Men, Where Have You Gone? Please Come Back.

[Bible_Belt]

average testosterone levels for 22 year old males barely above 400 now, the equivalent of what an average 70 year old man had in the 1960s, sadly this will only continue getting worse, not better until they address the actual problem and underlying cause.

Garbage diet and sedentary lifestyle are the first two causes that come to mind. Beyond that, I wonder if the way we raise children in modern times also plays a part. Everyone's a winner. Competition is evil. All conflict is bad. These ideas are anti-testosterone.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Garbage diet and sedentary lifestyle are the first two causes that come to mind. Beyond that, I wonder if the way we raise children in modern times also plays a part. Everyone's a winner. Competition is evil. All conflict is bad. These ideas are anti-testosterone.

Yeah. See replies on X I posted. Literally no reason for men walking away has anything to do with T values.

A quarter of households are fatherless. Much of the rest are mini matriarchies.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Garbage diet and sedentary lifestyle are the first two causes that come to mind. Beyond that, I wonder if the way we raise children in modern times also plays a part. Everyone's a winner. Competition is evil. All conflict is bad. These ideas are anti-testosterone.

It partly has to do with that but also environmental factors like pesticides and plastics all over the place that are highly estrogenic and have very strong estrogen binding molecules called xenoesteogens which bind far stronger than normal estrogen molecules. So not only are these all over in the environment, food and water supply, it also means males are getting these from the moment of conception thru the mother even while in the womb, and they are harder to get rid of.

Essentially, the male endocrine system is quite literally under attack from the second is is created until we die with no respite.

 

[BPH]

I saw this in men's response to the ridiculousness of the 100 men vs 1 gorilla debate.

I think it's especially appropriate for this woman's level of delusion:

 

[Redwood]

Where are people getting the notion that 54 year old women are invisible.


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What's Lisa's backstory? Is it a legit response or is she just hopping on a trend?

 

[BaronOfHair]

This lady is 54 and has had decades of experiences. Now post prime she is wondering why she‘s not getting approached like she did in her 20’s

She's likely still getting approached, by men older than her, who are in the market for a pleasant companion to spend their twilight years with. Fellas who aren't terribly focused on setting the sheets on fire or jet setting anymore, so much as they are having someone to hit Spagos with a few nights a week, plus lay around on the couch with Saturdays and Sundays, watching Douglas Sirk movies while reminiscing about their glory days on Wall Street

Like not just many women, but many Americans today more generally, this gal craves a Mercedes, when she's got only pennies to her name. There's no convincing folks such as these that such dreams are more insane than a 40something mall cop yearning for recruitment into SEAL Team 6

 

[Manure Spherian]

What's Lisa's backstory? Is it a legit response or is she just hopping on a trend?

I don’t know. She doesn’t provide that on her X profile.

 

[Redwood]

I don’t know. She doesn’t provide that on her X profile.

Well in this case I would take her response with a grain of salt until otherwise. She could be purposely patronizing.

 

[Manure Spherian]

She's likely still getting approached,

Men, particularly men in the RP and seduction spaces, have a hard time admitting they are they are sexually speaking.

Well in this case I would take her response with a grain of salt until otherwise. She could be purposely patronizing.

That’s correct. But it doesn’t make her statements unimportant or false. She might be a pick-me or have sons she’s concerned about (I have a son myself, and a daughter).

More lucid responses on X.

 

[Redwood]

Men, particularly men in the RP and seduction spaces, have a hard time admitting they are they are sexually speaking.

That’s correct. But it doesn’t make her statements unimportant or false. She might be a pick-me or have sons she’s concerned about (I have a son myself, and a daughter).

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I get your point. I'm all about keeping your head on a swivel with those type of responses nowadays.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I stopped reading after a few paragraphs. These word salads these women write are always veiled insults towards men. Here, she acts like men are some rudimentary automatons that just want some fast and loose stimulation and if we can’t get it we check out. Hence, women who appreciate all the subtleties of life at a higher plane of existence continue to be willing to go out even alone if we men won’t give them the dates they crave.

Give me a break. We here know way better. It is women who have systemically been conditioned to behave in ways that go against their own nature by our pathetic society and (some) men are (finally) responding to it. I will show attention to a woman who is earning it. It has zero to do with me pouting because of some notion of instant gratification not being given to me like author writes.

Where they even come up with this drivel is beyond me.

It's the failing New York Times, what did you expect? Honest self-reflection and accountability?

 

[BaronOfHair]

Men, particularly men in the RP and seduction spaces, have a hard time admitting they are they are sexually speaking.

That’s correct. But it doesn’t make her statements unimportant or false. She might be a pick-me or have sons she’s concerned about (I have a son myself, and a daughter).

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To your first point:

Card-carrying RPers begin bursting blood vessels, when confronted with the fact that life doesn't operate in dichotomies, be they Red Pills vs Blue Pills or Woke Vs Unwoke

To your second point: Yeah, Paul Elam(a failed drug counselor unknown to the world until '14 or so, when playing Dennis Leary to Tom Leykis*'s Bill Hicks

elevated him out of anonymity and into 17 minutes of fame), a married man of 20 years who's made a small fortune preaching the virtues of MGTOW on YouTube and collecting a tithing for his efforts, has "retreated from dead end life on the gynocentric plantation"

Credit where it's due: A walking bill board for white trash fu-cktardery like this has succeeded in being more absurd than I.X. Kendy, bemoaning the hardships of White Supremacy, while in the midst of being a multi-millonaire author and pontif of CRT to America's glitterati



*Like Leary, who ripped off far more people than Hicks(

), Elam's plagiarism is exceptionally diverse: Dude's cut and pasted everyone from Milo Yiannopoulous, to Rollo Tomassi, to Ross Jefferies, to sh-t published on pre-Woke Askmen and The Art Of Manliness

 

[BaronOfHair]

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/20/style/modern-love-men-where-have-you-gone-please-come-back.html

Men, Where Have You Gone? Please Come Back. - The New York Times | Ghostarchive

ghostarchive.org

Quote the article:
"I spent over a decade behind the curtain of digital desire. As the custodian of records for Playboy and its affiliated hardcore properties, including sites like Spice TV, I was responsible for some of the most infringed-upon adult content in the world. I worked closely with copyright attorneys and marketing teams to understand exactly what it took to get a man to pay for content he could easily find for free.

We knew what worked. We knew how to frame a face, a gesture, a moment of implication — just enough to ignite fantasy and open a wallet. I came to understand, in exact terms, what cues tempt the average 18-to-36-year-old cis heterosexual man. What drew him in. What kept him coming back. It wasn’t intimacy. It wasn’t mutuality. It was access to simulation — clean, fast and frictionless"

And now, thanks to XVideo, Pornhub and the like, men have access to that crud(Yes, I enjoy it myself sometimes)24/7, free of monetary charge. Not surprisingly, most choose THAT over the sometimes messy and uncomfortable work that is dealing with other humans, in all of THEIR nuances and complexity. This ain't rocket science, much as Feminists and MRAs alike try to make it appear as such

 

[SW15]

Better Bachelor on YouTube did a reaction to the article we are discussing. Better Bachelor has 475K subscribers, which is more than double Rollo Tomassi's 223K YouTube subscribers. Better Bachelor's ideology is closer to MGTOW than red pill.

 

[SW15]

54 year old lady wonders where all the men have gone.

This lady is 54 and has had decades of experiences. Now post prime she is wondering why she‘s not getting approached like she did in her 20’s.

At 54, she's mentioned that she's been married and gotten divorced. She's been a mother. We know that she had at least 1 kid. It is unknown how many kids she has and how old they are now. That would affect some of her recent experiences dating as a single mom. I think her kids now are likely 18+.

She was likely the one who filed for divorce in the past. She was the one who likely kicked a good man to the curb.

There are older blue pill simps who will have some interest in a 54 year old woman with kids who are likely 18+. She hasn't met them despite her presence on Raya (mentioned in article) and likely some other dating apps.

She has a multitude of options on the apps despite being 54, divorced, and having had kids.

She is no prize in the mating environment yet she's complaining about not being treated like she's 24 and childless.

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The writer starts the article in noticing that there are fewer heterosexual couples at dining establishments that would likely cater to dating heterosexual couples. This is an observation that might be applicable to all age groups. She is seeing more heterosexual female friends getting together at these establishments. Since these type of establishments are generally pricy, they would likely be 30+ careerist women getting together at these places or divorced 30+ women who may not be careerist but are living off of an ex-husband's alimony.

I think that angle needs to be explored more.

I think there's an argument that mid-tier men are checking out of dating. Elite tier younger men (20s/30s) are smashing and often dashing. They are getting the sex without going to more upscale romantic restaurants. Younger, childless women (20s/30s) are ignoring men who would take them on dates to upscale restaurants to chase mainly short term sex with elite tier men. The writer's observation may have merit when examined through this lens.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Better Bachelor has 475K subscribers, which is more than double Rollo Tomassi's 223K YouTube subscriber

All that really means is that Rollo(who seems like a decent guy, who's intentions are righteous)'s 3 hour, jargon-heavy ruminations are a bit much for most viewers. So much so, that BB spending 40 minutes listing "signs" that The Apocalypse is upon us seems fu-king appealing, by comparison

Same way sitting through a Micheal Moore movie is generally more digestible than enduring an afternoon with Noam Chomsky, even if the latter is exponentially more well-thought out

 

[Solomon]

If women think it's bad now, give it 5-10 years when AGI really kicks in, I don't think a lot of you guys realize how much AI is already displacing jobs. What happens if you have a 20% unemployment rate? Gas $8-$10 a gallon? Inflation out the a$$? all this hufflepuff of entitlement is going to get course correct fellas, mark my words you'll see it in your lifetime A reset is coming like I said 2035 the latest, 2030 the earliest.

 

[SW15]

I don't think a lot of you guys realize how much AI is already displacing jobs. What happens if you have a 20% unemployment rate?

White collar has been purging employees since 2023. Unemployment rates in the United States are already far higher than what's being reported. The labor market is weaker than most think that it is.

Nearly a quarter of Americans are ‘functionally unemployed’ | Fortune

The metric offers a broader snapshot of the labor market than the standard unemployment rate, which overlooks certain individuals.

fortune.com

The health of the economy/labor market is related to male SMV as men's sexual worthiness is judged in part of their income/net worth.

Men who are laid off are often dumped by their girlfriends or wives. Some of the male layoffs of the last 2 years have been sexually invisible men. They were guys on the fringes of the mating environment. They barely received attention while employed. I'm sure there have been many tech workers who fit that description.

Gas $8-$10 a gallon? Inflation out the a$$? all this hufflepuff of entitlement is going to get course correct fellas, mark my words you'll see it in your lifetime A reset is coming like I said 2035 the latest, 2030 the earliest.

Inflation is already obvious. It's obvious at grocery stores, fast food restaurants, and sit down restaurants. Gas isn't at the levels you describe yet.

I don't see women changing mating behaviors yet due to all the white collar layoffs.

 

[BaronOfHair]

I don't think a lot of you guys realize how much AI is already displacing jobs

Similar to all those ISIS attacks on US soil, that everyone from FOX to MSNBC assured us were impending, back in the early to mid-10s... Such events are tough to notice, when they don't happen all that often

 

[BaronOfHair]

The labor market is weaker than most think that it is.

Quote that article: "The harsh reality is that far too many Americans are still struggling to make ends meet..."

As opposed to all those times during which earning a solid-lavish living was easier than taking your hard partying, noisy ass neighbor's arm with a chainsaw