sodbuster
Master Don Juan
You spent 24 years getting an education in what you don't want in a woman. Now spend some time to figure out what you DO want,read here and learn how to get it.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Nothing wrong with putting your kids first. A man takes care of his kids.imaluvnit said:Andy
Thank's for letting me know there is hope, But right at this moment it all feels impossible for me to get a normal life everyone tells me it is time for myself, but I find it hard to do as I have spent so many years supporting her and my family for all those years. I always put her and my sons first and my needs came second. I'm trying to act like i'm not mad but is very hard to do, I feel like a disposable lighter, she used me up and just tossed me away like some trash. I'm taking it day by day, what a rollercoaster ride, thank's again.
Looked it up and it doesn't have very good reviews on Amazon, but don't go by those this time around. Glad I dug a little deeper, the ones complaining were the women, so that tells me he did something rightsodbuster said:Mine was only 14 years ad cost 200k. Get her off life ins,bank accounts, everything. Hide some money-overpay for groceries and get the cash back. Read Screw the "female dog" at palladin press-can't think of the author. Be glad she just moved out,could have been worse.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
You are decribing some women's "codependent" style of relating to men who are needy or broken.imaluvnit said:... I'm still nice but the biggest change for me has been the fact the more I act like I need fixing the more attractive I become to them, they seem to want to try and fix guy's or try to change them and the more I don't care the harder they try, I know it's crazy but I'm going to stay with that as long as it continues to work. I don't understand it but i guess I'm not meant to, it is what it is and I love it.
Be wary of women who work with the young, the weak, the disadvantaged, the ill and the damaged. Those women spend at least 8 hours each working with students, patients or 'clients' who all have less power and status that she does. She is dominant.imaluvnit said:My X wife that just left me was a high school administrator, she had to deal with lots of kids everyday and when she would come, she was always in the habit of talking to me like I was one of her students.
Women are highly labile and are open to influence by their peers. They absorb and become their surroundings. I think that it is part of their need to agree with their peers to find a sense of acceptance and community.imaluvnit said:Damn that's awesome you nailed it dude, Thats the s#@t I had to put up with for years. Previous to working with High school kids, my X wife worked with autistic kids, I now can see where the dominant and entitled attitude comes from, I guess I should have been more observant. I'm still learning and luvn'it.
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
I'm not buying it.imaluvnit said:Damn that's awesome you nailed it dude, Thats the s#@t I had to put up with for years. Previous to working with High school kids, my X wife worked with autistic kids, I now can see where the dominant and entitled attitude comes from, I guess I should have been more observant. I'm still learning and luvn'it.
This is a great point.Mr. Me said:>>
I want you to know this: whenever you come across one of these things they say or do that don't make sense to you, understand that the reason it doesn't make sense is because you've been served up bullshyte. A smokescreen to hide the truth. And bullshyte, by definition, doesn't make sense...
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Consideration for others is a noble trait - its shows good character. However habitually placing other's needs and wants ahead of your own is NOT healthy and it is always self defeating in the long run...imaluvnit said:. I'm now just trying to learn how to do things for ME without automatically considering someone else, it's a hard habit to break.
Hell I didn't have to be married to make that mistake. I thought it was obvious that the best way to make a relationship work was reciprocal altruism and that everyone else saw things that way too.jophil28 said:They assume that marriage is a simple equation...an unspoken contract with a like-minded partner..
"IF I do whatever she wants me to do and provide for her wants and wishes then she will reciprocate when the time comes and be open to MY needs. "
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.