A different perspective

[Burnout92]

http://tinyurl.com/zxsu9tl

Interesting read. Honestly makes more sense than 99% of the stuff here.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Bad link.

 

[Burnout92]

Fixed

 

[Burnout92]

Disclaimer. Yeah I know the survey doesn't make much sense, everything else is solid

 

[PeasantPlayer]

That was a very short sighted and unmotivated article.

First he uses statistics from survey to highlight his point, then he uses anecdotes. Statistics are unreliable and people lie on them all the time." Well this female said I am experienced and she only been with 3 guys ever" He implies this proves his point women are not that promiscuous, while I do agree some of these guys like roosh might be targeting sexually frustrated men by selling books and their viewpoints about women may be a bit harsh. If I were to provide my anecdotes it would be completely different. People are having sex left and right with out protection, orgies in seedy hotels, trains being ran on 1 or 2 female....its happening. When I was going out with my boys to bars and clubs one night stands happened often, if it wasn't me it was with someone else in the group. It was pretty even..... Even ran in to a swingers club and they were all casually making out with each other and grouping each other (Was about 15 of them) Some of the dudes looked like hipster pussies to. People in general are getting laid. I banged some chick from a bar, and know she is dating and banging 2 acquaintances I know. I got more anecdotes, but you see where this is going

This article comes from a very naive person

 

[Burnout92]

That was a very short sighted and unmotivated article.

First he uses statistics from survey to highlight his point, then he uses anecdotes. Statistics are unreliable and people lie on them all the time." Well this female said I am experienced and she only been with 3 guys ever" He implies this proves his point women are not that promiscuous, while I do agree some of these guys like roosh might be targeting sexually frustrated men by selling books and their viewpoints about women may be a bit harsh. If I were to provide my anecdotes it would be completely different. People are having sex left and right with out protection, orgies in seedy hotels, trains being ran on 1 or 2 female....its happening. When I was going out with my boys to bars and clubs one night stands happened often, if it wasn't me it was with someone else in the group. It was pretty even.....

This article comes from a very naive person

Ah, but that's the availability heuristic. You and your boys smashed girls at the bar all the time so surely all girls will bang strangers

 

[Trainwreck]

According to the puas and manoshpere, every guy in a relationship/marriage is either getting cheated on or waiting on a ticking time bomb.

 

[fastlife]

Can't speak for the sexual norms of Europe--but in the U.S. in 2016 these numbers don't add up for me. And, of course, promiscuity is on a sliding scale; but for a 'sexually conservative' girl (relative) her timeline most likely looks like the following:

• Age 16: Loses virginity to first 'real' bf.
• Age 17-18: Break up with first real bf. 1 or 2 rebounds/flings that don't stick.
• Age 18-19: Freshman year of college or first year in the work force (usually restaurant): 2-3 partners, possible one night stands. High SMV guys in college don't commit; first exposure to guys with developed game in restaurants. So we're already at about 4-6 partners.
• Age 19-21: 2nd serious relationship. Usually ends around the time she turns 21. Add a 2-3 new partners post break up. Partayyy! So 6-9.
• Age 21-24: Possibly a serious relationship, but mostly focused on establishing career and reclaiming her image--expect Facebook posts talking about 'Real men this' and possibly renewed interest in religion. Probably at least a guy or 2 for each year. Sooo 9-15.
• Age 25: Married.

Plenty of girls will lose their virginity earlier than that (13-14), usually to an older guy. Might be pumped and dumped through high school & go super hard in college. Could easily hit the 20 mark before she turns 20. And even some of these girls I've watched do a lane change and 'not be that type of girl.'

In either case, during a self-reported survey these girls would have too much cognitive dissonance to give their real number.

I'd guess in America by age 20, the mean # of sexual partners would be closer to 8; % still virgins maybe 5%.

 

[Serenity]

Not really a different perspective for me, I do agree to the point in the article. I strongly dislike Roosh, that guy is just doing whatever for attention (which brings money).

The mean values are moderate, but smaller or larger areas can deviate drastically from that mean. This leads to one guy experiencing little sex around and another experiencing that there's sex all over the place.

This guy is attacking the extreme views found within the manosphere, the claims found there are indeed exaggerated a lot. A woman doesn't lose all sexual market value when passing 30, that's just an absurd statement. 10% of the guys who supposedly fvck 90% of the women would be sick and fvcking tired of sex if they did it that much, they'd quit pretty fast. That one is unfathomable to a guy who rarely or never has sex because their mindset is basically saying "I will never get enough". It sounds exhausting to me and I wouldn't want to be in that hypothetical 10% even if I got paid for it.

Saying that 90% of women are slvts can't possibly be close to being true. I'm not even sure if as many as 90% of women below 30 has even had sex, or at least more than one partner.

I cannot sympathize with the manosphere, the feminists, the PUA's or other jaded groups of people. I intend on keeping my mind clear of that toxic sh!t.

 

[PeasantPlayer]

Ah, but that's the availability heuristic. You and your boys smashed girls at the bar all the time so surely all girls will bang strangers

You're just proving my point

 

[PeasantPlayer]

90 percent of women may not be sluts, but 90 percent might possibly be sexually active, IMO Everybody banging everybody lol

 

[Trainwreck]

Now that I think of it, the manoshpere is kind of like a religious cult. The manoshpere uses so many preconceive notions to make it seem like every other person is damned unless they follow the manoshpere ideology. Every woman is a lying slut. Every guy in a relationship is getting cheated on lol. No man is safe from danger unless he swallows the red pill and follows the manosphere ideology. Last, they act like men are innocent human beings that are victims of feminism and liberalism.

 

[wifehunter]

Statistics??? wtf?

 

[Glassguy]

According to the puas and manoshpere, every guy in a relationship/marriage is either getting cheated on or waiting on a ticking time bomb.

Once you grow up and look around you, that is the norm nowadays and not the exception.

Things go wrong in a LTR/marriage and social media has made it so easy for either party to reach out for attention. The next thing you know their panties are on backwards as they come home to their loving husband who worked all day to put food on the table and a $50K SUV in the driveway of their new home.

Look around you. The cheating % is outrageous. Those who do walk down the isle face a devastating divorce rate.

Think of 10 couples that you know VERY well.

How many do you know for certain have cheated on their spouse (either side)? How many couples broke up last year that you were friends with? Of those, there was probably someone else in the picture every time.

I dont want to sound like a pessimist because I am not. I am a realist. I am not saying there are not good, loyal women out there because there is. I am saying that if you really pay attention to how much cheating exists in today's world, its no shocker that alpha men act the way they do.

Reality gets you to a point that nothing really surprises you. Nothing. Its not a bad way to be, nobody is saying that you can't be in a great relationship and take advantage of the great things that can come from it.

Mentally be strong enough to not let it surprise you when/if it blows up. Thats all I'm saying. Too many men dont see it coming or dont think it could happen and end up traumatized when it does.

 

[sazc]

Now that I think of it, the manoshpere is kind of like a religious cult. The manoshpere uses so many preconceive notions to make it seem like every other person is damned unless they follow the manoshpere ideology. Every woman is a lying slut. Every guy in a relationship is getting cheated on lol. No man is safe from danger unless he swallows the red pill and follows the manosphere ideology. Last, they act like men are innocent human beings that are victims of feminism and liberalism.

I follow what you are saying and I do see this from some posters on this site, but not all. Roughly, it feels like a 30/30/30 split with the remaining 10 being new to the site, and too green to know what category they want to be in/fit in. There are men who genuinely want to develop self esteem and up their game, there are men who are (seem to be) gaming like a DJ and want to report on their adventures, get feedback and continue to grow, and there are men who are MGTOW/red pill and want to convince all other men that women are lying slvts and not to be trusted, you'll never find a gem, just use them and and toss.

Keep reading and you'll figure out who is who. There's a lot of good info on here, you dont have to drink the kool aid that every person offers..

 

[sazc]

@Mauser96 Thanks for the quality post. That is a rarity and a treat!