"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
1st date with hb10 tonight - IM AN AFC RIGHT NOW, HELP!
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- Start date
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
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Bvbidd, I don't think so, it seems to work for all types.
Lol, Bvbidd, understand something.
These are MY experiences. And it works with nice quiet girls, club/party girls, black, white, anything with a vagina between it's legs.
Not to sound ****y or rude, but 90% of guys here Bvbidd only post information they've heard someone else say. That's why me and that Delta guy was flaming earlier this week. All he's saying is what SOMEONE else said, but YET...he's not USING ANY OF IT. How do I know? Because he says women are enemies and women are NOT GOOD and other AFC bullshyt.
Not to begin a flame again, but I'm just saying. Take the information you get from this site and GO USE IT. Don't just sit around analyzing shyt. If YOU WANT TO ANALYZE SOMETHING....get into business for yourself and analyze your business operations!! Not WOMEN!!
LOL, everybody have a great holiday.
Lol, Bvbidd, understand something.
These are MY experiences. And it works with nice quiet girls, club/party girls, black, white, anything with a vagina between it's legs.
Not to sound ****y or rude, but 90% of guys here Bvbidd only post information they've heard someone else say. That's why me and that Delta guy was flaming earlier this week. All he's saying is what SOMEONE else said, but YET...he's not USING ANY OF IT. How do I know? Because he says women are enemies and women are NOT GOOD and other AFC bullshyt.
Not to begin a flame again, but I'm just saying. Take the information you get from this site and GO USE IT. Don't just sit around analyzing shyt. If YOU WANT TO ANALYZE SOMETHING....get into business for yourself and analyze your business operations!! Not WOMEN!!
LOL, everybody have a great holiday.
Uh DJF - mabye they don't feel like a slut because your a business man offering value or something?
Seriously.. for a normal guy.. in his late teens/early 20s.. nothing will happen.. yes we have tried it.. if he just gets sexual around the girl (even phone sex whatever) nothing happens unless the girl already fvcks around in the first place and is used to it.
Your talking about the club girls.. not a fvcking normal girl who looks for a bf.
Seriously.. for a normal guy.. in his late teens/early 20s.. nothing will happen.. yes we have tried it.. if he just gets sexual around the girl (even phone sex whatever) nothing happens unless the girl already fvcks around in the first place and is used to it.
Your talking about the club girls.. not a fvcking normal girl who looks for a bf.
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And Bvbidd, while you are around here.
You post something that adds to the site.
Hell, maybe you're right, maybe all the chicks I get are just slvts, which are not true but THEY DO get horny as hell when I'm around.
How do you do what you do? You post your experience.....I'm listenin.
You post something that adds to the site.
Hell, maybe you're right, maybe all the chicks I get are just slvts, which are not true but THEY DO get horny as hell when I'm around.
How do you do what you do? You post your experience.....I'm listenin.
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Nooo Bvbidd? The girls are a mix, some are party chicks, some are just good stay at home chicks.
Yeah they are slvts in the bedroom and on the phone when I'm doing my thing, but isn't that what I am supposed to do? When I come in contact with chicks, shouldn't my attraction bring the slvt out of them?
You post something, I want to hear it........
Yeah they are slvts in the bedroom and on the phone when I'm doing my thing, but isn't that what I am supposed to do? When I come in contact with chicks, shouldn't my attraction bring the slvt out of them?
You post something, I want to hear it........
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
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No, I want to hear your experiences. Post.......
I gave you what happens when normal guys try this sh!t.
I have tried as I'm sure many guys have many times and nothing comes of it that's why we went to this site in the first place.
For example that Luke guy if he did that to a normal girl nothing would come of it cuz he's Luke SKywalker.
You probally just look good.
I have tried as I'm sure many guys have many times and nothing comes of it that's why we went to this site in the first place.
For example that Luke guy if he did that to a normal girl nothing would come of it cuz he's Luke SKywalker.
You probally just look good.
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How you sound and the vibe you carry is important. Any guy can do it. I'm a black guy, so when I do it, it's a little different. If you are a white guy, you can do it, in your own way, and it stills goes over.
You just need to think very sexual, be in control of it. It should be all in your body.....girls match this state when you get around them.
This is what I've been trying to tell guys is the "secret" to fvckin a chick if there ever was one.
You guys say it's Masculinity, but again I ask, "WTF is masculinity?" I'll get 1,000 answers.
Just stay dressed nice, try to feel your best all the time, and chase your goals, the YOU part will be fine.
Now, when you get around women, do that sexual state stuff, this leads to you and her fvcking.
After that, after a girl has fvcked you, she won't fvckin leave you alone and you have no choice but to keep her as a friend.
- DJF
You just need to think very sexual, be in control of it. It should be all in your body.....girls match this state when you get around them.
This is what I've been trying to tell guys is the "secret" to fvckin a chick if there ever was one.
You guys say it's Masculinity, but again I ask, "WTF is masculinity?" I'll get 1,000 answers.
Just stay dressed nice, try to feel your best all the time, and chase your goals, the YOU part will be fine.
Now, when you get around women, do that sexual state stuff, this leads to you and her fvcking.
After that, after a girl has fvcked you, she won't fvckin leave you alone and you have no choice but to keep her as a friend.
- DJF
LOL
We all know how to fvck a chick or get her horny when she is already attracted to you.
We come to this site to find out HOW to get her attracted to you in the first place.
These girls you talk about are ALREADY attracted to you.
We come here because no / not the ones we want / or not enough of girls are attracted to us in the first place.
We all know how to fvck a chick or get her horny when she is already attracted to you.
We come to this site to find out HOW to get her attracted to you in the first place.
These girls you talk about are ALREADY attracted to you.
We come here because no / not the ones we want / or not enough of girls are attracted to us in the first place.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
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You know what, Bvbidd? You could be right, but.......
What I've noticed is that when I am not doing my sexual stuff around women, they kind of act a little pissed off to me or like I am bothering them. When I start doing it, they act normal. It's women I know and women I never met before. Even those from online.
Now, I am NOT a Justin Timberlake looking mf'er. But you know what I really think.
I think every guy is already attractive. Remember that D9 girl I was chatting with. She said masculinity is a look, like just a manly look of some sorts...it's like if we were in a grocery store, if I can't tell you are a guy, you need to RAISE your maleness and masculinity.
So.....what if we are already MASCULINE. But it's just that we don't add the sexual state part in? Maybe women are attracted to most of us already, but just want to make sure we like them?
Let's discuss...
What I've noticed is that when I am not doing my sexual stuff around women, they kind of act a little pissed off to me or like I am bothering them. When I start doing it, they act normal. It's women I know and women I never met before. Even those from online.
Now, I am NOT a Justin Timberlake looking mf'er. But you know what I really think.
I think every guy is already attractive. Remember that D9 girl I was chatting with. She said masculinity is a look, like just a manly look of some sorts...it's like if we were in a grocery store, if I can't tell you are a guy, you need to RAISE your maleness and masculinity.
So.....what if we are already MASCULINE. But it's just that we don't add the sexual state part in? Maybe women are attracted to most of us already, but just want to make sure we like them?
Let's discuss...
Yeah but they won't fvck you if you don't offer anything else.
Such as if random guy walks up to girl WTF is he offering besides just being a walking d!ck when you talk of that sexual state stuff.
She already knows you want to have sex with her, she is already physically attractted to you, THIS is the part where everybody fails at.. unless she is a slut.
This is why people look for pick-up routines, or AFCs try to be nice, or even random drunks think up pick-up lines. This is the part where we all come to the site for.
She won't have sex with you just because you can speak english and you have a d!ck. This is something everybody has troubles with.
The solution to this is just get a slut. Which we don't want to do. This is what you do.
This site is for making girls feel there "in love" or "really like" you or whatever. Only sluts have sex for anything less then that feeling.
Such as if random guy walks up to girl WTF is he offering besides just being a walking d!ck when you talk of that sexual state stuff.
She already knows you want to have sex with her, she is already physically attractted to you, THIS is the part where everybody fails at.. unless she is a slut.
This is why people look for pick-up routines, or AFCs try to be nice, or even random drunks think up pick-up lines. This is the part where we all come to the site for.
She won't have sex with you just because you can speak english and you have a d!ck. This is something everybody has troubles with.
The solution to this is just get a slut. Which we don't want to do. This is what you do.
This site is for making girls feel there "in love" or "really like" you or whatever. Only sluts have sex for anything less then that feeling.
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wow i missed alot......well u guys are arguing, but i kno that wat u gotta do to sexually attract a girl is LOOK GOOD, MAKE DEEP EYE CONTACT, and SOUND LIKE U ARE DA MAN!
on a diff note, i dunno if this is slutty or not, but 1 of the myspace girls i saw 4 days ago, i saw her again and she was on her period and she said "when my period is done, i wanna **** u so bad".........probly a slut, but who knows maybe its her natural side coming out!
this hb10 that the thread is about, shes sooooooo forgot, which goes to show 2 things:
1)ALWAYS have multiple options or else ull have oneitis
2)ONEITIS can strike any player at any time anywhere any way....be careful (struck me for about a day)
on a diff note, i dunno if this is slutty or not, but 1 of the myspace girls i saw 4 days ago, i saw her again and she was on her period and she said "when my period is done, i wanna **** u so bad".........probly a slut, but who knows maybe its her natural side coming out!
this hb10 that the thread is about, shes sooooooo forgot, which goes to show 2 things:
1)ALWAYS have multiple options or else ull have oneitis
2)ONEITIS can strike any player at any time anywhere any way....be careful (struck me for about a day)
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Bvbidd, you make one hell of a damn point, but you are missing something buddy. Heres what you said,
"Such as if random guy walks up to girl WTF is he offering besides just being a walking d!ck when you talk of that sexual state stuff. She already knows you want to have sex with her, she is already physically attractted to you, THIS is the part where everybody fails at.. unless she is a slut."
You don't understand sexual state at all, buddy. One part you are missing about the slvt thing, is that YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S A SLVT AND WHO'S NOT, unless it's obvious and she's running around sitting on every guy's lap. The point of being a "good" PUA or DONJUAN, or whatever you want to call him, is to be able to walk into a room full of women or be around women, and CAUSE THE SLVT TO COME OUT. Now, unless she is showing it, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DYCKS she's svcked? I do know, that the sexual state thing works on quiet chicks, ghetto chicks, black and white girls. It's a mixture, so, why it works I don't know. Lol, maybe Delta who claims to know all about the theory of "attraction" but never gets laid can tell you why.......you also said this,
"The solution to this is just get a slut. Which we don't want to do. This is what you do. This site is for making girls feel there "in love" or "really like" you or whatever. Only sluts have sex for anything less then that feeling."
Who's to say the feeling is not created, IT IS CREATED, see, you don't understand sexual state buddy. It's not a horny guy running around grabbing his penis...no. Sexual state is a state of mind, where you picture yourself in the bedroom, it's hard for me to explain right now. But its a mind set, and you carry this vibe and flow around with you, when you talk to girls you notice you are holding your dyck and licking your lips, and you touch her softly, etc. What begins to happen is that she MATCHES this state and begins to do the same thing. Why it works I have no idea, but she matches that state, and I make out with chicks I don't know, the cycle to getting laid is sped up, but I can't explain why it works though buddy.
So that feeling of "in love" is created. And I fvcked vargins doing this, I've fvcked and made out with chicks who are professional, every day chicks. When I'm doing it for real and for a while, I get a lot of bumping and grinding in the clubs, I get a lot of make outs, and a lot of sex also. Are all these girls everybody slvts, I don't think so...but did I bring the slvt out of them, hell yes, that's my job, that's what it means to have a high level of attraction. And again, I'm no Ne-yo, Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake looking m'fer either.
Maybe you don't know how to do it successfully. All the moves are subtle moves, not sledgehammer moves. Not running up and grabbing azz, it's more like I ease in.
I'll be back later, peace
- John
"Such as if random guy walks up to girl WTF is he offering besides just being a walking d!ck when you talk of that sexual state stuff. She already knows you want to have sex with her, she is already physically attractted to you, THIS is the part where everybody fails at.. unless she is a slut."
You don't understand sexual state at all, buddy. One part you are missing about the slvt thing, is that YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S A SLVT AND WHO'S NOT, unless it's obvious and she's running around sitting on every guy's lap. The point of being a "good" PUA or DONJUAN, or whatever you want to call him, is to be able to walk into a room full of women or be around women, and CAUSE THE SLVT TO COME OUT. Now, unless she is showing it, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DYCKS she's svcked? I do know, that the sexual state thing works on quiet chicks, ghetto chicks, black and white girls. It's a mixture, so, why it works I don't know. Lol, maybe Delta who claims to know all about the theory of "attraction" but never gets laid can tell you why.......you also said this,
"The solution to this is just get a slut. Which we don't want to do. This is what you do. This site is for making girls feel there "in love" or "really like" you or whatever. Only sluts have sex for anything less then that feeling."
Who's to say the feeling is not created, IT IS CREATED, see, you don't understand sexual state buddy. It's not a horny guy running around grabbing his penis...no. Sexual state is a state of mind, where you picture yourself in the bedroom, it's hard for me to explain right now. But its a mind set, and you carry this vibe and flow around with you, when you talk to girls you notice you are holding your dyck and licking your lips, and you touch her softly, etc. What begins to happen is that she MATCHES this state and begins to do the same thing. Why it works I have no idea, but she matches that state, and I make out with chicks I don't know, the cycle to getting laid is sped up, but I can't explain why it works though buddy.
So that feeling of "in love" is created. And I fvcked vargins doing this, I've fvcked and made out with chicks who are professional, every day chicks. When I'm doing it for real and for a while, I get a lot of bumping and grinding in the clubs, I get a lot of make outs, and a lot of sex also. Are all these girls everybody slvts, I don't think so...but did I bring the slvt out of them, hell yes, that's my job, that's what it means to have a high level of attraction. And again, I'm no Ne-yo, Chris Brown, Justin Timberlake looking m'fer either.
Maybe you don't know how to do it successfully. All the moves are subtle moves, not sledgehammer moves. Not running up and grabbing azz, it's more like I ease in.
I'll be back later, peace
- John
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To add, Bvbidd I like this discussion we are having.
You said a lot of guys tried this and gave up on it, so that could explain why all these guys continue to have frustration, THEY ARE NOT DOING IT RIGHT.
I swear its like some magical stuff, I don't know. The rapport doesn't build, it's just sitting there! Lol, seriously. It's like we already known each other and shyt, I dont' know, I can't explain it though.
I'll make a post on it after the holidays, it's so many parties here in Detroit, gosh, hmmmmm, and the women are out tonight boy!! Damn it, damn it, damn it, damn it.
You said a lot of guys tried this and gave up on it, so that could explain why all these guys continue to have frustration, THEY ARE NOT DOING IT RIGHT.
I swear its like some magical stuff, I don't know. The rapport doesn't build, it's just sitting there! Lol, seriously. It's like we already known each other and shyt, I dont' know, I can't explain it though.
I'll make a post on it after the holidays, it's so many parties here in Detroit, gosh, hmmmmm, and the women are out tonight boy!! Damn it, damn it, damn it, damn it.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
izza
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DonJuanForever said:Before I talk to skip, what you guys need to understand on this forum is this. We are all, or mostly in our early 20's, we are growing into young, successful, and very attractive men. This forum is supposed to be a place where we come together to HELP EACH OTHER, grow into their full potential. This forum SHOULD NOT be a place where we come and tear each other down, life did that to most of us, so let's not add fuel to the fire, let's put it out.
OKAY? Can we act like young men and not young azzes?
To skip. I'm about to increase your pvssy flow.
You said this,
"b4 the date, i called her like 3 hours b4 it (cuz we hadnt talked on the phoone yet) and etc, etc, ......flake"
First off, when you do myspace, or when you meet a chick in person and you get her number. DO NOT SET UP DATES, that's waaayyy too early. That's getting the ketchup bottle out before you order the sandwich.
When you meet a chick and you get her number, on the first phone call, I need you to be oooozzzzing the sexual tonality, the sexual state, and the sexual flow. Your voice should be lower, you should notice that you are licking your lips, and you should be grabbing your dyck (all this subconsciously and without knowing you are doing it).......when you guys are talking, you should also notice that you talk slower, ok? Talk about anything light, a party, a movie, the club....what she's wearing.......add in sexual indoendo(I can't spell it) and you SHOULD notice that she is starting to relax and MATCH your state a little.....THEN END THE CALL. Say you got to do something, and you'll call her back later, or what I do, tell her to call you back if she called first, doesn't really matter.
DON'T CALL HER BACK THAT NIGHT. If she calls back, don't answer.
Wait until about 2 nights, and call her back in the evening, hmmmm, around 9 or 10. Have the same sexual stuff going on that I explained before.....NOW, tell her you just got in and you'll call her right back in about an hour, or tell her to call you back in an hour..........
THE HOUR PASSES.....
....now you two are on the phone, should be approaching midnight on a Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday, or even Thursday.......go right back into sexual indoendo, I need you to have MORE sexual flow right now, MORE....then go right into phone sex....I usually begin wit tellin her to blow me a kiss, then tell her, "say somethin freaky to me baby," she'll laugh seductively...stay in the flow, stay persistent, within 5 minutes she'll give in and start the moaning or she'll say, "You start it." Then you know how to phone bone right? Do it for about 30 minutes, THEN SET A TIME TOMORROW, after you get done doing your thing in the day time, for you to pick her up and for her to "show me what you can do, baby, haha" You got me?
Now pick her up tomorrow and go chill in a room somewhere, grab some beers and music.....THEN FVCK HER.
NOOOW, after you've fvcked her, now you can take her on dates and shyt.
Any questions, pm me.
- John
Ahahahahaha, great advice.
Skip has definitely given me good advice before, so when I saw the brother was in need, it was my pleasure to try to give back. The guy could sell something on this site, hehe.
Fvck it.
I'm just gonna agree with you guys for now because to be honest any success I have had was when I was not thinking like a PUA or anything.. just a completley relaxed clear and focused mind.
Who knows what's really going on.
I'm just gonna agree with you guys for now because to be honest any success I have had was when I was not thinking like a PUA or anything.. just a completley relaxed clear and focused mind.
Who knows what's really going on.
Francisco d'Anconia
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You guys need to pause and read this part again and again. This is why I'm not a proponent of canned lines and routines (I used them in my RAFC days). The fact is anyone can say these lines. What sets a DJ apart from the "normal guy" (i.e., AFC) is not only what he says but how he conveys it. Not to be forgotten is whether his delivery is congruent with his character.DonJuanForever said:How you sound and the vibe you carry is important....
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Bvbidd, hey listen, DON'T AGREE WITH ME YET, keep stating your point dude. Don't just stop defending your case because "everybody" disagrees with it, fvck US.If you have had different experiences, let me know. Hell, I'm really trying to UNDERSTAND why I get laid? I want to be able to teach my son about it, help my boys out, all I can think of is the sexual state, because I notice I am in it alot when I talk to women.
But hey, also, I notice that what you said, "just a completley relaxed clear and focused mind." I am totally that way, WAY BEFORE I EVEN TALK TO A GIRL.
And I think being so relaxed and comfortable comes from the fact that I don't go up to her like a stranger, I go up to her like I already know her. I see her as a friend, not an enemy like Delta does, lol. So this would naturally relax anybody am I right? I feel more relaxed to go into sexual state and grabbing my dyck and kissing her neck, etc.
I believe you guys called that, "assuming rapport." And if you look at it, once you assume rapport, DOESN'T ALL YOUR INSECURITIES LEAVE? I mean you are insecure because you are not SURE that you are in rapport or going to be received, when you already know you'll be received well....wouldn't you just naturally relax?
Bvbidd over the holiday, keep posting from your point of view dude, don't just stop defending your case because "everybody" disagrees with it, fvck US. I want to hear your experiences....like when everybody was flaming in the Delta thread, did I just give in to my point? Hell no....I don't give a fvck what nobody thinks, lol..HALF of the guys hear just "agree" with some guy becauses it sounds good or because "everybody" likes him, fvck that! Have a mind of your own, it's the "don juan" number one rule.
- DJF
But hey, also, I notice that what you said, "just a completley relaxed clear and focused mind." I am totally that way, WAY BEFORE I EVEN TALK TO A GIRL.
And I think being so relaxed and comfortable comes from the fact that I don't go up to her like a stranger, I go up to her like I already know her. I see her as a friend, not an enemy like Delta does, lol. So this would naturally relax anybody am I right? I feel more relaxed to go into sexual state and grabbing my dyck and kissing her neck, etc.
I believe you guys called that, "assuming rapport." And if you look at it, once you assume rapport, DOESN'T ALL YOUR INSECURITIES LEAVE? I mean you are insecure because you are not SURE that you are in rapport or going to be received, when you already know you'll be received well....wouldn't you just naturally relax?
Bvbidd over the holiday, keep posting from your point of view dude, don't just stop defending your case because "everybody" disagrees with it, fvck US. I want to hear your experiences....like when everybody was flaming in the Delta thread, did I just give in to my point? Hell no....I don't give a fvck what nobody thinks, lol..HALF of the guys hear just "agree" with some guy becauses it sounds good or because "everybody" likes him, fvck that! Have a mind of your own, it's the "don juan" number one rule.
- DJF
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this wonderful discussion shouldnt be taking place in a 1 day pathetic thread that i made........lets create a new thread and repost it so more people can see
by the way, to throw something else into the mix, combining sexual state with ALCOHOL will skyrocket the chances of having sex with a girl ur with because it will bring her slut defenses down completely and if she likes u, she'll **** u
SOMETIMES, just sexual state isnt enough to **** the girl because shes too into not wanting society to label her a slut, but those kinda girls, which i think is funny, are the ones who LOVE to drink and THEN **** and then BLAME the alcohol, thus making themselves look like they arent sluts
oh those women
by the way, to throw something else into the mix, combining sexual state with ALCOHOL will skyrocket the chances of having sex with a girl ur with because it will bring her slut defenses down completely and if she likes u, she'll **** u
SOMETIMES, just sexual state isnt enough to **** the girl because shes too into not wanting society to label her a slut, but those kinda girls, which i think is funny, are the ones who LOVE to drink and THEN **** and then BLAME the alcohol, thus making themselves look like they arent sluts
oh those women
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