wifehunter
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Overheard a guy talking to his date... He bought her a present on the first date! Betas are entertaining!!! Tried so hard not to laugh out loud!!!
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
1st date... He bought her a present!!!
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"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
NSX-R
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I remember a small group of 10 people i saw a couple of weeks ago. They went up to go and it was that guy with a chick. This guy was a true white knight. He went to pick her coat and he wore it to her , after he went to pick her bag which he carried all the way and in the end he opened the door for her .
I was laughing but still i was feeling bad for this poor guy that he has to learn the hard way.
I can say I could turned up to be the same as him if it weren't for this place here.
I was laughing but still i was feeling bad for this poor guy that he has to learn the hard way.
I can say I could turned up to be the same as him if it weren't for this place here.
wifehunter
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Yes, took me a few heartbreaks, to finally snap and realise there has to be a better way!!!
EyeBRollin
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Don't be so quick to judge.
I always pay, I get her coat for her, I hold doors. A gentleman is not synonymous with a beta. Alpha vs. beta is about frame, not manners.
I wouldn't agree with buying her presents at all, but you can be kind to women as long as you remain in control and things are done to your demands.
I always pay, I get her coat for her, I hold doors. A gentleman is not synonymous with a beta. Alpha vs. beta is about frame, not manners.
I wouldn't agree with buying her presents at all, but you can be kind to women as long as you remain in control and things are done to your demands.
I agree. Its all about putting yourself and your principles above everyone else. You are the king. Act like one. You make the rules. You are next to no-one. Believe in it.
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
NSX-R
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I consider myself to be a gentleman.
If I wanted to help the other female to wear her coat I would do it because I wanted to. The guy I mentioned did it in a way to get the approval of the female like " I'm a good boy" . That's not a gentleman way.
And not all situations require a gentleman behavior.
NSX-R
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Considering flakes is an increasing trend in our times,giving a chick some gift for actually coming into the date,i think it's something she deserves . lol
El Payaso
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True but the chances that this guy has an "alpha" frame are low. I guess we would need to hear more about how he handles her down the line.
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We women loooove chivalrous men because it's so romantic and sweet 
dustmuffin
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I always bring a gift for the woman on a first date...my c ock....
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
zekko
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Obviously I agree buying her a present on a first date would be a bad idea. But maybe if they've known each other a long time - Like maybe if they have both been involved with other people and are finally getting a chance to try hooking up, then maybe in a case like that I could see it. Not something I would do, but I could see it.
wifehunter
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Hilarious!!!
There's a very fine line between being a gentleman and being a tool. But I will say this.
Always paying and fetching her coat like a servant is a good way to get taken advantage of.
dustmuffin
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My date offered to pay for snacks at movie last night. I let her. She told me get anything I wanted since I paid for tickets. Wild sex after movie. I think I will keep her.
EyeBRollin
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Not if you are in control. Men lead. Getting her coat is simply a kind gesture. Some men are just raised to act a certain way. As long as the frame remains the consistent and you treat all women the same way, it doesn't make a difference.
I always pay when I invite a woman out. If she isn't acting right, I simply don't invite her out. She either gets an invite to my place or radio silence.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
_Dream_
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For my 18th birthday I ended up with a girl ( hot make-out session) I’ve been crushing on for months
We started a relationship that night and I was super excited to see her next week. The beta I was made her a super complex origami rose and bought her a chocolate. Its understantment to say that she ignored me on that date.
Tomorrow day she dumped me over her friend, reason being "im not mature enough" ( she was 17)
Soon I found out she was already dating a 28-year-old guy. That went on for half a year until her parents found out and the police got involved, lol
I never did that mystake again. Give gifts only because you want to, never make it about her.
We started a relationship that night and I was super excited to see her next week. The beta I was made her a super complex origami rose and bought her a chocolate. Its understantment to say that she ignored me on that date.
Tomorrow day she dumped me over her friend, reason being "im not mature enough" ( she was 17)
Soon I found out she was already dating a 28-year-old guy. That went on for half a year until her parents found out and the police got involved, lol
I never did that mystake again. Give gifts only because you want to, never make it about her.
And if she doesn't act right after you've invite her out? You still pay and fetch items for her?
Let's see. Rewarding bad behavior, check. Unreciprocated generosity, check. This is quenching the appetite of the entitled western woman. Fantastic.
EyeBRollin
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Correct. You're the classy man. You better be a bigger man than her. You pay the bill then walk away.
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Lol, betas are laughable. Obviously you know not to be a beta and what behaviors to avoid, but do you know what behaviors to actually employ in order to help her fall in love with you and stay in love? It's so easy, man, you honestly won't even have to lift a finger. A few friends of mine and myself are discussing this very phenomenon and would appreciate a unique perspective such as yours on how to keep your woman in love and if our current theory could use a bit of tweaking. Feel free to share your thoughts with us. We will listen!
Read my thread:
"All it takes is two things to make her love you forever"