Which coaches are the real deal?

[characternote]

Books will always try to simplify something

If you want simplification, then read his hero Mike Hains if you haven't already.
I don't think anyone here will learn anything that they didn't already know, that's for sure.
He strikes me as another armchair PUA. No infields of course! (a crime for any 'seduction coach' if you ask me! We can all make courses and write ebooks!)
Just the usual 'masculine' advice.

In summary from his courses and Ebooks I have:-

''You can get laid with incredibly attractive women by being boring and
predictable, but only if you understand that there's no reason you're not
enough'' (the usual 'inner game' stuff we've all read a million times. 'you are the prize!!' etc)

''time = attraction'' - stay in set long enough and she'll become attracted because you are male and she's female.''
Not really true, but even if it was, he seems to neglect the very real situation of girls literally telling you they're not interestsed and ejecting after you say hi etc lol -not giving you the opportunity to spend 2 hours in set, making his theory redundant in most cases.

''if she is very rude at the open, challenge and neg her'' - again, classic mysterymethod. But does it work? Of about 5 thousands infields i've seen, i've seen maybe 50 approaches where the PUA gets a really harsh rejection, and he NEVER is able to turn it into a lay. And of course many try the 'neg + challenge' approach. All great in theory. But in real life????......

''compliment, tease, compliment, tease'' - this is his conversational framework after you open. You compliment then tease then compliment, then tease etc. If you 'run out of something to say', compliment her.....then tease her. You get the idea. Hardly groundbreaking. And of course 'wrong' according to many other PUA experts

''you simply be yourself when you approach a girl. Be congruent, be innocent, and be
normal, and you stay in set (time = attraction) while joking around a little (push/
pull) and occasionally being physical, gradually she’ll stop feeling like she has to
put on a ***** persona around you. And then she’ll be more like herself ''

So, 'be yourself'. Again. Ground breaking. It's all stuff we all know lol. It's either incredibly simple advice we all know, or they go the other way and complicate the process beyond recognition (like NLP ross jefferies or something) and then you have a whole new set of problems of girls thinking you are autistic haha

The fact someone thinks that advice is so special tells me all I need to know about their level tbh

I have similar notes on that 'anton' dude and just about every other course and Ebook/author I have (basically any PUA in existence) since I like to be able to refer back to things.

We all know all there is to know about game. We've likely all read all the books and seen all the courses and tested the lines and theory. It all 'works' (even 'being yourself!') when you are her type, and it all fails if you open a girl who is not at all interested.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Good Looking Loser had awful game and I hated how aggressive he was. However, on his forums, the dudes clearly got laid because they had the receipts and field reports to prove it. An issue I see way too much in the pickup community, even the groups I am a part of, is that dudes will write a lot, throw theories at you, and do all that but not have done much approaches. As terrible as GLL and his game was, his community got dudes laid and you had some real legends come from there who slept with 100+ girls and then moved on.

Outcomes matter, plain and simple.

The best dating coaches and PUAs get them, the worst ones (majority) do not. The worst ones try to fight for clout, throw theory at you, waste time with politics on a forum, and don't get results. The best ones are too busy pounding the pavement and approaching out there.

Same thing I have noticed in a pickup group I was a part of. The loudest dude was throwing theories at people, followed so many PUAs, but was awful at cold approach. The guys slaying barely posted.

 

[James Cruse]

I mean , you start arguments with experienced guys about some bullsh1t that you read , while also trying to look smart ( thus validating that you come from a lower value point than me or the other guys )

I’m clearly far more experienced than anyone I’ve encountered here. There seems to be alot of keyboard jockeys here.

a woman can only deal with a couple of interesting guys at a time

Do you actually know what attracts a woman to a man? You just wouldn’t say any of these things if you did.

The answers are in that material I referred to, if you feel the need to search it and look it up.

It just sounds like you’re making excuses for your failure.

Approach better and approach more.

 

[James Cruse]

The best dating coaches and PUAs get them, the worst ones (majority) do not. The worst ones try to fight for clout, throw theory at you, waste time with politics on a forum, and don't get results. The best ones are too busy pounding the pavement and approaching out there.

Lmao - this is the same old hackey argument: if you know alot and have read alot = you must rarely approach. JUST LOL.

It’s ok that there’s guys here are more experienced, know more and have read and learned more than you. It’s not a big deal. Learn from them.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Lmao - this is the same old hackey argument: if you know alot and have read alot = you must rarely approach. JUST LOL.

It’s ok that there’s guys here are more experienced, know more and have read and learned more than you. It’s not a big deal. Learn from them.

Knowing more does not equal getting results. Anyone can post spam and walls of text but then choke when they are in front of a girl.

I don't care to learn from guys who say a lot, I care to learn from guys that do a lot and actually get results.

 

[Mike32ct]

I think books are great. (I'm a book nerd.)

But it is extremely difficult to ingest volumes of material and somehow incorporate such new information in your behavior.

So, yeah, all else being equal, my money is on the guy with experience.

 

[characternote]

Good Looking Loser had awful game and I hated how aggressive he was. However, on his forums, the dudes clearly got laid because they had the receipts and field reports to prove it.

That's true. I'm with you. Their success was the result of getting as good looking/fashionable etc as possible, and then hitting on a tonne of girls. Their 'game' model was non existent. Essentially say hi to girls and make it clear very fast that you are into them. If they are recepitive, escalate. If they're not, move on to the next. It works (assuming you can get too a certain attractive threshold). And i'm not hating on that. In reality, it's kind of all anyone is doing (even if they kid themselves that they have more power than they actually do because they studied NLP patterns or whatever).

 

[Zimbabwe]

Paid self helps courses are scummy by nature because the whole point of self-help is that in the end only you can do the work and improve yourself. Others are just guidance and there’s a bunch of free content which is enough for people if they actually just apply the stuff. The problem is they do what’s known as ‘action faking’ where they watch these self help vids and it makes them feel like they’re taking action when they’re actually not. The people selling the courses will be like “oh it’s all about accountability, we’re here to make sure you actually take action” but you don’t need to pay to do that, you can get a friend to hold you accountable or you can hold yourself accountable. Ultimately when it comes down to it, you’re going have to hold yourself accountable to do the work – especially when the course is over and how driven you are starts to decrease over time.

 

[James Cruse]

Knowing more does not equal getting results. Anyone can post spam and walls of text but then choke when they are in front of a girl.

I don't care to learn from guys who say a lot, I care to learn from guys that do a lot and actually get results.

Perfect, then you can learn from my posts. If you’re using anything by Jmulv, you need the help.

 

[James Cruse]

I think books are great. (I'm a book nerd.)

But it is extremely difficult to ingest volumes of material and somehow incorporate such new information in your behavior.

So, yeah, all else being equal, my money is on the guy with experience.

Perfect, thanks brother. I appreciate the support.

The people selling the courses will be like “oh it’s all about accountability, we’re here to make sure you actually take action” but you don’t need to pay to do that, you can get a friend to hold you accountable or you can hold yourself accountable. Ultimately when it comes down to it, you’re going have to hold yourself accountable to do the work – especially when the course is over and how driven you are starts to decrease over time.

Totally agree. What work would you be doing though if you hadn’t gotten the results you want in the past?
If you’re not getting guidance by others, how do you know where to go?

In that vain, what guidance would you recommend and what work have you been doing?
Are you approaching every day and using that help to guide yourself or no?

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Perfect, then you can learn from my posts. If you’re using anything by Jmulv, you need the help.

 

[characternote]

This is more a typical approach of jmulv's I guess (i might post a few infields from different coaches at some point)
He's got much worse infields, and also some better. I just can't get excited about his game at all, personally. I really feel like I have many friends who have never heard of game who would obliterate him. He just never actually seems to get 'attraction' in almost any of his infields

jmulv 3. Nightgame Infield 3.MP4

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[characternote]

and whilst we're on infields - what are peoples thoughts on this one? I've seen people use this guy as an example of 10/10 best game on planet earth etc, but for all of his sexual routines and compliance theory and stuff, he doesn't actually get anywhere with her (despite the comments, probably written by his team talking about outstanding this infield is)

 

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[member160761]

I followed several over the years but only one comes out on top, the Godfather, Kevin Samuels. He emphasized that you become a man first and foremost, mentally and materially, before you start looking out for women. All the rest I watched or read from, such as Roosh, Pook and others whose name I cannot remember had some solid points but failed in one thing which is their OBSESSION WITH WOMEN to a pathological degree. Samuels and Tate are right that obsession and going of your way to get with women is pathetic. Women are the dessert, not the main dish of a man's life.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

I may have posted this before on the thread. Even though he had awful game and was even caught faking infields (hiring a model), I think that Good Looking Loser by far had the best system for getting laid. The advice was as simple as look good (hit the gym, dress edgy, etc.), put yourself at favorable logistics (in a big city or a prime part of a big city), and have social freedom (talk to girls, be cool, etc.).

The reason I say this is because his forum back when it was alive had a number of guys who came in with almost no lays but left with 100s of lays after the fact. In other words, what he taught worked and guys changed their dating lives around because of that. The forum was action-oriented and even put emphasis on guys posting "receipts" (pics of them nude with the girl, nudes of the girl, etc.) in order to be taken seriously.

When it came to actual game, GLL was awful and had cringey pickup lines. However, he was in a class of his own when it came to actually getting results. All of these pickup clowns post bogus lines, debate nonsense all the time, and barely get results. Even pickup groups are loaded with clowns that chase clout, try to argue their way to a higher status by posting theories and complaining all the time, and actually suck with women.

GLL had a system where your success was measured based on your actual results with women and guys became mods because of their results.

I have never in my life seen a community quite like that where guys come in inexperienced, are held accountable, put in the work, and are turning into slayers a year down the road. TBH, I don't think there will ever be a community quite like that. Most of these pickup clowns are either too busy with politics, too busy debating social issues, selling you a scammy service, attacking other PUAs, and that's about it. You might have some that post inflieds but that is the best you will get.

 

[characternote]

I do not know who this guys are but :

1) the guy in the 2nd video who is commenting on the background , most of the girls that he is around are 5-6 and some bellow . Nothing to brag about banging 5 and 6s

2) the guy in the 1st video that is doing the field report , mainly the girls are attracted to him from the get go that basically he can say anything

dunno what these videos should prove , but for sure they do not really prove anything . Maybe just that most of these coaches are just scam artists

i just posted them 2 infields for comparison since there was some debate a few pages back about UMP and jmulv so thought i'd post for people who don't know of either (that jmulv infield is from one of his paid products so most wouldn't ever see it but it's a good example of his 'game'). I posted the vid of jmulv ripping him as I stumbled upon it and thought it was funny since since one idiot (who claims to be the best there is) was ripping another guy (who many say is the best there is and an example of 'advanced game')

But yes, for sure, the lesson really is that they are all full of $hit. None of them are 'seducing' anyone. Of course. At best they are not screwing up with girls who like them. Same as anyone else

The only examples you will ever see (or not) of legit amazing 'seduction' are always purely anecdotal. No infield for example. Just the written word of people who claim to have abilities never before captured on film, who can bang any model they want, even if she is an 18 year old 10/10 and he is an obese 55 year old, since he has such verbal mastery. Such as the WRITERS on skilledseducer lol. Fiction

I may have posted this before on the thread. Even though he had awful game and was even caught faking infields (hiring a model), I think that Good Looking Loser by far had the best system for getting laid. The advice was as simple as look good (hit the gym, dress edgy, etc.), put yourself at favorable logistics (in a big city or a prime part of a big city), and have social freedom (talk to girls, be cool, etc.).

The reason I say this is because his forum back when it was alive had a number of guys who came in with almost no lays but left with 100s of lays after the fact. In other words, what he taught worked and guys changed their dating lives around because of that. The forum was action-oriented and even put emphasis on guys posting "receipts" (pics of them nude with the girl, nudes of the girl, etc.) in order to be taken seriously.

When it came to actual game, GLL was awful and had cringey pickup lines. However, he was in a class of his own when it came to actually getting results. All of these pickup clowns post bogus lines, debate nonsense all the time, and barely get results. Even pickup groups are loaded with clowns that chase clout, try to argue their way to a higher status by posting theories and complaining all the time, and actually suck with women.

GLL had a system where your success was measured based on your actual results with women and guys became mods because of their results.

I have never in my life seen a community quite like that where guys come in inexperienced, are held accountable, put in the work, and are turning into slayers a year down the road. TBH, I don't think there will ever be a community quite like that. Most of these pickup clowns are either too busy with politics, too busy debating social issues, selling you a scammy service, attacking other PUAs, and that's about it. You might have some that post infileds but that is the best you will get.

Yep. His game was basic as you can get, but anything much more is generally overkill, tbh. You get your look handled (get as 'hot' as you can be) and you put yourself in target rich environments, and then you simply play the numbers.

I don't have a problem with 'basic' game at all, although i don't like people marketing it as something special. That's what john anthony is doing. His 'game' can be summarised by me in about 3 sentences (essentially into a short script) not to mention his god awful body language and awkwardness and nervous laughter as he begs the girl to let him touch her bum etc. But he promotes this idea that he's doing something clever

I saw a vid from UMP (the guy who some rave about having 'nex level verbal game' etc) and it's just him hitting on a girl endlessly saying things like 'I can tell you like dominant guys' etc, 'are you adventurous? yes?! that's good...'' setting 'frames' and trying to get her to qualify herself etc, but it doesn't lead anywhere at all, and I could have told him that within about 20 seconds of the open! It was just obvious to me. He probably just wasn't her type. Even despite her agreeing to the 'frames' he was setting etc he wasn't able to get the compliance he wanted since attraction is necessary.

Anyway, here's GLL

How to Get Laid At A Bar In About 15 Minutes.mp4

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[Jesse Pinkman]

@characternote

Yeah you have a point but to be honest, even just saying that alone puts GLL and the likes of JMLUV far above the rest. What that tells you is that the bar is really really really low in the world of pickup. How low? Look at this video below and see if you make it past 2 minutes.

^^Even that isn't all that bad compared to a guy who goes to a country, calls all of the women there racist, and then starts a forum based around dudes mentally masturbating over their attractiveness in country X vs. country Y.

Think that's the lowest? How about an actual neo-Nazi becoming a PUA and then spending most of their time being racist and hateful rather than producing good game content.

How about some old dude making up graphs about male attractiveness when he is married to a 4 himself?

Literally 80% of the pickup world is

• Dudes mentally masturbating over travels and graphs and sexual marketplaces
• Dudes becoming xenophobic and obsessed with politics
• Dudes complaining about how much city X sucks and how much country X sucks

Even something as easy as having infields (albeit not nearly as bad as the clown I posted above) put a guy far above average and then suggesting what GLL put him in the elite. I think a legitimate dude who has a great system, great infields, and a great community could have a monopoly on the pickup game.

 

[Mazer]

Sosuave.net forums. You don’t need a coach, save your money.

 

[Epicwinguy]

Coaches are a scam. Anything they teach can be found online for free