What happened to today women?

[Giovanni SouthSide]

What you are noticing is the societal “modern concept” shift.
Society started to go off the rails when they replaced courting culture with dating culture.
Courting led towards something long lasting: marriage. And it was done with people who lived in a culture that avoided building up baggage and body counts (the higher she has the more masculine she becomes)

Dating leads towards nothing but short term flings that all leave something broken in you and takes a piece of you forever. And even those that get married after dating around, well, we know the stats, no reason to be preaching to the choir about that. Dating culture needs to be eradicated. We know it's just a euphemism for sleeping around and playing with people so that maybe, just maybe you can keep them in your life for a little while until they become not good enough. It's all hedonism.

But going to back to the basics, there's really no point in building your health, fitness game, bank roll for the express purpose of attracting women.

Do that for yourself.

If she's attracted to that sh!t, you're in trouble.

You want her attracted to your sex game and your personality, not the easy and fashionable life that she could live with you.

Now, I genuinely feel like if she is not interested in the first few seconds of talking to you, it is a waste of time. Move on.

My opinion is that men would be better served putting in the effort to build a life with some substance, look their best and have a lot going for them socially to where less effort is required to pique the interest of a conservative chick or just get laid if you have that player bone in your body.

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

After six years in a relationship, I’ve started going back to social environments to meet and interact with women. But what I’m facing today is very different from six years ago. Back then, interacting with women was simple. Sure, I got tested, but overall it was a pleasant experience and the girls were open and approachable.


What I see now are women completely consumed by control issues. They’re attracted to my confidence, but then they try in every possible way to bring me down, to make me insecure, and to criticize every single one of my behaviors or movements. They try to get inside my head with passive-aggressive remarks, manipulation, and tactics.


Backing them up are men who are completely submissive—spineless men who obey any demand from women. In today’s society, I barely see any real men around anymore. I only see extremely weak, effeminate men who imitate female manipulative tactics by speaking in low voices and humiliating others behind their backs.


I’ve learned to become strong, I’ve healed my emotional wounds, and I’ve become stable and confident. But now I find myself surrounded by a world full of women and men who literally “hate” the kind of man I am. The women, although attracted, behave in totally narcissistic and entitled ways. They literally expect me to approach them just so they can reject me, trying to get me to chase them and make me needy.


But I don’t play that game. I hold my masculine frame and walk away. Yet instead of triggering attraction in these women, this triggers their ego. And the less they can control me, the more they try to tear me down. The only solution is to leave.


But I wonder… Is it feminism that has completely corrupted these girls’ minds? Or is it the fact that they have hundreds of simping men at their disposal, ready to serve them, making it impossible for them to grasp the idea of an independent man? What happened to women today? Is it really worth it?


Whenever I go out and try to approach women in different environments, I keep running into these extremely toxic personalities. I literally feel my energy drained, and the mental fatigue of having to deal with so much negativity honestly makes me lose any desire to interact with women.


It makes me think that maybe I should just focus on myself, on my inner peace, and on my own activities.


What’s your take on this? How’s the situation in your country? Here in Italy, the situation is terrible.

Holy crap? Thats ur experience in Italy??? I thought for sure u were describing the US. That is exactly my situation in the US.

 

[Grifonculo]

What you are noticing is the societal “modern concept” shift.
Society started to go off the rails when they replaced courting culture with dating culture.
Courting led towards something long lasting: marriage. And it was done with people who lived in a culture that avoided building up baggage and body counts (the higher she has the more masculine she becomes)

Dating leads towards nothing but short term flings that all leave something broken in you and takes a piece of you forever. And even those that get married after dating around, well, we know the stats, no reason to be preaching to the choir about that. Dating culture needs to be eradicated. We know it's just a euphemism for sleeping around and playing with people so that maybe, just maybe you can keep them in your life for a little while until they become not good enough. It's all hedonism.

But going to back to the basics, there's really no point in building your health, fitness game, bank roll for the express purpose of attracting women.

Do that for yourself.

If she's attracted to that sh!t, you're in trouble.

You want her attracted to your sex game and your personality, not the easy and fashionable life that she could live with you.

Now, I genuinely feel like if she is not interested in the first few seconds of talking to you, it is a waste of time. Move on.

My opinion is that men would be better served putting in the effort to build a life with some substance, look their best and have a lot going for them socially to where less effort is required to pique the interest of a conservative chick or just get laid if you have that player bone in your body.

You pictured perfectly the situation, thanks, I'll take your advise for good

 

[BaronOfHair]

Holy crap? Thats ur experience in Italy??? I thought for sure u were describing the US. That is exactly my situation in the US.

Life is tough everywhere and for everyone sometimes

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

Life is tough everywhere and for everyone sometimes

Very true

 

[BaronOfHair]

JJB's style is somewhat disjointed, and the point he's making isn't even especially original, nonetheless he's onto something here

4:30-end We don't have a problem with "today's women", so much as we do with our current social climate being a rehash of a prior mass hysteria*


*Today we forget that by the late 90s, the tide was turning against folks like Oprah to such an extent she was being publicly excoriated, even by The MSM
https://www.baltimoresun.com/1996/01/03/exhale-adds-to-bashing-of-black-men/ And that by time The 2000s rolled around, she and other gals of her disposition had become a punchline, whereas "classically feminine" women like Tyra Banks(well, at least Insofar as her public persona goes)were being exalted as what's desirable

Starting in the mid-10s, history began repeating itself, and mistaking Oprah or/and Carl Benjamin for role models became hip yet again

 

[Grifonculo]

Ok guys, I did some experiment, and I am coming back to say what is my experience.

So, yes, all the experiences with italian women I tryed ended in the same way. Italian women are trash.

They treath you like trash, and if you just take te courage to make the first move, you basically get involved in drama and rejection.

Approaching women from other country I get much openness and kindness.

So, the italian culture teach italian women to be rude, aggressive and to reject you in a ****ty way, like if you did something very bad. But of course they want anyway the man to aproach for validation and attention, just to reject you.

But the same happen also to foreign women that stay in Italy for a long period of time, assorbing the same culture and behaviour.

Going abroad, in other country, even just in north Europe, I get much better interaction and kindness from women.

Somy consideration, based on my experience is: what I initially wrote here in this topic is true, but not for all the wome, just for the italians or for those foreign women that absorbed the culture.

Dating in Italy is trash, women are super entitle and they just want you to treath you like trash. This is the actual italian culture, and if you are not a simp, you become a treath to these women that need you to put you back in your place.

I advise people not to get inItaly to get women,stay away from here, here you will get just trash.

 

[jhonny9546]

P.S. Almost every time an Italian guy comes around here he says the same thing: that men, friends, coworkers, teammates, families, and women are all trying to bring him down. Do you think maybe some guys just expect to be treated better than what they actually are?

No!
I'm Italian too.
I can confirm that women go for men who control their social circles through backstabbing, narcissism, and violence/arrogance.
These women still desire more "mature" and resilient men, but they feel bored, so they do what OP says.
In most cases, they go back to the "violent/immature/insecure/childish" man, but who is socially successful.
That's the definition of an alpha, at least here in Italy.

That said, these women have red flags.
It's simply difficult to find an Italian woman who tends to prefer healthier, more mature men.
This is why healthy, mature Italian men, or those living in Italy, feel lost in this relational/romantic sense.
Also because if you're not immature, you might find yourself living socially alone.

they'll be the one's acting like "simps"

Exactly, you can see this exaggerated here in Italy.
Women works for the relationship while many of those "alpha" do nothing

You are clearly not Chad.

Non si tratta di essere Chad, ma di essere Chad per lei.
Puoi sempre essere il Chad per qualcuno

 

[BaronOfHair]

So, the italian culture teach italian women to be rude, aggressive and to reject you in a ****ty way, like if you did something very bad

There are a few specific demographics of women here in The US who operate in a similar fashion. It's simple enough to avoid them

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Throughout the course of the history of mankind one thing has been true.

Adapt or die.

 

[Grifonculo]

Throughout the course of the history of mankind one thing has been true.

Adapt or die.

yes I can adapt, and just leaveItaly. I discovered, both inold experience abroad, both recently, that italian men are very desired in the world. That's probably because italian women are so difficult and demanding that italians developed an higher sensitivityin dealing with women. is like to play in hard mode, and going abroad the difficulty go down to normal/easy. In holand I literally got women approaching me telling me "I am looking for a boy" or "you are so cool". In fact to kiss these women was very direct and easy.

So my final tought is notto complain, but just to tell all men here in this international community that italian women sucks, and sucks very bad. Most italian are submitted simps, they do everything women says, and if you stand out, you became a threath.

I don't get anything in telling this, because I project to leave this messed up country and live in a better country. Italy today is a country made of weak men submitted to narcisistic and entitled women. While in other country there may be a smal percentage of people of this kind, I am figuring out that in Italy MOST women are like this, and MOST men are weak simps.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

yes I can adapt, and just leaveItaly. I discovered, both inold experience abroad, both recently, that italian men are very desired in the world. That's probably because italian women are so difficult and demanding that italians developed an higher sensitivityin dealing with women. is like to play in hard mode, and going abroad the difficulty go down to normal/easy. In holand I literally got women approaching me telling me "I am looking for a boy" or "you are so cool". In fact to kiss these women was very direct and easy.

So my final tought is notto complain, but just to tell all men here in this international community that italian women sucks, and sucks very bad. Most italian are submitted simps, they do everything women says, and if you stand out, you became a threath.

I don't get anything in telling this, because I project to leave this messed up country and live in a better country. Italy today is a country made of weak men submitted to narcisistic and entitled women. While in other country there may be a smal percentage of people of this kind, I am figuring out that in Italy MOST women are like this, and MOST men are weak simps.

But the one thing they have going for them is that Italian women are the most likely to enjoy anal in the world according to studies.

 

[jhonny9546]

@Grifonculo In Italian, we say "Tutto er monno è paese."

I'm absolutely convinced that the same sentiment prevails elsewhere.

It's up to us men to grow up and find the exception that comes from a good family.

After all, if you put a nun with prostitutes, she'll become a prostitute.
If you put a nun in a convent, she'll be a nun.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

But the one thing they have going for them is that Italian women are the most likely to enjoy anal in the world according to studies.

Sounds like sh1tty women.

 

[L3git]

This is an interesting topic. I see the same thing in America where (especially in NY) are more liberal and find conservatism unattractive. This type of shift had me afraid to get back into dating. Shall I adapt and become a liberal p***y. Or be myself?

 

[BPH]

This is an interesting topic. I see the same thing in America where (especially in NY) are more liberal and find conservatism unattractive. This type of shift had me afraid to get back into dating. Shall I adapt and become a liberal p***y. Or be myself?

Absolutely not.

My brother lives in New York. He isn't very political, but his leanings are more right than left, and he's doing fine with women.