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Troubling new trend: women on dating apps demand dinner dates

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From her site:

‘Lisa didn't focus on dating in her 20's and early 30's - she prioritized finishing college, starting a career, learning new skills and working on personal development.“

Sorry Lisa, you screwed up. Men want to marry women and have kids when the women are young, fresh, and exciting, They don’t want women when they are college educated and older.
 

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I reckon this is the result of 2 main factors - women getting increasingly more phucked out and alpha widowed over time, coupled with economic uncertainty. They want revenge, they want a free meal, they want a guy who is willing to pay for free meals. But bc they're alpha widowed, he has to be highly desireable.

This is how you end up with this, in the sausage fest SF Bay Area of all places


Narrator: Do not marry Lisa.
I can only imagine how many men are sending dikpics to her via her website. :rolleyes:

She's a bit rough to look at.
 
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Hard to say what is influencing this behaviour, but I believe it is about making the other party submissive. Leading with pride, as your example suggests, is more about insecurity; it’s a mask to hide self-doubt by forcing others to prove their worth first or attaching dinners to their self-worth. On the other hand, it could be simple bragging rights where they get to boast to their friends about how many dinners they had.

Nonetheless, I keep saying women have no game. Seduction, which is about fulfilling a need and keeping the interaction about pleasure and free of calculation, collapses as soon as an ulterior motive is shown. In any situation, people should avoid giving the sense that they’re pursuing something specific since doing so raises a resistance that it will never lower.

She will need to do something else if she wants that meal from you now.
 
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Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.

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Never had that happen to me ever. Sounds like a frame issue to me TBH. If Brad Pitt invited a girl to Applebee's happy hour, do you think she would scoff at him and demand Ruth Chris steak house? If a girl is doing this to you then you are probably coming off as weak and desperate right off the bat, and she is just seeing if you are that much of a sucker.
The Bradd Pitt/Drake analogy has to die already, I get it I get it but let's be realastic 90% of men will never be Brad Pitt, whether it's divine level looks or money lot of men just won't have the sauce. I know it's a mindset but most men just don't have the options like that, hence they allow themselves to get cucked!, unless you glow up and move to some shythole city or country(basically where you're the big fish in a small pond)where you're like that one dating coach with the red beard. You guys still spouting 2010 rhetoric, when you have women who are 5's now cucking their husbands. The only time I've seen the Brad Pitt analogy work is with guys who were ridiculously handsome. I'm talking about women paying their rent and paying to have their cars fix. How many guys on sosuave can say they have had a woman pay their rent? The best I ever got was an Armani Code Black lmfao.

A more accurate version of the Brad Pitt experiment would be, the guys in your city or metro area who are the top players or womanizers. If you have access to them and learning their mindsets etc, but I digress, I'm casting pearls before swine
 
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The Bradd Pitt/Drake analogy has to die already, I get it I get it but let's be realistic 90% of men will never be Brad Pitt, whether it's diviine level looks or money lot of men just won't have the sauce
I agree, it’s often exaggerated and used out of context. My point was that women can sense weak and desperate men and take advantage of them if given the chance. A better example might be meeting a teacher for the first time in class. Some teachers present such a strong presence that the class knows not to mess with them, while others come across as weak, and the class tests their limits to see what they can get away with. Women do the same thing with men. If you’re getting played by women in 2025, that’s on you, lol. Personally, I’ve never experienced what OP is talking about, but if it did happen, I’d just walk away. That said, I know plenty of beta males who deal with this regularly because their presence is as unstable as rotten wood, and they’re desperate as hell.

How many guys on sosuave can say they have had a woman pay their rent? The best I ever got was an Armani Code Black lmfao
Women often show interest in men they value highly, especially when they feel such men are rare. I've had women pay for my plane tickets, truck accessories, and other things because they saw me as someone special. I'm not a stereotypical "Chad," but I do think I'm fun to be around and offer the emotional excitement they enjoy. The red pill turns men into bitter angry robots and completely misunderstands the importance of being likeable and fun to be around.
 

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This seems to be a growing trend. You'd offer to meet for drinks and they would decline but say that they are open to meeting for dinner instead. I promptly un-match these dinner wh0res but can't help wondering what's behind this seemingly new trend? It certainly wasn't like that even a couple of years ago. Is it because of social media and female "influencers" telling women to "know their worth" and demand free dinners? Has anyone else noticed this?
I wonder if their issue with going out for drinks is that "drinks = sex" in their minds. It used to be saying in the pickup community, "dinner = sleep, drinks = sex". So maybe they're thinking you're just out for one thing (maybe you are). Now if they are similarly unhappy with a coffee date, maybe they're trying to get a free dinner. Coffee dates should be good for everybody, because it's a small time investment, and if you don't like each other, you can eject.
 

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I wonder if their issue with going out for drinks is that "drinks = sex" in their minds. It used to be saying in the pickup community, "dinner = sleep, drinks = sex". So maybe they're thinking you're just out for one thing (maybe you are). Now if they are similarly unhappy with a coffee date, maybe they're trying to get a free dinner. Coffee dates should be good for everybody, because it's a small time investment, and if you don't like each other, you can eject.
I think one of the big things driving dinner dates again is these pseudo-female dating coaches on social media telling women that coffee dates are low effort and cheap. I think coffee dates are great in the sense of saving money and to see if you want to see a person again. I'm not agaisnt them and have done a couple coffee dates myself this year alone. I Personally don't have a problem with how a man spends his money on a first date(yes, including dinner dates) but if a woman tries to dictate what we do, it's a no-no for me. The only women who have done that are similar to OP's experience, turned out they were GDs. But in my experience, luckily, it's constrained.

I think OP probably has a profile that may attract these types, like I said before, when I "toned" down my profile, these types of women disappeared instantly, but it was interesting to see what a difference a picture of a nice car and a couple of travel pics can make. I do think your profile gives women a glimpse of how they might categorize you. So I would rather be categorized as a "Fun guy" even if it's just for the night than "rich provider boyfriend". I may lose out on a lot of women, but I rather lose out on women trying to use me than women who want to have fun so it works for me
 
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A girl that demands any kind of investment or commitment upfront in my opinion signals two things.

1)She has been pumped and dumped so many times that now she needs to "know her worth"/revenge or simply lead the interaction.

2)The guy she is dealing with is not what she would consider a top dog otherwise she wouldnt do anything to push him away or think that he is used to pay upfront with women generally.

Personally I do coffee dates in day time, low cost, low commitment and easy to leave if any of the parties is not interested...plus it allows me to gauge their interest level and how they perceive me.

In my experience the less committment in terms of money, time and effort a girl demands, the more she finds me attractive or connected to me at a genuine level.
 

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I may lose out on a lot of women, but I rather lose out on women trying to use me than women who want to have fun so it works for me
I know a few situations where the guy and the girl are using each other.
 

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This reminds me of this chick who met up with me for a few drinks, and like five minutes into the date, she asks what we're gonna be eating. Instant next.
 

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This reminds me of this chick who met up with me for a few drinks, and like five minutes into the date, she asks what we're gonna be eating. Instant next.
Maybe she was hungry? You could have asked if she wanted to go Dutch.
 

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Sounds fine. When I was on the dating websites long ago, several women bought ME dinner.

If a man can’t drop a 100 bucks like nothing, he shouldn’t date.
 

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Did you pay or did you just say "nope"
I remember saying something like, "We'll see." In the end, we grabbed a few more drinks, I took her back to my place, we spent the night together, and never talked again.
 

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This seems to be a growing trend. You'd offer to meet for drinks and they would decline but say that they are open to meeting for dinner instead. I promptly un-match these dinner wh0res but can't help wondering what's behind this seemingly new trend? It certainly wasn't like that even a couple of years ago. Is it because of social media and female "influencers" telling women to "know their worth" and demand free dinners? Has anyone else noticed this?
I saw an increasing trend, especially with 30 and above women, in terms of wanting to see putting effort

that is why i try to avoid that age group as much as possible on dating apps

maybe it is not only dinner dates level, but for sure they demand aggressively effort from your side, to “ prove your worth”

I recently talked with a girl on a dating app and she expected me to go on the other side of the city to pick her up ( big city ) which would take me like 1h, when I told her that it is a big ask she replied that “ my future partner is a provider and a protector “. I replied with “aha”

the sad thing though is that I am sure that are plenty of sad souls that would do these kind of stuff for women :)

but like @Clockwerk50 mentioned, women who come with unreasonable things usually have a lot of self worth issues and trauma

if you have decent self esteem as a woman, you know that going for a drink / coffee/ whatever with a guy means nothing, and it is just a way to see if there is a connection or not, especially when you guys meet on dating apps. Why would you expect a grand gesture from him, when for you it is not really an important thing

all in all, I think the current culture just destroys society as a whole, and instead of being an anchor for people to be functional, it just anchored them to be not functional and pretending that is perfectly normal and natural to not be functional and annoying for the rest of society

though it still makes me laugh hard the thing that girl told me “ my future partner is a provider and a protector” so he should waste 1h to go and pick some chick for the first date haha
 
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Its about value. If a woman has to "demand" dinner or anything else? She hasn't got sufficient value.

Every first date I've ever had has been dinner. Its what men suggested and wanted to do. I've had men I just met randomly at an upscale venue while having a glass of wine on a business trip insist on buying me dinner. Why? I add value to his experience. I am attractive, smart, curious and a great conversationalist. It has nothing to do with sex. Sure, everyone knows men desire sex from women they find attractive. Duh. But men are actually starving for engagement outside the bedroom. A girl who is supportive, curious and interesting on her own beyond her looks adds value.

These dating websites women listen to need to help women understand that she needs to bring something to the table. She needs to be at least height/weight proportionate, preferably fit, care about her appearance & style of dress and she needs to be interested and interesting and pleasant.

Nothing in there is a demand. Nothing.
 
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