This one thing equals Frame

[BeExcellent]

but we are discussing it SO well already on THIS thread BE

I’d disagree re 1-4.
1-4 is looksmaxxing which is fundamental yep.
In interactions a guy will get results the fastest by this step 1 of his interactions.

1. work the sh1t out of his ability to project Dominance. alpha qualities , leader vibe/Boss vibe.

cos that’s really really Key in sexual selection for women. Sell the absolute sh1t out of that.
And it’s gonna be a very uncomfortable experience to begin with. It’s hard to learn for an average Nice guy.
it’s not gonna be pretty to start with,
But it’s the big switch to flip to get results and repeatability.

No. I disagree strongly. If you have to "work the shjt out of your ability to project Dominance, alpha bla bla bla"?????

Then you aren't dominant, you aren't alpha etc....

You are a poser.

It must be genuine and real. An act isn't going to work on top women.

That means you actually must be this man on the inside. That emotionally regulated, solid man. It is not a costume you put on to go out. It must be who you actually are.

Glassguy IS that guy. Period. He can "be himself" because he IS that guy. Women respond to that solidity of self. It is subconscious but it gets on the radar. No amount of 'try hard' posing will substitute.

Maybe for a night if you get a drunk girl to go home with you, but beyond that you must be congruent or girls are going to bolt.

Next idea?

 

[Cheeky_James]

No. I disagree strongly. If you have to "work the shjt out of your ability to project Dominance, alpha bla bla bla"?????

Then you aren't dominant, you aren't alpha etc....

You are a poser.

It must be genuine and real. An act isn't going to work on top women.

That means you actually must be this man on the inside. That emotionally regulated, solid man. It is not a costume you put on to go out. It must be who you actually are.

I love this perspective.
You say it ‘must’ be genuine and real..that I actually ‘must’ be this man on the inside…

and WHY is it now that I ‘must’ be?
And says who?

my mommy? Strangers on the internet?
The girls ,who sometimes discover the guy they shagged is not everything she thought he was?
(Nawwwwww the poor darlings!)

most of the chicks I banged were one night or 2 night stands babe. It’s all good . Good sex. Seeya later in the morning. Never seen again quite often the case . They can bolt in the morning for sure! Just Fun and all gravy for both of us.

So who cares and what’s the problem again?
Btw I keep stating I’m not talking about relationships . They can start in many different ways.

as for an act not working ‘on top’ women,
I got on top of a fair few! Haha.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Ok. Pretty good.
immune to rejection , emotionally unbothered, non reaction is ok.. for a while.
but rejection accumulates on the psyche,

but do you try to Win The Frame?
Are you turning No’s into Yes’ here and there..
Do you try to flip the rejection around and smash it and get a girl to comply with your pickup frame or another frame like a’ I’m Better Than You’ Frame?

if not .. why not.
Maybe you could be more Boss. IDK.

I never saw the argument of rejection affecting the psyche tbh. Bad mindset imo, I think it’s really important that you’re unaffected by them.

My old wing once said something along the lines of “it’s not as easy as it used to be and it’s messing with me mentally.” I was like oh my God, what a terrible mindset. The girls get in his head super easily, and it comes off as a victim mentality.

We can’t control girls attitudes.

But we can control how we react to it, how early get out, how many approaches we do, what venues we go to, your career, fitness diet gym, fashion, etc.

 

[BPH]

1. Makes $40k and lives in parents basement at 31 years old.
2. 
   Admits to sexual assault in his own name and is blasted on red flag websites and in a bar and thrown out.
3. 
   Repeat.

@Cheeky_James this guy is actually a great example of somebody who doesn't have frame.

Because I've blocked him, and he's not getting the attention he wants, he injects his attacks into unrelated conversations. Furthermore, he's taken it upon himself to copy my profile picture (which is me), as himself, and took one of my quotes to use as his signature.

His 1st point is only half true. I make closer to $50k and I do live with my parents, but I'm not living in their basement.

His 2nd point is entirely made up, and he seems to be creating his own lore at this point. I'm listed as having red flags on an app, singular, not multiple websites, and I've never been thrown out of a bar. It's ironic he's saying I've committed sexual assault because he's committed ACTUAL assault against his ex-girlfriend, which you can read about in the pinned No-Contact Thread pinned at the top there.

Keep in mind...this is a 40-something-year-old divorcee with kids acting like this.

He does not have frame because he is letting his emotions regulate his behavior, rather than the other way around. Granted, he has admitted to being bipolar, and describes that he takes medication and attends therapy for this, but maybe he's missed a few sessions...

 

[Cheeky_James]

@Cheeky_James this guy is actually a great example of somebody who doesn't have frame.

Because I've blocked him, and he's not getting the attention he wants, he injects his attacks into unrelated conversations. Furthermore, he's taken it upon himself to copy my profile picture (which is me), as himself, and took one of my quotes to use as his signature.

His 1st point is only half true. I make closer to $50k and I do live with my parents, but I'm not living in their basement.

His 2nd point is entirely made up, and he seems to be creating his own lore at this point. I'm listed as having red flags on an app, singular, not multiple websites, and I've never been thrown out of a bar. It's ironic he's saying I've committed sexual assault because he's committed ACTUAL assault against his ex-girlfriend, which you can read about in the pinned No-Contact Thread pinned at the top there.

Keep in mind...this is a 40-something-year-old divorcee with kids acting like this.

He does not have frame because he is letting his emotions regulate his behavior, rather than the other way around. Granted, he has admitted to being bipolar, and describes that he takes medication and attends therapy for this, but maybe he's missed a few sessions...

yeah I’ve gathered the story between you guys.
It was pretty funny his post tho how he did it.

 

[Cheeky_James]

To @BPH and others;

this is how I would describe my model of what’s happening in bars and clubs and hence pickup methods of girls there.(for hookups)

These are not original new ideas or fully my own of course.

if a woman is out at such venues , and is hot n horny and wanting to get laid…She faces a big risk and a trade off type situation in sexual selection.

The big risk is she has a ONS and gets pregnant.
And the guy is not interested exits/bolts whatever.
So there’s big consequences. Even with contraception. That can fail or not be used in the heat of sex.

soooo the primary factor in selection is …does the guy have Alpha -type winner traits? Is he a dominant/Boss guy?

if so , it may be a big turn on for her. And get her engine started towards legs opening.

For the sex, as he’s a dominant Boss guy. He’ll dominate and she will comply/submit.
Pretty hot for women that one.
She’ll likely get great sex /get off in a ONS.

She’s hedging her bets, because she’s not gonna have time to really get to know the guy. It’s a ONS.

The trade off is if she’s gonna risk a ONS and be a single mom then at least the baby will inherit those dominant genes and will survive and likey prosper regardless.


that proposition is in a lot of evo science books it’s pretty correct for selection in bars and clubs .
imo and ime doing pickup and getting more success .

so higher value, status, etc ties in with the above.
Looks obviously tie in. But the displaying alpha /dominant thing is the key for me. And in conversation , I’d call it frame control or verbal dominance.

That’s how I see it. I’m sure there’s a concise term and theory . Don’t think I’m red-pill ,It’s my view from lotsa experiences. But perhaps I am IDK.

 

[Divorced w 3]

1. Makes $40k and lives in parents basement at 31 years old.
2. 
   Admits to sexual assault in his own name and is blasted on red flag websites and in a bar and thrown out.
3. 
   Repeat.

His 1st point is only half true. I make closer to $50k and I do live with my parents, but I'm not living in their basement.

 

[Divorced w 3]

@Cheeky_James this guy is actually a great example of somebody who doesn't have frame.

Because I've blocked him, and he's not getting the attention he wants, he injects his attacks into unrelated conversations. Furthermore, he's taken it upon himself to copy my profile picture (which is me), as himself, and took one of my quotes to use as his signature.

His 1st point is only half true. I make closer to $50k and I do live with my parents, but I'm not living in their basement.

His 2nd point is entirely made up, and he seems to be creating his own lore at this point. I'm listed as having red flags on an app, singular, not multiple websites, and I've never been thrown out of a bar. It's ironic he's saying I've committed sexual assault because he's committed ACTUAL assault against his ex-girlfriend, which you can read about in the pinned No-Contact Thread pinned at the top there.

Keep in mind...this is a 40-something-year-old divorcee with kids acting like this.

He does not have frame because he is letting his emotions regulate his behavior, rather than the other way around. Granted, he has admitted to being bipolar, and describes that he takes medication and attends therapy for this, but maybe he's missed a few sessions...

Frame? Lol. You say I’m on block but you keep coming out of the closet - sorry meant basement - to take shots and derail threads about me because i adopted your own words and material on my account (which you supposedly can’t see). Then you report me even though you supposedly can’t see me. Incredible frame. The rest of the board thought your photo was a riot. You specifically can’t see signatures unless you’re on desktop. How many more times do you want to inadvertently point out that you sit on a computer all day reading SoSuave without actually saying it? Do you ever get sunlight?

 

[BPH]

Frame? Lol. You say I’m on block but you keep coming out of the closet - sorry meant basement - to take shots and derail threads about me because i adopted your own words and material on my account (which you supposedly can’t see). Then you report me even though you supposedly can’t see me. Incredible frame. The rest of the board thought your photo was a riot. You specifically can’t see signatures unless you’re on desktop. How many more times do you want to inadvertently point out that you sit on a computer all day reading SoSuave without actually saying it? Do you ever get sunlight?

Let's go piece by piece...

Frame? Lol. You say I’m on block but you keep coming out of the closet - sorry meant basement - to take shots and derail threads about me because i adopted your own words and material on my account (which you supposedly can’t see).

I was responding to @Cheeky_James . This had nothing to do with you until you came in, begging for attention, once again, by insulting me with the quotes that are now your new profile picture.

Then you report me even though you supposedly can’t see me.

I didn't report you. I was messaged because you were using my profile picture, and the mods wanted to know what was going on with that, since I'm sure some users thought you were me, as in the case where @nicksaiz65 said he had to do a double-take. Here's that conversation:

The rest of the board thought your photo was a riot.

You're literally the only one who thinks that. At least my picture is of me. You change your picture a lot to random sh** - let's see you.

You specifically can’t see signatures unless you’re on desktop. How many more times do you want to inadvertently point out that you sit on a computer all day reading SoSuave without actually saying it? Do you ever get sunlight?

Yeah...I only visit SoSuave on my desktop because it's a mess on mobile. Considering I work remotely, it's usually an active tab.

You're up in Philly, right?

We have the unique ability to squash this, face-to-face...you're only about an hour away. However, the fact that you're bipolar, have physically assaulted your ex-girlfriend, and have been continuing to throw this tantrum for several weeks has me questioning your mental stability.

 

[BeExcellent]

I love this perspective.
You say it ‘must’ be genuine and real..that I actually ‘must’ be this man on the inside…

and WHY is it now that I ‘must’ be?
And says who?

my mommy? Strangers on the internet?
The girls ,who sometimes discover the guy they shagged is not everything she thought he was?
(Nawwwwww the poor darlings!)

most of the chicks I banged were one night or 2 night stands babe. It’s all good . Good sex. Seeya later in the morning. Never seen again quite often the case . They can bolt in the morning for sure! Just Fun and all gravy for both of us.

So who cares and what’s the problem again?
Btw I keep stating I’m not talking about relationships . They can start in many different ways.

as for an act not working ‘on top’ women,
I got on top of a fair few! Haha.

If your mating strategy is strictly the short term ONS grab, then sure. Keep taking advantage of situations where you can end up with a slvt who exercised poor judgement, even a blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes. But to be able to pull night in & night out and/or hold down a longer interaction or relationship? You gotta be solid.

Not me or mommy telling you this....the MARKET will tell you this. But if you just want the occassional wick wetting? Hey keep doing you. You don't care about quality of human anyway. You don't see women as human....

Which is both sad and potentially bad news for some poor girl.

 

[Divorced w 3]

Let's go piece by piece...



I was responding to @Cheeky_James . This had nothing to do with you until you came in, begging for attention, once again, by insulting me with the quotes that are now your new profile picture.



I didn't report you. I was messaged because you were using my profile picture, and the mods wanted to know what was going on with that, since I'm sure some users thought you were me, as in the case where @nicksaiz65 said he had to do a double-take. Here's that conversation:

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You're literally the only one who thinks that. At least my picture is of me. You change your picture a lot to random sh** - let's see you.



Yeah...I only visit SoSuave on my desktop because it's a mess on mobile. Considering I work remotely, it's usually an active tab.

You're up in Philly, right?

We have the unique ability to squash this, face-to-face...you're only about an hour away. However, the fact that you're bipolar, have physically assaulted your ex-girlfriend, and have been continuing to throw this tantrum for several weeks has me questioning your mental stability.

Physical threat over an anonymous internet account

 

[BPH]

Physical threat over an anonymous internet account

What did I say?

I said "squash this, face-to-face".

I did not say "let's fight".

I'd be more worried about YOU being violent, since you're the one who's managed to throw this tantrum for something like 2 or 3 weeks straight.

 

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[Bokanovsky]

I’d imagine most naturals had some role model(s) and advice.

I would imagine that most true naturals are psychopaths. You don't have to worry about things like approach anxiety and self-sabotage when you lack fear, empathy and inhibition and view women as characters in a video game as opposed to real human beings.

 

[Plinco]

It's a great post with a crappy headline. Emotional control and strength of conviction aren't the same things, and both are components of frame.

Correct

If we define "frame" by how one perceives reality, I'd say it's belief more so than emotional control.

Ability to maintain control over your emotions.

The essence of frame is confidence/self-efficacy, which results in the expression of emotional vitality and emotional fortitude.


Emotions of high vitality:

Joy
Love
Optimism/Hope
Pride
Confidence
Gratitude
Desire

Emotions of low vitality:

Grief
Fear
Despair
Guilt
Frustration
Anger

Emotional fortitude comes from pain/frustration tolerance; the ability to focus despite pain and or frustration. This does not mean that you have less emotions, it's about how you react to stimuli.

 

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No. The man told me to come meet me in real life. He’s disclosed his name. Handle it or I will - with cops.

 

[Cheeky_James]

If your mating strategy is strictly the short term ONS grab, then sure. Keep taking advantage of situations where you can end up with a slvt who exercised poor judgement, even a blind squirrel gets a nut sometimes. But to be able to pull night in & night out and/or hold down a longer interaction or relationship? You gotta be solid.

Not me or mommy telling you this....the MARKET will tell you this. But if you just want the occassional wick wetting? Hey keep doing you. You don't care about quality of human anyway. You don't see women as human....

Which is both sad and potentially bad news for some poor girl.

LOL the short term . Yep. That’s what getting results in Pickup in bar clubs is all about. It’s understanding *women’s* short term mating strategy. what they look for to scratch an itch when they are horny in those environments.

which is what most guys are consuming the wrong theory about how to crack. They going about it the long long way which probably won’t even get them there.

it’s interesting you dropped the term ‘Slvt’ .
As I knew you would at some point.

when you described the best guy you know..your ‘tall & trim friend’ that would ‘talk girls into blowing him or doing him in the parking lot or the loo, go back inside & do it again.’ ..

I notice you forgot to use the word ‘Slvt’ there hey?
That your good friend you show admiration for was very skilled at picking up ‘Slvts’… the best guy you know in fact, at picking up ‘slvts’?

so in fact it looks to be myself and your friend are the same no? Am I missing something?

We get similar results in bars and clubs with girls.
But apparently he is “authentic “. He is “real”. He is golden. lol.

Or he doesn’t pickup ‘Slvts’ somehow even though their behaviour is the same as my lovely girls.

this is all a big crock of sh1t.

It’s a woman , doing her thing of ‘please don’t trick us guys- we like to have it both ways…we don’t like being tricked as it fvcks up our program’ (nawwww!)

please Nice Guys keep doing your thing and working on you self ‘ improvement ‘ so we can keep you as an option if we so desire… always be authentic it’s good for you! (but don’t forget , we wouldnt touch you in a bar or club if we’re horny, so sorry).

But let us give you advice to be better Nice Guys. More authentic and honest so you can be the best option you can be for us. we’ll just tell you it works in bars and clubs too. Just from the inside out of course. Just keep working on yourself.

lol…. Fvck that sh1t.
I can have it both ways too babe.
If it’s good for the Goose it’s good for the Gander as the old saying goes.

 

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We all have the evidence, and we are smart and rational enough to see who started this. I’m sure you can ask him to update his profile picture and signature since it is what escalated it all.

 

[Cheeky_James]

I would imagine that most true naturals are psychopaths. You don't have to worry about things like approach anxiety and self-sabotage when you lack fear, empathy and inhibition and view women as characters in a video game as opposed to real human beings.

they are not psychopaths dude.
True naturals have had attention from women since they were little kids. Cos they were pretty boy kids.
(Nawww look at it him ! He’s so cute and gorgeous!)
They then got attention from teenage girls since puberty . They started experience with women much much earlier and have just gotten 100x more experiences than the average guy by their teenage years (guesstimate). What they do in interactions is intuition/instinctual from repeated successes all their lives.

 

[Bokanovsky]

they are not psychopaths dude.
True naturals have had attention from women since they were little kids. Cos they were pretty boy kids.
(Nawww look at it him ! He’s so cute and gorgeous!)
They then got attention from teenage girls since puberty . They started experience with women much much earlier and have just gotten 100x more experiences than the average guy by their teenage years (guesstimate). What they do in interactions is intuition/instinctual from repeated successes all their lives.

That doesn't explain good looking guys who are bad with women (not exactly a rare phenomenon) and average or even below average guys who are good with women.