"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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That’s some good results right there ! Good work. :cool:

! but how many girls did you go on dates with in total to get the 75 bangs is what I meant,

like what was the conversion rate from # total dates

Like 1 date in 3/4/5 went somewhere and ended up converting to sex down the track..
No idea honestly. It varied. Starting out I wasn't very good at converting, but over time I became extremely good (almost too good) at converting. However, when I got out of the exclusive relationships it would take me a little bit of time to get back in the flow again so at first I would not be great again and then would begin improving quickly.

OLD is all about volume. If you want results from it, you have to get volume, and most importantly be able to get them to meet in person.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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No idea honestly. It varied. Starting out I wasn't very good at converting, but over time I became extremely good (almost too good) at converting. However, when I got out of the exclusive relationships it would take me a little bit of time to get back in the flow again so at first I would not be great again and then would begin improving quickly.

OLD is all about volume. If you want results from it, you have to get volume, and most importantly be able to get them to meet in person.
Re volume yeah true, I have 200 matches on my Hinge from about 5-6months.
Probably been on 35-40 dates this year.
I think 15ish lays .. in Jan-may this year.

What at do you make of this redhead chicks behaviour from last night .. ?

she did a switch from originally being almost up for having me come to her place .. for food and drinks…then putting up obstacles to that idea… then FaceTiming me … then switching it to a drinks date at a nearby bar ….bar hopping and c0cktails and watched a band ..4 hour date …making out…

then after we said goodbye with a pash
I get a dear John text after it all at 2am.

maybe she was up for a hookup originally, then saw me and changed her mind sussing me out for more than that I guess.

weird

And annoying for me…

sick of this bullsh1t!!
 

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Re volume yeah true, I have 200 matches on my Hinge from about 5-6months.
Probably been on 35-40 dates this year.
I think 15ish lays .. in Jan-may this year.

What at do you make of this redhead chicks behaviour from last night .. ?

she did a switch from originally being almost up for having me come to her place .. for food and drinks…then putting up obstacles to that idea… then FaceTiming me … then switching it to a drinks date at a nearby bar ….bar hopping and c0cktails and watched a band ..4 hour date …making out…

then after we said goodbye with a pash
I get a dear John text after it all at 2am.

maybe she was up for a hookup originally, then saw me and changed her mind sussing me out for more than that I guess.

weird

And annoying for me…

sick of this bullsh1t!!
Hard to really say. It's one woman and one interaction. Could be she didn't see you as a SNL worthy guy but at the same time also didn't see you as having long term potential. So then you would have ended up somewhere in the murky middle which is where many women don't like going.
 

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Hard to really say. It's one woman and one interaction. Could be she didn't see you as a SNL worthy guy but at the same time also didn't see you as having long term potential. So then you would have ended up somewhere in the murky middle which is where many women don't like going.
yeah .. good points .
Upon reflection as she was somewhat open to the house visit .. perhaps I should have pressed her on that one and pushed for that scenario only.

may mistake was accepting the switch proposal of meetup and drinks I reckon.

I went from Lover frame to provider frame right then.
And I currently don’t have the status/money value in that frame to convert to sex.

this chicks last casual relationship was some ‘older gentleman’ swinger guy she met on a hinge. She told me it took a while for her to see his place and when she did he lived in a Mansion in a rich suburb and was a retired ,loaded dude. So lotsa cash, fancy lifestyle and also importantly , party drugs.:cry:

this redhead had a baggie she was dipping into all through the date last night on her toilet visiits…

same with another chick I met a few weeks back.

the hotter ladies defs want the status/money/lifestyle also in the ongoing relationship frame.. or so I’m finding.

acrually on reflection - both chicks told me in stories on the date a lot of this kind of info about their previous BFs.. they were basically telling me “this is how I roll and what I expect”

but I’m a bit slow on the uptake. :rolleyes:
must pay more attention from now on.

This is for sure how women communicate.. indirectly via “stories”.
It’s a read-between-the-lines type deal imo/ime.
I often miss this worrying about other things and not active listening.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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No idea honestly. It varied. Starting out I wasn't very good at converting, but over time I became extremely good (almost too good) at converting.
How can you be ‘almost TOO good’ at converting /success in dating…?

I thought that was the whole point ..
ie ‘getting Game’.?

what’s the downside in the case your describing idk

-confused
 

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How can you be ‘almost TOO good’ at converting /success in dating…?

I thought that was the whole point ..
ie ‘getting Game’.?

what’s the downside in the case your describing idk

-confused
Because then it leads to issues with too many plates, too much mental and physical work and eventually literal physical exhaustion from fvcking too much.
 
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