80% of our problems with women would disappear if we would just...

[AttackFormation]

Women will fake a high IL by habit to get orbiters wittingly or unwittingly and there are social experiments to prove it. The men who talked to them had no idea and thought the girls were enjoying themselves and into them. They fake orgasms. They wear fake up. Even their biology has evolved to fake out males so they look like they're always ovulating. I think the best IOI is her behavior, not her flirting. She keeps the conversation going, she asks you to meet and is prepared to go as long as or longer than you to see each other, she is upfront about herself. And then you've got all the cases beyond that when the woman's flirting is simply part of her job or career climbing.

 

[corrector]

Every time you are worried about interpreting a particular woman's IL, you are neglecting abundance mentality. There is nothing to interpret when you have it.

If there is always someone you can reach out to for that booty call, if you can go out on a date with someone new any night of the week that you want to, if you can place an ad online and women are messaging you rather than the other way around, you are not going to sit there and try to determine whether or not any one particular woman's IL is genuine or faked.

You are always going to deal with women who follow through.

Those who do not will always fall to the wayside very quickly, and you won't give two sh*ts about it.

IMO, there is no such thing as an interpretation problem. It's a problem of abundance.

If a man is not happy with the typical women he attracts, he is not going to have an abundance mentality without compromising his sexual interest and standards on women. Most guys would rather not do that. So, as an alternative, these guys end up focusing on those occasional women that might come along that they are attracted to but do not normally attract, and this is when they have to wonder about how genuine that IL might actually be:

Is she really into me?
Is she stringing me along as an orbiter?
Is her ratio of initiating contact a sign of her IL
Or am I the one always trying harder?

You just don't worry about that stuff when you have a list of phone numbers of women with higher IL and some follow through. Any woman without a genuine interest will eliminate themselves.

Exactly! Then if this same guy is lucky enough to get into a relationship with one of these women, it's usually the woman initiating the break-up/divorce, or behaving in such a way that the guy has no choice but to break-up/divorce with her and then the lady, who is 99.9% at fault, happily moves-on quickly while the guy feels like the rug is pulled out under him and has nothing to show. He can't get another girl in x,y,z, amount of years because that's not the type of girl he normally attracts making break-ups especially more brutal where they can't get over their ex.

The only way to mimic an abundance mentality was to see hookers after the last divorce. If you can't get a booty call, at least you can set-up one and pay a nominal fee and it's like whatever. Didn't expect that type of reaction I got from it though. All I know my thoughts were on the escort and my reaction and forgot about my ex-wife and was worried about losing my mind and soul instead, so that is like abundance mentality.

 

[Roober]

To be honest, I dont think indicators of interest are always as clear as you suggest. The whole concept has so many variables, which makes it near impossible to consider. And to be honest, they confuse the hell out of men. When you couple that with mens lack of empathy, narcissism, and a lack of interpersonal communication skills, you are headed for disaster.

Some guys will take any sign as a woman who is interested. Many men will mistake a womans friendliness as interest. This can possibly lead to rape for sure where a man is completely unaware that a woman is not interested until he corners her in a bedroom. I am willing to bet many many women have encountered these men.

I would suggest that a man only judges a woman by her actions.
1. Ask for her number. That is usually as clear as day, however, some women consider giving their number out I consequential.

2. Ask for a date and make sure that she is aware it is a date.

3. AFTER building some rapport, go for this kiss.

Actions always speak louder than words and anything else such as IOI, is merely a game. I do agree that more men need to put aside their ego and only pursue women who are interested. She isnt a special snowflake, there is always a better option out there!

 

[Mike32ct]

Also, what's a Chad, is that a player?

A very good looking guy. A male 8+ in looks. May or may not be a player.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Some have mention techniques. Techniques are essentially guidelines and training wheels to get you onto the playing field.

Once you know the "rules" and principles inside and out, and once you know why they exist,, you are free to bend them and break them according to your will.

 

[HankHill]

OK, I'll bite.

1. So what are these 'tools' and 'techniques' ya'll are theorizing about? I mean let's make this thread practical if we want to fix the problems of getting women/plates. I think we all get the basics already i.e. dress well, have confidence, lead etc. What am I missing?

2. I come from a list of several very long LTRs (4yrs to 9+yrs) including marriage/kids etc so spinning plates is a new concept to me. Looking back, I don't have a single regret about any of my relationships. I, even if delusionaly, really enjoyed having that mental, emotional and physical connections with them. My life felt great, tons of memories together, traveling the world, building dreams and achieving many of them. Ultimately they all went bust but the satisfaction and bliss I felt being in those relationships, I don't know if I can ever get that from spinning plates for the rest of my life. May be I'm wired differently than most guys. Regardless, at this stage in my life I'm totally open to spinning plates and see how it goes...never hurts to try something different and see what others are talking about. However, to spin plates you have to collect the plates first, apparently, they don't come by as often for me as they do for most of you guys. So I do invest more in the ones that come along. Also, I don't have the bigdave17 standards lol but I have some standards, I can't do short fatties or crackhoze, I just can't. So how does someone starting out builds a plate rotation? You have to invest a little at first before you adopt the 'train stop' mentality.

Also, the women I was with in the past would never have been ok with me not being available on a daily basis. So to spin plates you're talking a different type of women- who are likely riding the c*ck carousel too. If you're not invested in them they're not invested in you either. So I still haven't felt comfortable with that idea yet, in fact, it's why I broke up with my last gf of 6+yrs who was the best lay I ever had (and likely ever will) because I didn't want my body parts rubbing the scent of another dudes parts. Again, I just find that repulsive. I mean I wish I didn't care but I do lol.

 

[Red Legg]

A very good looking guy. A male 8+ in looks. May or may not be a player.

GOD DAMN..... I am a super Chad then.I am going to have a personalized license plate made saying "CHAD" in big letters to piss all the fvcking worthless incels off.

 

[HankHill]

Spinning plates can be whatever you want it to be. It doesn't mean you have to have sex with multiple women who are also sleeping around. For you, it can simply mean continuously meeting other women for drinks, dates and keeping your options open.

The reason for this is because it is often not ideal for a man to forgo dating other women from the moment he secures a second date with any one of them. The first few months of dating is always going to be a "honeymoon" stage where everyone is on their best behavior, best foot forward, etc. The true nature of a person usually doesn't come to light until several months in, at least. It can be during this time that you may notice, for example, a woman is pretty bad about money management, or something along those lines.

However, after devoting the last 3 months to this woman, a man is more likely going to overlook these things to some extent rather than cut it off with her in better judgement for the sake of his own long term well being. At that point, a man is more likely to continue seeing this woman rather than opt for the alternative: breaking things off to face complete loneliness (due to not meeting other women) to avoid the inevitable problem of that horrendous financial responsibility that may not even be a problem you're dealing with at the moment. A lot of guys will choose to stay instead, because things may be ok for the time being, even when knowing damn well that ugly problem is coming for them down the road.

Bad decisions made just to avoid loneliness....

OK, makes sense. However, I get the impression that spinning plates was the recommended perpetual way of life. Personally speaking, I can see myself spinning plates on a short term basis until I feel attached to someone. For me sex alone isn't enough to feel fully content. I want to actually experience life with someone I feel close to, share my thoughts, life moments, etc with. When I'm old and unable to even have sex I still want to go on walks with someone, share a meal with someone, watch TV with someone rather than living a lonely life. So how do those who spin plates forever see the later years playing out? Do you eventually settle down with someone or no?

Looking back I've always kept my options open initially but after a few months as dating eventually turns into a relationship it's next to impossible to keep dating other women for multiple reasons as I mentioned before and if you could pull it off it's cheating at that point from the perspective of your main squeeze and how long do you keep that up 3 mos, 6 mos, 2 yrs?

 

[RichardTheFrog]

have sex with multiple women who are also sleeping around.

This is what I believe most of the "players" on here are doing. Having sex with girls who are also with other guys.

 

[logicallefty]

This is what I believe most of the "players" on here are doing. Having sex with girls who are also with other guys.

No different than married guys. They too are having sex with girls who are also with other guys. They just don’t know it.

 

[Atom Smasher]

No different than married guys. They too are having sex with girls who are also with other guys. They just don’t know it.

Very well said, my friend.

And even if not physically, then surely emotionally.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Very well said, my friend.

And even if not physically, then surely emotionally.

Is "smiling at you" the only IOI you can think of?

After that, I would assume just escalate asap (within reason) so they know you're not a boring waste of their time.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Is "smiling at you" the only IOI you can think of?

After that, I would assume just escalate asap (within reason) so they know you're not a boring waste of their time.

No. Read my original post again.

 

[zekko]

This is what I believe most of the "players" on here are doing. Having sex with girls who are also with other guys.

That pretty much sums up the hookup culture.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I find thought to be so disgusting. I can’t imagine sticking it in a repository of several other men.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Oh... I thought this was a complete the thought thread...

here's mine -

…. get a grip.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

The bulk of this unnecessary suffering is due to the fact that most of you go after Low Interest women. Time after time, year after year I see men chasing women who have shown either zero, or low interest in them. You are trying to create something out of nothing, and it is very rare that a woman will turn around and be attracted to you after relenting and going out with you on either a pity date or a date where she has no investment in you.
.

How about this. Sort one's self out first and then you go after the woman that you rightly have high interest in.

We need a Copernican revolution here.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

Women will fake a high IL by habit to get orbiters wittingly or unwittingly and there are social experiments to prove it. The men who talked to them had no idea and thought the girls were enjoying themselves and into them. They fake orgasms. They wear fake up. Even their biology has evolved to fake out males so they look like they're always ovulating. I think the best IOI is her behavior, not her flirting. She keeps the conversation going, she asks you to meet and is prepared to go as long as or longer than you to see each other, she is upfront about herself. And then you've got all the cases beyond that when the woman's flirting is simply part of her job or career climbing.

Exactly. Most of these women are looking for attention. Better to only pursue a woman you find interesting on your terms. If that be few and far between, so be it.

 

[Magotrox]

For a beginner it's a very nice advice to gain experience and to become more confident in your game. At first, you must be used to have some success in the lower leagues (as the bigger part of the positive signals of interest will come from lower SMV girls). But when you start to become used to the dynamics, you feel comfortable to try hit higher leagues girls, higher SMV girls. (It is important to say, also, that some girls, especially with high SMV, will emit no signal of interest). At this stage, you realize that girls are, each one, very singular, besides you can find some patterns. You can hit a 8, 9 HB, and, the same you, can be rejected by a 7, 6 HB (or even lower...). So, you understand that girls are subjective beings, and that analyzing, in the end, is not enough (or, even, futile): you have to approach every girl you like, play your best game, and see what happens. Sometimes you'll hit, sometimes not. Become a man insensible to rejection: it is part of the game. Even Brad Pitt can be rejected. Invest your time building yourself the best man you can. And approach every girl you like. Have no fear of rejection. Be used to it. Because "REJECTION IS BETTER THAN REGRET (Pook.)"