Younger women are getting a lot sharper

[Bingo-Player]

Saturday I was out and in a very busy rooftop bar type of place your shoulder to shoulder I was with a friend and we got lucky with a table

Two chicks were hovering around the table so I opened them and invited them to join us, both were young about 23/24 pretty run of the mill HB 7's.

Initially conversation is light one of the chicks is a little bit stiff but with some humour eventually loosens up and starts laughing.

However it didn't take long before I noticed the conversation was getting a bit weird, both chicks were using smart conversational tactics to try and get us to divulge information they could use to make assumptions, pyschoanlyse and later control the frame of the conversation.

It was a bit strange when neither of us had really shown any particular interest in them we were just having a platonic / casual conversation.

For example I said I work in E-commerce , one of them goes oh he must be a "red pill" , then asking if I speak to a lot of girls on nights out and my views on capitalism.

I fell into a trap with one of them and from that determined any answer I gave was being reloaded against me.

I guess kind of like a sh1t test you cannot win....... again strange considering this was a very informal conversation / interaction

One of the girls eventually realised I had worked out what they were doing and the conversation returned to normal.

my friend and I made our excuses to leave , we swapped instagrams one of the chicks insisting I add her.

To conclude I've met older jaded women whom have used these types of tactics in conversation before......however I've NEVER met women this young using them.

It felt to me like both had consumed a lot of online content about how to control / manipulate men that was the vibe from the conversation I was getting.

I feel pretty bad for younger guys if this is what their dealing with , I mean back when I was in my 20's younger chicks were very easy going you would never of had a conversation as intense as the one I had with these two lol.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

most chicks like this are not actually getting sharper, they're getting more arrogant. the problem is these type of chicks think they know game when in reality they're utilizing level 1 tutorial mode game they learned from retarded tiktok slop and applying it against a guy with blackbelt level game who sees their tricks immediately. what ends up happening is the woman thinks she's gaming him and doesn't realize he sees all the BS and probably will just walk away or pump and dump her. then the only guys who remain are the simps she doesn't respect and an run circles around. so it's a lose-lose for them. they literally have zero self awareness.

 

[BaronOfHair]

@Bingo-Player "I guess kind of like a sh1t test you cannot win....... again strange considering this was a very informal conversation / interaction"

As many have observed prior: No talk is "small talk".... We humans are constantly observing the words our fellows use and(most importantly)the manner in which we communicate, as a means of collecting intel on one another

"I feel pretty bad for younger guys if this is what their dealing with , I mean back when I was in my 20's younger chicks were very easy going you would never of had a conversation as intense as the one I had with these two lol"

Yeah, some eras are more free wheeling than others... Things got paranoid in the years of immediately after 9/11, got a bit more chill from '08-late '15, and hyper-combustible from '16-the present. Such is life

 

[jhonny9546]

You're right. Have you ever dealt with an Italian woman? ahahah that is normal here.

The solution for us men is to not think about it and use the three bins:

If she's not playing: long-term relationship
If she's playing with you at that level: friend with benefits or casual s3x
If she's weird: don't touch her

There's nothing you can do

 

[Bingo-Player]

As I said I've seen this behaviour with older women in their late 20's early 30's you can almost see it coming when they are this age

But to witness a 23 year old trying to dictate the terms and structure of a very casual conversation to me a 34 year old man was pretty surreal.

It just makes me wonder how difficult it must be to get these chicks into bed if you're not already highly pre qualified

They just don't seem naive and carefree any longer everything is calculated and controlled to the nth degree

 

[Plinco]

The solution to that is holding your frame and be in the mindset that they want you more than you want them. If she asks you a stupid question then answer with a question for her.

 

[Solomon]

I remember a few years ago I went on a date with a 24-year-old and she asked "Do you like Andrew Tate?" I was shocked that she knew him but shouldn't have been surprised this was when Tate was EVERYWHERE on social media, The younger generation is more aware of redpill/looksmaxxing because of the mediums that they use i.e. social media, Tik Tok, Instagram etc.

I recommend any man who has a weekend of go down the "Female Level up rabbit hole" I'm talking sheraseven and wizardliz these are basically redpill for women but it's about extracting as much resources from men as you can without sex, qualifying men who are high value earning etc.

The younger generation of women are growing up faster than before, I've met some that are 25 and already ran thru and have lived lives no 25 year old woman should I'm talking fancy dinners, trips, men spending money on them being around C-list athletes and millionaires and not all of these chicks are 10s

 

[Gamisch]

23 imo is a grown grown woman.

Back in the days she would've been married with several kids...and ofcourse women like this use their beauty as leverage.

Tbh I rather feel like most women ( and men) dont necessarily grow up or out that much after a certain period and after reachingtheir peak. The exact time may vary. But to give an example, a 50 y.o woman will play the exact same game as a 25 y.o one if she has the same leverage over men. She might also get the same attention if she remains pretty...

I agree that it rather sounds like arrogance than intelligence.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

23 imo is a grown grown woman.

i really don't think women really change much after 16-20 or so. most older women are still basically children in adult bodies. the only real difference is that older women are forced to change strategies because they can't compete with college aged chicks. and idea that an older man in his late 30s or 40s instance shouldn't date a 20 year because it's "creepy" is nonsense, women around his own age aren't really any more likely to be more mature or have any shared values/interests. i also do i buy the notion that younger woman are more naive. women learn how to manipulate men from a very early age.

 

[The Duke]

Women like this hit their early 30's and wonder why no guy wants them for long term commitment.

They forget they are being analyzed as well. They always assume you want them simply because you started talking to them. Their ego fails them quite often.

At my age, I get up and go pretty quickly when I realize what they are.

 

[zekko]

For example I said I work in E-commerce , one of them goes oh he must be a "red pill" , then asking if I speak to a lot of girls on nights out and my views on capitalism.

Not sure why E-commerce suggests red pill (and I'm assuming she means it in the political sense, not the PUA sense). I guess because you are seeing how things function behind the scenes? If she's asking your views on capitalism though, sounds like she's a lefty, which to me sounds like a HUGE red flag. Women are more likely to embrace leftism than men, which is a problem.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

She would have gotten an "Enjoy your night" with me exiting stage door left pretty quickly before she got very far in with her line of questioning.

 

[plumber]

was it more fun than if it did not happen. or better if it did not happen at all ? i mean did it entertain you in a good way ?

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Not sure why E-commerce suggests red pill (and I'm assuming she means it in the political sense, not the PUA sense). I guess because you are seeing how things function behind the scenes? If she's asking your views on capitalism though, sounds like she's a lefty, which to me sounds like a HUGE red flag. Women are more likely to embrace leftism than men, which is a problem.

It's a sign of being a free thinker, and thus off the Plantation.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

If these chicks are so socially savvy, they should know when we recognize that they're trying to shoehorn incongruous comments/sharp directional turns into a conversation, as any normal adult would.

 

[Bingo-Player]

was it more fun than if it did not happen. or better if it did not happen at all ? i mean did it entertain you in a good way ?

I mean it was a very low stakes encounter for everyone involved it was ultimately just 30 mins of nonsense in a bar , I have a GF so I was just being conversational with them for the fun of it

 

[Bingo-Player]

I remember a few years ago I went on a date with a 24-year-old and she asked "Do you like Andrew Tate?" I was shocked that she knew him but shouldn't have been surprised this was when Tate was EVERYWHERE on social media, The younger generation is more aware of redpill/looksmaxxing because of the mediums that they use i.e. social media, Tik Tok, Instagram etc.

I recommend any man who has a weekend of go down the "Female Level up rabbit hole" I'm talking sheraseven and wizardliz these are basically redpill for women but it's about extracting as much resources from men as you can without sex, qualifying men who are high value earning etc.

The younger generation of women are growing up faster than before, I've met some that are 25 and already ran thru and have lived lives no 25 year old woman should I'm talking fancy dinners, trips, men spending money on them being around C-list athletes and millionaires and not all of these chicks are 10s

I had one a singles event ask me what my views on Tate were a few years ago I feel its a loaded question within the femosphere you can't really answer correctly other than playing dumb

It used to be the case women would start their screening process during the dating phase , now it appears they have accelerated it to the very beginning.And it can be like walking through a minefield

Another interesting thing these two girls in the OP said was that " men often disappointed them "

If they are saying that at 23 god help them by 30

 

[Bingo-Player]

23 imo is a grown grown woman.

Disagree in todays world they are very immature most of this age range are still living with parents until 30

I mean you only need to look at a 20 somethings activity on social media to realise they are trend obsessed children making stupid videos

30 I think they start to realise its time to grow up and start acting like a woman but even then a chick I know turned 30 yesterday went to vegas and is like recording herself on instagram

hanging out the window of a limo talking about " living her best life " and " YOLO "

its funny lol

 

[Westminster]

Disagree in todays world they are very immature most of this age range are still living with parents until 30

I mean you only need to look at a 20 somethings activity on social media to realise they are trend obsessed children making stupid videos

30 I think they start to realise its time to grow up and start acting like a woman but even then a chick I know turned 30 yesterday went to vegas and is like recording herself on instagram

hanging out the window of a limo talking about " living her best life " and " YOLO "

its funny lol

I think Gamisch is right inasmuch as 23 would have been regarded as a fully fledged woman a generation ago. I think you make a strong point though because this has changed over time. Youth - or at least the trappings and behaviours of youth - seems to last much longer nowadays, for women and men.

The problem that women have is that their biological clock ticks much faster so they get into their 30 and start flailing around. It's often not a pretty site.

 

[zekko]

It's a sign of being a free thinker, and thus off the Plantation.

Feminist, left wing women are the cause of 90% of the complaints on this forum.