wifehunter
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Overheard a guy talking to his date... He bought her a present on the first date! Betas are entertaining!!! Tried so hard not to laugh out loud!!!
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
1st date... He bought her a present!!!
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
NSX-R
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I remember a small group of 10 people i saw a couple of weeks ago. They went up to go and it was that guy with a chick. This guy was a true white knight. He went to pick her coat and he wore it to her , after he went to pick her bag which he carried all the way and in the end he opened the door for her .
I was laughing but still i was feeling bad for this poor guy that he has to learn the hard way.
I can say I could turned up to be the same as him if it weren't for this place here.
I was laughing but still i was feeling bad for this poor guy that he has to learn the hard way.
I can say I could turned up to be the same as him if it weren't for this place here.
wifehunter
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Yes, took me a few heartbreaks, to finally snap and realise there has to be a better way!!!
EyeBRollin
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Don't be so quick to judge.
I always pay, I get her coat for her, I hold doors. A gentleman is not synonymous with a beta. Alpha vs. beta is about frame, not manners.
I wouldn't agree with buying her presents at all, but you can be kind to women as long as you remain in control and things are done to your demands.
I always pay, I get her coat for her, I hold doors. A gentleman is not synonymous with a beta. Alpha vs. beta is about frame, not manners.
I wouldn't agree with buying her presents at all, but you can be kind to women as long as you remain in control and things are done to your demands.
I agree. Its all about putting yourself and your principles above everyone else. You are the king. Act like one. You make the rules. You are next to no-one. Believe in it.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
NSX-R
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I consider myself to be a gentleman.
If I wanted to help the other female to wear her coat I would do it because I wanted to. The guy I mentioned did it in a way to get the approval of the female like " I'm a good boy" . That's not a gentleman way.
And not all situations require a gentleman behavior.
NSX-R
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Considering flakes is an increasing trend in our times,giving a chick some gift for actually coming into the date,i think it's something she deserves . lol
El Payaso
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True but the chances that this guy has an "alpha" frame are low. I guess we would need to hear more about how he handles her down the line.
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We women loooove chivalrous men because it's so romantic and sweet 
dustmuffin
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I always bring a gift for the woman on a first date...my c ock....
“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
zekko
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Obviously I agree buying her a present on a first date would be a bad idea. But maybe if they've known each other a long time - Like maybe if they have both been involved with other people and are finally getting a chance to try hooking up, then maybe in a case like that I could see it. Not something I would do, but I could see it.
wifehunter
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Hilarious!!!
There's a very fine line between being a gentleman and being a tool. But I will say this.
Always paying and fetching her coat like a servant is a good way to get taken advantage of.
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My date offered to pay for snacks at movie last night. I let her. She told me get anything I wanted since I paid for tickets. Wild sex after movie. I think I will keep her.
EyeBRollin
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Not if you are in control. Men lead. Getting her coat is simply a kind gesture. Some men are just raised to act a certain way. As long as the frame remains the consistent and you treat all women the same way, it doesn't make a difference.
I always pay when I invite a woman out. If she isn't acting right, I simply don't invite her out. She either gets an invite to my place or radio silence.
"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
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For my 18th birthday I ended up with a girl ( hot make-out session) I’ve been crushing on for months
We started a relationship that night and I was super excited to see her next week. The beta I was made her a super complex origami rose and bought her a chocolate. Its understantment to say that she ignored me on that date.
Tomorrow day she dumped me over her friend, reason being "im not mature enough" ( she was 17)
Soon I found out she was already dating a 28-year-old guy. That went on for half a year until her parents found out and the police got involved, lol
I never did that mystake again. Give gifts only because you want to, never make it about her.
We started a relationship that night and I was super excited to see her next week. The beta I was made her a super complex origami rose and bought her a chocolate. Its understantment to say that she ignored me on that date.
Tomorrow day she dumped me over her friend, reason being "im not mature enough" ( she was 17)
Soon I found out she was already dating a 28-year-old guy. That went on for half a year until her parents found out and the police got involved, lol
I never did that mystake again. Give gifts only because you want to, never make it about her.
And if she doesn't act right after you've invite her out? You still pay and fetch items for her?
Let's see. Rewarding bad behavior, check. Unreciprocated generosity, check. This is quenching the appetite of the entitled western woman. Fantastic.
EyeBRollin
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Correct. You're the classy man. You better be a bigger man than her. You pay the bill then walk away.
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Lol, betas are laughable. Obviously you know not to be a beta and what behaviors to avoid, but do you know what behaviors to actually employ in order to help her fall in love with you and stay in love? It's so easy, man, you honestly won't even have to lift a finger. A few friends of mine and myself are discussing this very phenomenon and would appreciate a unique perspective such as yours on how to keep your woman in love and if our current theory could use a bit of tweaking. Feel free to share your thoughts with us. We will listen!
Read my thread:
"All it takes is two things to make her love you forever"