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[Plinco]

As an armchair psychologist, I can say with 100% certainty that you have Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

And you're 0% qualified to make that assessment.

What's the purpose of your diagnosis? Do you expect anyone to take your opinion seriously? Why don't you count the number of times you or @BPH have slandered me, and how many times I've slandered any of you, and then tell me who has a problem.

Do you think any of the times you've slandered me was constructive? I like a good debate but you have to have a purpose other than just trying to make someone look bad because you don't like their viewpoint.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

After getting a divorce with a woman who had been living with me for four years, I'd been out of the game for that long. I was under a lot of stress after COVID because I had almost lost everything that I worked for up until then. I had been out of the game for years and forgotten how to even talk to people. To make things more challenging, I no longer had a friend circle and lost my youthful appearance. My success with women before then had a lot to do with my situation that I no longer have. I had to learn everything learn (and still learning) everything from the ground up. You mentioned that passing your knowledge on how to be good with women was your motivation for your coaching business; I learned a few things from you too. However learning from basically scratch has been a blessing is disguise.

My motivation for being on this forum is to influence people. I don't like this mentality of where people think that success is beyond their control. I also want to see people become their more developed, independent selves. I want to see people think for themselves and not worship at the alter of some guru.

Recently I demonstrated that practicing open expression changed by mindset sufficiently enough to improve my text communications. That was the whole point. I showed anyone who read that open expression helped me with communication and that just because a woman kisses your feet, doesn't mean you have to like her in if she isn't your type. I gave her as much of a chance as I was willing to give her but she just wasn't my type.

Yet @BPH you had a problem with me rejecting her. Other people here were either amused or curious but you and @retardedautist2020 had a problem with that. That was your problem. I had every right to do what I did. Maybe this was you projecting neediness onto me. I can't answer that, that's why I suggested doing some journal work.



I've said on this forum that you teach people how to treat you. This level of disrespect I get from you is my fault. I've talked a little bit with you but as you can see I didn't make this clear enough. I think I've slandered you once that I can think of, which was after you said this. How many times have you talked to me like this? At least a few.

Self development requires rational, independent thought. I've asked you a number of times questions like, "what is the essence of maturity?" I didn't get a good answer from you which led me to believe that you don't know the answer. The reason why my approach to how to interact with women and people in general is better than yours is because I seek to understand these concepts in their essence, with using my first hand experience and observations.




What I was looking for was a level of self-understanding and this level of honesty:



For example,

"My live mission is to promote the rational faculty because it is fundamental for human effectiveness."

A corollary of this statement is that as people learn practice their rational faculty, the better they integrate every aspect of themselves and become their own authorities. This is the opposite of your approach.

Here's another,

"I like women who have roughly the maturity of a 20 year old, because that's roughly in line with my relational maturity. My personal development throughout my life had been lopsided where my intellectual self matured faster than my ability to relate to people."

That woman must have been a saint to last four years

 

[BPH]

I had to learn everything learn (and still learning) everything from the ground up.

Except you didn't - I literally told you what to do, and you insisted on doing things your way.

I suggested you go out in Orlando because you didn't like your local options. It took you months to make that trip a single time.

I suggested you update your photos and get on the dating apps. You didn't do either of those things while working together, despite the girl from your "I almost got laid tonight" post, as well as this recent girl, are BOTH from dating apps.

You simply do not listen.

My motivation for being on this forum is to influence people. I don't like this mentality of where people think that success is beyond their control. I also want to see people become their more developed, independent selves. I want to see people think for themselves and not worship at the alter of some guru.

Your "example" showcases how much longer it takes to be successful because you are argumentative and would rather have these debates than take the advice that you yourself ask for. I would hope you don't influence the younger guys into being difficult just for the sake of being difficult.

I still remember that conversation we had after you went to the bar for a mere 30 minutes, left early because you supposedly wanted to go to sleep, then proceeded to stay up an extra hour and a half with me to talk about it...instead of, you know, staying out later as I'd advised.

Yet @BPH you had a problem with me rejecting her.

I and others had a problem with you rejecting her because you were obviously interested enough to have that text conversation that you showed us, yet you chose not to see her simply because she didn't want to do your stupid dancing bull**** - she actually wanted to grab drinks and probably f***.

And you could've done that for more than 10 seconds, like your most recent girl.

It would be like if I declined $1,000,000 because it would've been too inconvenient for me to drive 15 minutes and pick it up. You SUPPOSEDLY want to be successful with women, but when you are offered success, you discard it.

So we're here reading this, wondering why the hell we're trying to help you when it seems you don't care to achieve the goal you're asking us how to reach.

I think I've slandered you once that I can think of, which was after you said this. How many times have you talked to me like this? At least a few.

Slander means I've made false, damaging statements. None of my statements have been false. Thinking that you're being ridiculous is not slander.

The reason why my approach to how to interact with women and people in general is better than yours is because I seek to understand these concepts in their essence, with using my first hand experience and observations.

I don't think a single person on this forum would agree that your approach is better than mine. You are discarding interested women because they don't want to dance...and because you feel treated like an "object" even though you're the one who led the conversation in that direction...

What I was looking for was a level of self-understanding and this level of honesty:

For example,

"My live mission is to promote the rational faculty because it is fundamental for human effectiveness."

A corollary of this statement is that as people learn practice their rational faculty, the better they integrate every aspect of themselves and become their own authorities. This is the opposite of your approach.

Look how much of a word salad this is...

Why do YOU need to understand ME for YOU to be successful? When you look at a dumbbell, do you need to understand its life mission and development cycle? No - you just need to use it.

Not everything needs to be so f***ing deep, and I ultimately think that's your problem.

"I like women who have roughly the maturity of a 20 year old, because that's roughly in line with my relational maturity. My personal development throughout my life had been lopsided where my intellectual self matured faster than my ability to relate to people."

This is just an excuse, and one that's going to get you in trouble as you continue to age. Most men prefer younger women, but most men also prefer a woman who's not so young that they have to check her ID.

I had a member message me suggesting I not bother replying to you since you're beyond being helped, clearly. As I mentioned before, I don't dislike you personally and would prefer you succeed...but you are a bad example for younger guys to follow, and the public nature of this forum allows, and almost requires, us to call that out.

I believe your problem is ultimately this: You don't want to listen to advice because you don't actually want to be successful unless it's YOUR ideas that got you there. Then, when you achieve that success, as you did here (momentarily), you get on your high horse and try to frame your failures as wins. Then you come here and debate with those who point out that your failure IS a failure, endlessly.

It'd be great if you broke that cycle. But I don't see it happening.

 

[Sega Genesis]

You are discarding interested women because they don't want to dance..

I hate to pile on but imho that was an excuse. If she had agreed to dancing, no doubt Plinco would have found another excuse to avoid.

@Plinco your fears and anxieties are literally jumping off the pages here. Re the 10 second wham bam thank you ma'am chick, she was 20, lived at home and obviously no threat to your fragile ego and existence.

I mean no disrespect when saying that, just calling it like I see it as a woman with a relatively high EQ.

It's like you keep hiding behind this pseudo-intellectual BS you continue to toss out and lashing out at anyone who dares to defy whatever it is your attempting to communicate.

My issue is why can't you just own it! Learn, grow and evolve versus remaining stuck in your own self-imposed mental prison.

Apologies if harsh, I myself used to be an avoidant in many ways but sought help and my fears/anxieties have subsided some.

Not all the way but I have owned them, learned from them and how to manage them so I dont keep making the same dump mistakes.

$.02

P.S. Did you ever seek therapy after your marriage ended?

 

[Sega Genesis]

@Plinco again NO problem with you preferring young girls but wondering have you ever considered this?

I used to work in legal and saw this play out in real; it did not end well for the man.

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[retardedautist2020]

Yet @BPH you had a problem with me rejecting her. Other people here were either amused or curious but you and @retardedautist2020 had a problem with that. That was your problem. I had every right to do what I did. Maybe this was you projecting neediness onto me. I can't answer that, that's why I suggested doing some journal work.

You’re so delusional and detached from reality. Gimme a minute to quote everyone else who also thought you were weird. It wasn’t just BPH and I.

 

[retardedautist2020]

she is dtf and you kinda beat it around the bush

Seems very strange indeed.

OP this average 30 y/o chick clearly wants to bang. Ask her if she's a good kisser (say it's important to you), segue into massages and then sex talk. Meet at yours or a bar near yours and then bang.

Maybe you can get laid before post #1000.

You know what else gets the blood flowing? Sex.

Here you go. The girl wants to bang and everyone agrees but your delusional warped mind doesn’t see it that way. If you guys ever wanted to know what a crazy person acted like, this is it.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Just one quick question as I am not a guy but I have read enough of this forum to form a conclusion.

But in a situation like this where OP hasn't been laid in a year other than 10-second girl, has admitted he is seeking to learn and gain more experience, isn't banging a girl he finds "average" better than not banging any girl at all?

If for nothing else, the experience and validation? It's not like you're seeking some serious LTR or anything.

Also as I said and also @BPH and perhaps others, you apparently liked her enough after seeing her picture, you asked her out and even doubled texted following up!

So what happened? Not buying it's because she wouldn't go dancing there's something else happening here within YOU.

Have you introspected about it at all?

 

[Sega Genesis]

most likely she is not average, more like ugly

that is the only thing that could make sense, or that the girl is actually a tranny or shemale

So again why the f*ck ask her out and double text following up?

If the girl was "ugly" or repugnant to him in some way, wouldn't it make more sense to simply delete her? NOT ask her out?

Makes no sense. There is something else at play here, within himself internally.

 

[Sega Genesis]

not really, he just wanted to know that she would bang him

attention seeking behavior

We'll just have to agree to disagree. He knew she wanted to bang from the very first message exchange, he posted he felt like an "object."

But yet he kept going with it, asked her what she was doing Wednesday and offered either dancing or hanging by the beach.

He then double texted her following up!

This indicates interest but then suddenly he rejects her because she wouldn't go dancing?

Again we can agree to disagree @Bigpapa .

Said my piece.

 

[The Diver]

After getting a divorce with a woman who had been living with me for four years, I'd been out of the game for that long. I was under a lot of stress after COVID because I had almost lost everything that I worked for up until then. I had been out of the game for years and forgotten how to even talk to people. To make things more challenging, I no longer had a friend circle and lost my youthful appearance. My success with women before then had a lot to do with my situation that I no longer have. I had to learn everything learn (and still learning) everything from the ground up. You mentioned that passing your knowledge on how to be good with women was your motivation for your coaching business; I learned a few things from you too. However learning from basically scratch has been a blessing is disguise.

My motivation for being on this forum is to influence people. I don't like this mentality of where people think that success is beyond their control. I also want to see people become their more developed, independent selves. I want to see people think for themselves and not worship at the alter of some guru.

Recently I demonstrated that practicing open expression changed by mindset sufficiently enough to improve my text communications. That was the whole point. I showed anyone who read that open expression helped me with communication and that just because a woman kisses your feet, doesn't mean you have to like her in if she isn't your type. I gave her as much of a chance as I was willing to give her but she just wasn't my type.

Yet @BPH you had a problem with me rejecting her. Other people here were either amused or curious but you and @retardedautist2020 had a problem with that. That was your problem. I had every right to do what I did. Maybe this was you projecting neediness onto me. I can't answer that, that's why I suggested doing some journal work.



I've said on this forum that you teach people how to treat you. This level of disrespect I get from you is my fault. I've talked a little bit with you but as you can see I didn't make this clear enough. I think I've slandered you once that I can think of, which was after you said this. How many times have you talked to me like this? At least a few.

Self development requires rational, independent thought. I've asked you a number of times questions like, "what is the essence of maturity?" I didn't get a good answer from you which led me to believe that you don't know the answer. The reason why my approach to how to interact with women and people in general is better than yours is because I seek to understand these concepts in their essence, with using my first hand experience and observations.




What I was looking for was a level of self-understanding and this level of honesty:



For example,

"My live mission is to promote the rational faculty because it is fundamental for human effectiveness."

A corollary of this statement is that as people learn practice their rational faculty, the better they integrate every aspect of themselves and become their own authorities. This is the opposite of your approach.

Here's another,

"I like women who have roughly the maturity of a 20 year old, because that's roughly in line with my relational maturity. My personal development throughout my life had been lopsided where my intellectual self matured faster than my ability to relate to people."

There was a guy here few years ago under the name "Rechard the frog "

After getting a divorce with a woman who had been living with me for four years, I'd been out of the game for that long. I was under a lot of stress after COVID because I had almost lost everything that I worked for up until then. I had been out of the game for years and forgotten how to even talk to people. To make things more challenging, I no longer had a friend circle and lost my youthful appearance. My success with women before then had a lot to do with my situation that I no longer have. I had to learn everything learn (and still learning) everything from the ground up. You mentioned that passing your knowledge on how to be good with women was your motivation for your coaching business; I learned a few things from you too. However learning from basically scratch has been a blessing is disguise.

My motivation for being on this forum is to influence people. I don't like this mentality of where people think that success is beyond their control. I also want to see people become their more developed, independent selves. I want to see people think for themselves and not worship at the alter of some guru.

Recently I demonstrated that practicing open expression changed by mindset sufficiently enough to improve my text communications. That was the whole point. I showed anyone who read that open expression helped me with communication and that just because a woman kisses your feet, doesn't mean you have to like her in if she isn't your type. I gave her as much of a chance as I was willing to give her but she just wasn't my type.

Yet @BPH you had a problem with me rejecting her. Other people here were either amused or curious but you and @retardedautist2020 had a problem with that. That was your problem. I had every right to do what I did. Maybe this was you projecting neediness onto me. I can't answer that, that's why I suggested doing some journal work.



I've said on this forum that you teach people how to treat you. This level of disrespect I get from you is my fault. I've talked a little bit with you but as you can see I didn't make this clear enough. I think I've slandered you once that I can think of, which was after you said this. How many times have you talked to me like this? At least a few.

Self development requires rational, independent thought. I've asked you a number of times questions like, "what is the essence of maturity?" I didn't get a good answer from you which led me to believe that you don't know the answer. The reason why my approach to how to interact with women and people in general is better than yours is because I seek to understand these concepts in their essence, with using my first hand experience and observations.




What I was looking for was a level of self-understanding and this level of honesty:



For example,

"My live mission is to promote the rational faculty because it is fundamental for human effectiveness."

A corollary of this statement is that as people learn practice their rational faculty, the better they integrate every aspect of themselves and become their own authorities. This is the opposite of your approach.

Here's another,

"I like women who have roughly the maturity of a 20 year old, because that's roughly in line with my relational maturity. My personal development throughout my life had been lopsided where my intellectual self matured faster than my ability to relate to people."

A few years ago , there was a guy here under the name of " Richard the frog " . He used to ask million questions, received a million answers, and then went and did the opposite. Eventually, he was banned.

 

[retardedautist2020]

So again why the f*ck ask her out and double text following up?

If the girl was "ugly" or repugnant to him in some way, wouldn't it make more sense to simply delete her? NOT ask her out?

Makes no sense. There is something else at play here, within himself internally.

I’ve been repeating myself nonstop that I am in expert in Borderline Personality Disorders, and this is it. They’re detached from reality, and what Plinco is doing is self-sabotage which is common amongst BPDs.

He’s been repeating these patterns over and over again. BPH has been having the same conversations with him every time and he responds the exact way every time. They never change.

 

[Sega Genesis]

I’ve been repeating myself nonstop that I am in expert in Borderline Personality Disorders, and this is it. They’re detached from reality, and what Plinco is doing is self-sabotage which is common amongst BPDs.

He’s been repeating these patterns over and over again. BPH has been having the same conversations with him every time and he responds the exact way every time. They never change.

I am not disputing this^^. I don't know enough about but I defer to you and you may be right!

My response (the one you quoted) was.in response to @Bigpapa 's theory and both my opinion and yours re BPD could both be true.

He's got "issues" I don't think this can be be disputed no matter how we slice and dice.

 

[Plinco]

I hate to pile on but imho that was an excuse. If she had agreed to dancing, no doubt Plinco would have found another excuse to avoid.

@Plinco your fears and anxieties are literally jumping off the pages here. Re the 10 second wham bam thank you ma'am chick, she was 20, lived at home and obviously no threat to your fragile ego and existence.

I mean no disrespect when saying that, just calling it like I see it as a woman with a relatively high EQ.

It's like you keep hiding behind this pseudo-intellectual BS you continue to toss out and lashing out at anyone who dares to defy whatever it is your attempting to communicate.

My issue is why can't you just own it! Learn, grow and evolve versus remaining stuck in your own self-imposed mental prison.

Apologies if harsh, I myself used to be an avoidant in many ways but sought help and my fears/anxieties have subsided some.

Not all the way but I have owned them, learned from them and how to manage them so I dont keep making the same dump mistakes.

$.02

P.S. Did you ever seek therapy after your marriage ended?

You're off the mark but I appreciate the concern.

@Plinco again NO problem with you preferring young girls but wondering have you ever considered this?

I used to work in legal and saw this play out in real; it did not end well for the man.

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yeah I know haha)

 

[Plinco]

Just one quick question as I am not a guy but I have read enough of this forum to form a conclusion.

But in a situation like this where OP hasn't been laid in a year other than 10-second girl, has admitted he is seeking to learn and gain more experience, isn't banging a girl he finds "average" better than not banging any girl at all?

If for nothing else, the experience and validation? It's not like you're seeking some serious LTR or anything.

Also as I said and also @BPH and perhaps others, you apparently liked her enough after seeing her picture, you asked her out and even doubled texted following up!

So what happened? Not buying it's because she wouldn't go dancing there's something else happening here within YOU.

Have you introspected about it at all?

I got the sense that she was too mature for me.

Only desperate guys are willing bang a woman that will give them five minutes of pleasure and a week of low self-esteem.

Right now I just matched with a cute but, we'll say 'curvy' 19yo, who is more bangable for me. I'm getting better with my cold approaches. And lately I've been getting hit on by 30 something year old women from time to time.

 

[Plinco]

I had a member message me suggesting I not bother replying to you since you're beyond being helped, clearly. As I mentioned before, I don't dislike you personally and would prefer you succeed...but you are a bad example for younger guys to follow, and the public nature of this forum allows, and almost requires, us to call that out.

Good call. I don't expect to change your mind either. Let's keep it civil.

I can change my mind if I see it for myself.

Except you didn't - I literally told you what to do, and you insisted on doing things your way.

I suggested you go out in Orlando because you didn't like your local options. It took you months to make that trip a single time.

I suggested you update your photos and get on the dating apps. You didn't do either of those things while working together, despite the girl from your "I almost got laid tonight" post, as well as this recent girl, are BOTH from dating apps.

Let me give credit where credit is due:

1. The workout plans you suggested were fantastic.
2. You have mostly a good attitude when it comes to pursuing goals
3. You have a lot of first hand experience.
4. I don't know exactly how smart you are but you're certainly not stupid. In some ways you do use your head pretty good.
5. Your advice to now hit on girls at the gym was probably a good idea.
6. Your advice on how to dress was also a great idea too.

I'm sure there's more but I'm running on 2.5 hours of sleep today.

The work and the learning was mine because I did it. I took your advice and integrated it into my thoughts.

The best advice I've gotten on this forum was from @Scaramouche

You simply do not listen.

I believe your problem is ultimately this: You don't want to listen to advice because you don't actually want to be successful unless it's YOUR ideas that got you there.

This is where you go wrong. Learning is volitional. You can listen and not learn a thing. You can also not listen and learn all sorts of stuff. Listening is not learning. You have to actively use your head to get ahead. That's what I like to see cultivated in people and that's what I respect in people. Doing something because someone told you to do it is not learning a darn thing.

Why do YOU need to understand ME for YOU to be successful? When you look at a dumbbell, do you need to understand its life mission and development cycle? No - you just need to use it.

Not everything needs to be so f***ing deep, and I ultimately think that's your problem.

That's an invalid analogy.

This is just an excuse, and one that's going to get you in trouble as you continue to age. Most men prefer younger women, but most men also prefer a woman who's not so young that they have to check her ID.

Those are the kind of girls I like mostly and I feel no shame. Believe me I wouldn't just be saying that I'm immature for no reason. My life would be easier otherwise, but that's my situation and that's what I have to live with.

 

[Sega Genesis]

I got the sense that she was too mature for me.

You mean too old? Or old acting?

So anyway she said that she doesn't want to go dancing because she gets too tired after work...

Was it because of her response here^^? Being too tired after work?

I think that may have been an excuse, imo she wanted to grab drinks and possibly f*ck afterwards assuming you clicked in person.

That said, I am trying to be fair because we are allowed to change our minds at any time, sometimes for no reason at all.

 

[Plinco]

You mean too old? Or old acting?



Was it because of her response here^^? Being too tired after work?

I think that may have been an excuse, imo she wanted to grab drinks and possibly f*ck afterwards assuming you clicked in person.

That said, I am trying to be fair because we are allowed to change our minds at any time, sometimes for no reason at all.

Everything has a reason

Depending on the context, mature is not always the same characteristic as 'old'

 

[Sega Genesis]

Everything has a reason

Depending on the context, mature is not always the same characteristic as 'old'

Plinco no need to word spin with me, what did you mean by "she is too mature" if not "too old acting"?

It's a simple question. Requiring a simple answer. Sheesh!

 

[Plinco]

Plinco no need to "word spin" with me, what did you mean by "she is too mature" if not "too old acting"?

It's a simple question. Requiring a simple answer.

Oh yeah my bad. I'm on 2.5 hours of sleep.

The answer is too old acting