 2 pretty girls (8’s) stand near me. I open them and just say ‘Who are you?!’ and yet again they are both really receptive, turn towards me and smile and start speaking. I detect their accents (French) and start playing around a little. Pretend to be able to speak French. The one who is giving me IOI’s is 20 and is the hottest. Her friend is like 17 with a fake ID. Gives me more material to banter about. Set is going really well. All of my friends are watching but don’t come to wing me though. I showed a little more intent in this set. Made it clear which one i was into too. I had to leave though, so told her to put my number in her phone as I go to Brighton sometimes and we could meet up. I tell her my number, give her a peck on the cheek and leave.

I realised after that i’m an idiot and should have got HER number. However, When I was in the train, she text me saying ‘Changed my mind. I don’t wanna go home now. What bar are you at?”. Told her I was in a train on my way home. She then text me again basically saying it was fun meeting me and she’d be happy to go out with me when i’m next there. Don’t know if anything will come of it, but i’ll shoot her a text around the time i’m next there anyway.

Not unhappy with the night. No harsh insta rejections that I remember. No awkward interactions really and my sticking points didn’t seem as pronounced last night. I think it’s more about the location, though

edit: Not quite true. Just remembered one more set on my way home in the train. Some girl moved her stuff for me so that I could sit down. Youngish. Pretty face, but a bit chubby. I open her and chat, and I decide to go more direct in this set and ‘lay it on pretty thick’ as we say here! She kinda shoots me down and I remain playful and unaffected, and she carries on asking me things and talking, despite rejecting me. I carry on chatting. I don’t have long as I have to get off at the next stop! I know some guys get results with really direct game and I try one more time and hit her with some ‘Russel Brand’ style game (I saw a vid once of him gaming some girl in a similar situation and he was like ”Look, we’ll be old one day. Are you gonna regret the time you went home with that handsome English man with nice hair?!!! I doubt it!”’ lol. She shot me down again, though. Probably didn’t help that my friends were all close by, tbh!

Hometime. Was fun
 
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