Fantasy, Mystery and Mastery

[BillyPilgrim]

well I am glad I’m spot on with that bit !
(Extensive research done on dis )



Yes indeed.
So if I can translate this -
If (a) he looks cute:hot,

and then if he
(b)
+has a sexy voice and expresses his emotions with it (that you can relate to)
+he smells good and sexy ,
+has sexy body language
+has sexy energy /vibe and makes you feel appreciated and also sexy

= then yes, you will likely be hooking up and having a mutual sexytimes experience.

Thank you for this.
So in synopsis , guys need to work on

(a) looking cute/sexy as possible

(b) acting as sexy as possible and putting out a sexy vibe - so she can relate, relax, feel sexy, and have sex.

which is my ‘Game’ with women , in a nutshell!
In layman’s terms, haha.
‘look sexy, act sexy.’


Pretty simple process really. Some guys really complicate the sh1t out of it tho.

Ya it's better to have somehwat of a playful vibe than dark, distant and mysterious

 

[BillyPilgrim]

I'm speaking, in general.

The fact that the man would lose points if he made the suggestion, is a testament to the entitlement the woman has, to not paying.

"How dare he suggest I pay!!" .

That kind of shiit^...that kind of reaction.



Because, men have traditionally put women on pedestals, and men have traditionally been weak and having scarcity mindsets.



But that's not what is (and has) been pushed to society now, is it?



A man shouldn't withhold taking women out on dates.

But he should withhold taking them out on PAY dates...women that he doesn't know, or who haven't earned access to his wallet.

That's my only beef.

Women do the same thing with their V....no access to their V until they "get to know you".

Well, as men, no access to our..

1. Non-sexual attention.
2. Money.

Until we get to know you.

See how that should work?

Those two things should be valued by men, and earned by women.

And on that first no-pay date, the man should be monitoring and gauging (testing) her reactions to his building of sexual tension..and if the chemistry is there, and it is genuine, then that determines whether he should proceed further with her, and let things blossom from there.



I agree, it is literally the same concept.



Unfortunately, looking for substance and depth will give most men all the more reason to simp out.

No free attention Venom.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

No free attention Venom.

If anything is free, it is the education.

No charge for the lessons.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

If anything is free, it is the education.

No charge for the lessons.

Appreciate you man, but @Sega Genesis is a chick who likes to "talk" like a car that never leaves the roundabout. Like a thirsty desert that seeps up the rain of attention, but nothing ever grows.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Ya it's better to have somehwat of a playful vibe than dark, distant and mysterious

well, the ideal is to balance both.
The playful vibe pushes the “facts” to the back.
So a guy can keep the mystery and distance intact , and spur the woman to start pursuing. To uncover the “facts”.

it’s the ‘cat -string theory’ idea.

that’d be gist of how I’d go about it.

a dark vibe = notsomuch.
But that depends on the chick and what she’s looking for.

 

[Plinco]

Taken from another thread.



Totally agree!

Does anyone read the articles posted here? Below is one of the better ones and thought it might be worthy of discussion.


Why Mystery Attracts Women (And How to Use It Most Effectively)

by Allen Suave

Women don't chase brooding loners in leather jackets who vanish after midnight.

What they are drawn to is HEALTHY INTRIGUE.

The quiet sense that a man has depth, boundaries, and a life that doesn’t revolve around her attention.

You’ve probably seen it. That guy who doesn’t overshare his life story on date one. Who doesn’t text back instantly. Who seems unrushed. And you wonder: “What’s his secret?”

His secret is mystery, selective vulnerability, and quiet power.

You don't play games or become emotionally unavailable. You simply respect your own value enough to reveal yourself gradually, not desperately.

I used to do the opposite. On my second date with someone I liked, I’d dump my entire emotional history (childhood wounds, ex drama, career fears) like I was auditioning for her therapist. I thought honesty meant opening up.

What I didn’t realize is that oversharing does not create intimacy. It creates pressure. It forces her to carry your weight before trust is built. And it kills mystery, the very spark that fuels curiosity.

Real intrigue is earned... by living a life worth asking about.

Here’s how to cultivate it, authentically:

Hold Back 50%

Share openly, but leave room for discovery.

Talk about your passion for woodworking, but don’t explain every project. Mention you traveled solo through Portugal, but save the wild stories for later. Let her wonder, “What else is there?”

Mystery lives in the gaps.

Don’t Chase Her Attention

If she doesn’t reply right away, don’t double-text. If she cancels plans last minute, don’t grovel.

A grounded man operates from abundance: “My time is valuable too.”
This shows self-respect. And it makes her work to earn your energy.

Let Your Life Speak

Instead of telling her you’re interesting, show it.

Post less online. Live more offline. Train for that marathon. Start that side hustle. Dive into your craft.

When your life is rich and full, you don’t need to explain it. You simply invite her to glimpse it. And that’s irresistible.

Answer Questions, But Don’t Volunteer Everything

She asks, “What do you do?” Give a clear, confident answer. Then turn it back to her.

Don’t launch into a 10-minute monologue about your job unless she asks for more. Let curiosity build naturally.

Your brevity is an invitation for her to think more and dig deeper.

Be Emotionally Available, Not Emotionally Exposed

Vulnerability is powerful. But timing matters.

Share your values early. Save your deepest wounds for when trust is mutual.

A man who reveals himself wisely shows he’s both strong and human... not fragile and seeking rescue.

The Bottom Line

Women aren’t attracted to men they can fully figure out in 20 minutes.

They’re drawn to men who feel like a journey... and one worth taking slowly.

So stop trying to prove you’re worthy by giving everything away at once.

Start building a life so grounded, so quietly compelling, that she WANTS to uncover more.

That’s mystery and mastery rolled up into one irresistible package.

This is a good little article but this has been repeated on here for many times. It comes from a mentality of not caring what other people think

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Appreciate you man, but @Sega Genesis is a chick who likes to "talk" like a car that never leaves the roundabout. Like a thirsty desert that seeps up the rain of attention, but nothing ever grows.

Looks like I need to get her in a Walmart parking lot .

 

[Sega Genesis]

And on that first no-pay date, the man should be monitoring and gauging (testing) her reactions to his building of sexual tension..and if the chemistry is there, and it is genuine, then that determines whether he should proceed further with her, and let things blossom from there.

^^Well the idea is to do something that is light and fun for both of you...to create the best vibe for monitoring and gauging the sexual tension between you. Not just hers, but both of you together. Again as true genuine chemistry/tension is typically mutual. .

And that often requires at least a little bit of money Venom - drinks, light apps, a burger at a cool sports bar? Even something as simple as an ice cream cone costs money ffs.

Thai said I DO respect your opinion re "No Pay" at all, and that's fine since obviously it works well for you!

All in all I think we agree on everything else and said so earlier (below)

Low key dates with a focus on paying attention to a woman's actions and determining if there's mutual sexual chemistry/tension, which again can be done subtly.

How she looks at him, moving closer, mirroring him, light keno etc. Such things are almost done unconsciously IME when the chemistry and sexual tension are present and happening.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Looks like I need to get her in a Walmart parking lot .

She'll never leave the car. If you sell the car, you'd have to include her.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

^^Well the idea is to do something that is light and fun for both of you...to create the best vibe for monitoring and gauging the sexual tension between you. Not just hers, but both of you together. Again as true genuine chemistry/tension is typically mutual.

Guess what; THAT'S MY POINT.

And that often requires at least a little bit of money Venom - drinks, light apps, a burger at a cool sports bar? Even something as simple as an ice cream cone costs money ffs.

A walk in the park costs nothing.

Thai said I DO respect your opinion re "No à, as xaPay" at all, and that's fine since obviously it works well for you!

It's not an opinion, though.

Some ways are simply more efficient, and some are more of a costly gamble.

All in all I think we agree on everything else and said so earlier (below)

Bet.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

She'll never leave the car. If you sell the car, you'd have to include her.

She can remain in the car...that's where all the action will take place .

 

[Sega Genesis]

A walk in the park costs nothing.

Very true no argument from me! Or the beach. Or watching the sunset!

All great ways to gauge the vibe and tension that cost no money.

Completely agree and can't speak for other women but personally I would be quite open to that. And have!

Good point V..

 

[Cheeky_James]

@Sega Genesis

Who shared the BJ in the parking lot story tho? I’m intrigued….

I think re online , the ‘Netflix & Chill ‘ dates are pretty common over the last decade. If not two decades tbh.. it’s what all the younger gens got into.. aka ‘hookup culture ‘

 

[Sega Genesis]

I think re online , the ‘Netflix & Chill ‘ dates are pretty common tbh over the last decade.

I had a 'Netflix and Chill' date the other night. I've been seeing the guy for awhile though so it's different from a first meet off an app (which I don't do anyway).

We watched "The Housemaid" streaming on Prime (not Netflix lol). See my thread in "Anything Else."

Wow.

 

[Sega Genesis]

@Sega Genesis
Who shared the BJ in the parking lot story tho? I’m intrigued….

I'll let him respond if he cares to.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Very true no argument from me! Or the beach. Or watching the sunset!

All great ways to gauge the vibe and tension that cost no money.

Indeed, perfect.

Completely agree and can't speak for other women but personally I would be quite open to that. And have!

Good point V..

And to be honest, most women will probably be open to it, but since the average guy will lead with his wallet, ain't no need in biting the hand that is feeding you (woman's perspective).