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So I saw this 9 at the grocery store giving out samples of cheese. She gave me a big smile. I was in a hurry so figured I would try a hail mary and give her my number before I left. I thought nothing would come from it.

She winds up texting me a few days later. We make some small talk and I ask her out. Her response:

"What is your intention with this date?"

I'm like, um, to hang out and get to know each other better.

Then she's like "Oh, I have a boyfriend".

Welp.

Why bother even texting me if she has a boyfriend?
 

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This will quickly drive all women away from you.

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So I saw this 9 at the grocery store giving out samples of cheese. She gave me a big smile. I was in a hurry so figured I would try a hail mary and give her my number before I left. I thought nothing would come from it.
You had the correct expectation. It was a low probability play.

There's a great thread about this type of interaction. It was the first thread I ever started as a SoSuave forum member.


Approaching women while they are working is usually a waste of time.

She winds up texting me a few days later. We make some small talk and I ask her out. Her response:

"What is your intention with this date?"
This is a big limitation of communication forms that are not in-person. I think text messaging is even worse than phone or video calls for this. 25 years ago, this would have been a phone call, not a text message.

I'm like, um, to hang out and get to know each other better.

Then she's like "Oh, I have a boyfriend".

Welp.

Why bother even texting me if she has a boyfriend?
No one can ever know for sure with this. Some of this depends on the small talk before the ask out. You had the option to use a boyfriend destroyer line in this case. She gave you an opening to do that. However, doing that over text message is not something I'd recommend. Doing boyfriend destroyers is better in person.

If you were in such a hurry, why not ask her out on a date immediately in person? That way, you save time and don't have bullcrap over the phone.

Below is an interaction where I asked out a woman at her place of employment. It was a fitness instructor in a poorly attended fitness class. Her greatest asset in this interaction was her significantly younger age.


This interaction lacked bullcrap. I didn't want to be her platonic male friend. I don't know why that woman made that offer, but I rejected it because I know my worth.
 

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Good points. What are some good boyfriend destroyer lines you recommend?
 

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Good points. What are some good boyfriend destroyer lines you recommend?
There are none. If a woman says she is taken... just move on. For a couple of reason... you really don't know if she really has a BF or not. Could be she's just saying that to brush you off.

Forget what she says... pay attention to what she does. You tried to make a date, and she didn't go along. That is what she did... so do both of you a favor and forget about her.

Now if you had asked for her number and not given her yours, then she would have known exactly what you wanted, and she would have pushed back then. The only advice I have for you is to make clear from the start what you want, not sure exactly how your initial meeting went, but she clearly had no idea what you were after. She's selling cheese... maybe she thought you were a cheese wholesaler... who knows but once you clarified what you wanted... then you got the push back.

Anyway... keep going, you'll find one... you have to get through the 'nos' before you to a yes. But your ego in a box and not get butt hurt when a chick isn't interested... forget about rejection and just move on.
 

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The only advice I have for you is to make clear from the start what you want, not sure exactly how your initial meeting went, but she clearly had no idea what you were after. She's selling cheese... maybe she thought you were a cheese wholesaler... who knows but once you clarified what you wanted... then you got the push back.
I think @Apone didn't make his intentions clear in the moment. This is a woman at work and in business mode. She didn't know this guy wanted some sort of date with her. I think she thought he wanted something to do with her related to her work. It can be difficult to get women out of work mode when hitting on them while she's working a job or hitting on her at a business networking event. I don't recommend hunting for mating options in either of those places.

It was a subpar in-person approach which led to the problems after the fact. I think text messaging made it worse, though this would have been uncomfortable in a voice call after the fact too. There's very little voice calling anymore in early stages of mating interactions anymore.

What are some good boyfriend destroyer lines you recommend?
Below is one of the best articles on the subject of boyfriend destroyer lines.


The success of boyfriend destroyer lines is related to your Early Frame Announcement (EFA). With a female with a boyfriend, if you try to position yourself as a shorter term lover, you might be able to use a boyfriend destroyer to get yourself some shorter term sex while the woman keeps the boyfriend.

It's a more difficult play to use a boyfriend destroyer when you are trying to position yourself as boyfriend material.

I didn't learn about the boyfriend destroyer tactic until later in my seduction journey. I have gotten IHAB'ed much less since I learned about it. I have not gotten IHAB'ed much at all after 2010 after getting IHAB'ed in the 2000s a bunch. I believe that I haven't been getting the IHAB because women can sense my game is sophisticated and I will push back on the IHAB. I actually thought the IHAB was dead.

Every time that you get an IHAB, you must push back with a "boyfriend destroyer line". The IHAB line is an earlier version of Last Minute Resistance. Even if the boyfriend destroyer line doesn't work, you're still building your own game and showing that you are not a docile beta male. That's why I encourage to push back hard on IHAB. It probably won't work but there is a small chance that it will. I agree with you that the best way to get a woman with a boyfriend is her thinking you are the more attractive option.

The infield video taken below in April-May 2021 shows that the IHAB is still alive
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I counted him getting IHAB'ed 3 times in that video. He had stated earlier in the video that he was a daygame beginner.

I've only used a destroyer line no more than 2 times and it didn't work.

I've never seen it work in the field but my own sample size is far too small.

I still recommend its use and I will use it if I get the objection. The problem is that I rarely ever get that objection.

If a woman says she is taken... just move on. For a couple of reason... you really don't know if she really has a BF or not. Could be she's just saying that to brush you off.

Forget what she says... pay attention to what she does. You tried to make a date, and she didn't go along. That is what she did... so do both of you a favor and forget about her.
Getting the 'IHAB' line is usually a sign of weak game. The daygame beginnner in the video above from 2021 was getting it because his daygame was not on point.

I believe that men won't actually get IHAB'ed if their game is strong enough.

We have a situation here where a guy is trying to sell himself as a potential boyfriend on a date over text message. That's a difficult idea to sell to a woman when approaching her as a stranger in person, let alone over text message subsequent to a random in person encounter.
 

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Maybe she wanted to sell him some more cheese!
She was hired to sell cheese by some cheese brand that had a presence in that specific grocery store.

Plenty of brands hire attractive women to create brand awareness at various in-person events.
 

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So the right approach was:
"What is your intention with this date?"
"I intend to hear more about this marvelous cheese".
 

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"What is your intention with this date?"

I'm like, um, to hang out and get to know each other better.

Then she's like "Oh, I have a boyfriend".
inevitable result of you not replying with the words to the effect of: "My intention is to coat your bare body in honey, then give you a tongue bath, too steamy for even the pages of The Kama Sutra"

Better luck next time
 

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This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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inevitable result of you not replying with the words to the effect of: "My intention is to coat your bare body in honey, then give you a tongue bath, too steamy for even the pages of The Kama Sutra"

Better luck next time
She sounded like she was down for a hot sex session but OP instead wanted to play it safe...

OP, she gave you an opportunity to confirm that you being bold wasn't fools gold, but instead you confirmed you were pyrite.
 

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OP - you actually bought the BF line? I would have said “perfect, let’s make reservations for three!” Play along with it. You’re playing with house money like you said so who cares.

Also, @zekko had some awesome C&F responses you could have used. This chick threw you one curveball and you just folded. Not saying you get anywhere by pushing back a bit (in a charming way mind you), but why not give it a better shot? To think this woman didn’t understand you wanted a date/sex by asking for a number exchange is incredibly naive. She knew.
 

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OK OK OK. Good feedback. I didn't make my intentions clear when I approached and was pretty indirect, but figured I made them clear when I asked her out.

So, be more bold and playful next time and don't fold if she drops a BF line. Got it. I'm out of practice!
 

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So I saw this 9 at the grocery store giving out samples of cheese. She gave me a big smile. I was in a hurry so figured I would try a hail mary and give her my number before I left. I thought nothing would come from it.

She winds up texting me a few days later. We make some small talk and I ask her out. Her response:

"What is your intention with this date?"

I'm like, um, to hang out and get to know each other better.

Then she's like "Oh, I have a boyfriend".
Highly unlikely there is any boyfriend chicks with actual boyfriends aren't really going to be messaging randoms who drop their numbers unless she was looking to cheat with a hookup

Eitherway it sounded like a reaction test
 

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That's very interesting. Could be that she was hoping you would wine and dine her like a good little beta bucks beta male. And when you said something else than that, she lost interest.
 

If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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So I saw this 9 at the grocery store giving out samples of cheese. She gave me a big smile. I was in a hurry so figured I would try a hail mary and give her my number before I left. I thought nothing would come from it.

She winds up texting me a few days later. We make some small talk and I ask her out. Her response:

"What is your intention with this date?"

I'm like, um, to hang out and get to know each other better.

Then she's like "Oh, I have a boyfriend".

Welp.

Why bother even texting me if she has a boyfriend?
What did you say to get her number? What did you say during small talk?
 

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Could be that she was hoping you would wine and dine her like a good little beta bucks beta male.
It is doubtful that is the case. A "9" doesn't need to interact with a beta male. She doesn't need free meals.

There's a good chance that given her level of attractiveness, she did have a boyfriend.

Blaine Anderson (a fish trying to teach men to catch fish) made a valid point on one of her YouTube Shorts about this. There are times when a man is doing everything correct and he will still fail on approaches.


Blaine Anderson's example was an example of why non-bar approaching (typically done during daylight/early evening hours) is horribly inefficient though. The majority of women between ages 18-49 aren't seeking new penis at the moment they are approached in a non-bar setting. That is a major disincentive for doing non-bar approaching.

@Apone didn't make a good approach either.

What did you say to get her number?
He never got her number in person. He handed off his number and left.

I don't bother to collect a phone number without making date plans in person. I don't have a goal to collect phone contacts. I'm looking for social outings that will lead to me getting laid.
 

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It is doubtful that is the case. A "9" doesn't need to interact with a beta male. She doesn't need free meals.

There's a good chance that given her level of attractiveness, she did have a boyfriend.

Blaine Anderson (a fish trying to teach men to catch fish) made a valid point on one of her YouTube Shorts about this. There are times when a man is doing everything correct and he will still fail on approaches.


Blaine Anderson's example was an example of why non-bar approaching (typically done during daylight/early evening hours) is horribly inefficient though. The majority of women between ages 18-49 aren't seeking new penis at the moment they are approached in a non-bar setting. That is a major disincentive for doing non-bar approaching.

@Apone didn't make a good approach either.



He never got her number in person. He handed off his number and left.

I don't bother to collect a phone number without making date plans in person. I don't have a goal to collect phone contacts. I'm looking for social outings that will lead to me getting laid.
My new topic will address this.
 

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So I saw this 9 at the grocery store giving out samples of cheese. She gave me a big smile. I was in a hurry so figured I would try a hail mary and give her my number before I left. I thought nothing would come from it.

She winds up texting me a few days later. We make some small talk and I ask her out. Her response:

"What is your intention with this date?"

I'm like, um, to hang out and get to know each other better.

Then she's like "Oh, I have a boyfriend".

Welp.

Why bother even texting me if she has a boyfriend?
OP,

Love the IDGAF / Hail Mary approach. Kudos.

I've had girls do this and if I thought they were hot, I'd reply with something like "Oh, no worries. That's ok. I'm kind of burned out on dating right now anyway. But I'm always looking for cool people to hang out with. Maybe we could meet up at x for happy hour and have some laughs. You're allowed to have friends, right?"

This actually worked pretty well. On the date, I made sure I brought my charismatic A-game and kept things fun, active, humorous, and light and usually ended up having s*x with them. Then, I'd see how things would go in the days after when texting them. Some I saw again and some I didn't.

Never know unless you actually try.
 

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Why bother even texting me if she has a boyfriend?
Because she isn't that into her boyfriend and she likes the free attention you could provide. Women that are unhappy with their current arrangement are always looking to monkey branch to another and this is one way they do it.

I had this happen at a concert awhile back. An attractive girl complimented me on my shirt, we talked, I got her number. I texted her several times and she showed solid interest. After about two weeks she asked me what I was looking for and then told me she was married. I bailed at the point.

Sure these deals can turn into something more, but it takes some patience and you have to play along.
 
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If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.

Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.

This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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