Dudes, gals, and entitlement

[Barrister]

Just in THIS thread?

I’m trying to be diplomatic.

 

[SW15]

Some of my outfits, on the other hand, could easily pass for an outfit a 30-something or 40-something suburban dad in a southern state would wear.

If you're not a suburban dad, you don't want to dress like a suburban dad.

First, a man’s “peak” is never at 21-23. If it is, it just means he’s wasted his best years, which clearly is what you’re doing with your nonstop parade of excuses in thread after thread. You can absolutely slay women from 30-50 if you stay in good shape and have built your empire (social proof, $$, connections, etc.). You never have that at 21-23 unless you’re some trust fund baby. Which you aren’t.

Total SMV peak is never 21-23. While looks are #1, the money, status, and personality factors are relevant enough to prevent that from being peak.

I tend to think of male peak as being around 25-30 where a man has his youthful good looks and is on the way to improving money and status by then. He's showing potential. However, even with peak at 25-30, more younger men get access to the best looking women while they are 18-24 and on campus for undergrad/grad school.

I disagree with Rollo Tomassi's assertion that peak SMV is late 30s. Too many men in their 30s/early 40s are settling for whatever mediocre at best woman they can get who is near their own age. I agree that men can slay in their 30s/40s under the right conditions but those conditions don't tend to materialize that often.

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[Barrister]

When I said 21-23 is a dude's prime, I was talking solely based on looks. I'm aware there are other factors that play into a man's overall SMV (which some men are able to capitalize on at 30+ years old)...but there's no denying a 30+ year old man is past his physical peak. Hell, on his last post, @SW15 gave the example where he said a 37 year old man, even with good looks, needs money to attract a 22 year old, as the 22 year old could easily get an attractive guy her own age (so a significantly older man needs something more than looks to bring to the table)

The list that was given might sound like a rich life to many. Not to me. In fact, some of it sounds miserable.

I get your general point about how we should do stuff that gives us a rich life. I just disagree on what constitutes a rich life. For example, while I have no desire to work out, I travel a lot. Travel is something I find enriching. I also like to go to museums. I find museums enriching.

As for the wardrobe thing, I suppose it's somewhat of an exaggeration for me to say I dress like a grandpa. The outfit picture I shared on a thread once totally (in retrospect) looked like a 70 year old grandpa outfit, I admit. Some of my outfits, on the other hand, could easily pass for an outfit a 30-something or 40-something suburban dad in a southern state would wear.

Are you satisfied with your life? You don’t seem to be. Despite these statements about how wonderful museum hopping is for you.

If you’re happy dressing like a “40 year old suburban dad” (whatever that means, I’m a 39 year old dad and live in a suburb and dress very nice still), going to museums, and not getting any pvssy then I agree - who cares whether you get women or not? But you don’t sound like you’re happy. Happy people don’t constantly lament about things like you do. In this case the lack of hot women (or maybe any women) in your life.

If it is the latter, what you’re doing isn’t working clearly. Hence people trying to give you advice. I didn’t look at the list. But getting in good shape and updating your wardrobe are absolutely a necessity. Independent of women I may add.

 

[Barrister]

If you're not a suburban dad, you don't want to dress like a suburban dad.



Total SMV peak is never 21-23. While looks are #1, the money, status, and personality factors are relevant enough to prevent that from being peak.

I tend to think of male peak as being around 25-30 where a man has his youthful good looks and is on the way to improving money and status by then. He's showing potential. However, even with peak at 25-30, more younger men get access to the best looking women while they are 18-24 and on campus for undergrad/grad school.

I disagree with Rollo Tomassi's assertion that peak SMV is late 30s. Too many men in their 30s/early 40s are settling for whatever mediocre at best woman they can get who is near their own age. I agree that men can slay in their 30s/40s under the right conditions but those conditions don't tend to materialize that often.

Final Exam – Navigating the SMP

You know, there’s really no substitute for graphs, and charts, and data plot maps. Human beings, being essentially a visually oriented species, see a graphic heads-up display, a God’s e…

therationalmale.com

I agree with Rollo. Mostly because my own life has demonstrated it to a “T.” I acknowledge that is purely anecdotal, but it has followed that pattern. My SMV and ability to pull women is higher right now than it has ever been. Maybe not if I’m strictly going for 21 year olds. But that also isn’t generally my target audience.

EDIT: I’d also add that I’d say some other older posters here like Glassguy and Duke would probably agree with that.

 

[SW15]

I agree with Rollo. Mostly because my own life has demonstrated it to a “T.” I acknowledge that is purely anecdotal, but it has followed that pattern. My SMV and ability to pull women is higher right now than it has ever been. Maybe not if I’m strictly going for 21 year olds. But that also isn’t generally my target audience.

EDIT: I’d also add that I’d say some other older posters here like Glassguy and Duke would probably agree with that.

It can happen. I didn't see a noticeable bump between 35-39. The pandemic hit right in the middle of this part of my life. That impacted my 35-39 years. Even in my early 40s, I should be near SMV peak but I'm not seeing a clamoring for my penis among 20 something women.

I think I've had an achievement avoiding single moms into my early 40s.

I've not noticed a drop off either, so that's the positive side.

Keeping your looks up has been a big help for you. Male lawyer status is good as well. While aging female lawyers (30s/early 40s) are not well regarded in terms of SMV, being a male lawyer is an SMV boost.

 

[BeExcellent]

So I take that massive wall of text as a no.

As in, "No BPH, I cannot find 3 hours per week to dramatically improve my dating life, even though most of this forum agrees this would serve me well, including @BeExcellent who is among my target audience."

Imagine if I went back in time to September 2010 and handed you $1,000 and told you to invest it all in Bitcoin, and you'll be rich...and you didn't do it because you were too lazy to figure out how to buy it.

That's essentially what you're doing here, with your health, fitness, and love life, rather than money.

EDIT: Matter of fact, since you'd rather be right than happy, why don't you prove me wrong?

Work out regularly for 1 month, even if only to come back here and tell me it didn't work for you.

Don't feel bad. He hasn't done my homewotk assignment either. A homework assignment geared very specifically to find his target demographic in his metro of residence. I'm still waiting for the field report, but holding my breath is ill advised.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Don't feel bad. He hasn't done my homewotk assignment either. A homework assignment geared very specifically to find his target demographic in his metro of residence. I'm still waiting for the field report, but holding my breath is ill advised.

Should've directed him to the Sun City Bingo, that would've been more his speed.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Your thoughts?

Like the words "narcissist", "sociopath", "racist", etc etc, "entitled" has become yet another hot button term we hurl at anyone who's words or actions we find objectionable in some way

 

[BaronOfHair]

The social skills issue might have been an issue 25-30+ years ago, but women had fewer "icks" back then regarding social skills.

No, they didn't... Re-watch Revenge Of The Nerds

 

[GoodMan32]

If you're not a suburban dad, you don't want to dress like a suburban dad.



Total SMV peak is never 21-23. While looks are #1, the money, status, and personality factors are relevant enough to prevent that from being peak.

I tend to think of male peak as being around 25-30 where a man has his youthful good looks and is on the way to improving money and status by then. He's showing potential. However, even with peak at 25-30, more younger men get access to the best looking women while they are 18-24 and on campus for undergrad/grad school.

I disagree with Rollo Tomassi's assertion that peak SMV is late 30s. Too many men in their 30s/early 40s are settling for whatever mediocre at best woman they can get who is near their own age. I agree that men can slay in their 30s/40s under the right conditions but those conditions don't tend to materialize that often.

Final Exam – Navigating the SMP

You know, there’s really no substitute for graphs, and charts, and data plot maps. Human beings, being essentially a visually oriented species, see a graphic heads-up display, a God’s e…

therationalmale.com

I'm aware dressing like a 30-something or 40-something suburban dad isn't ideal. All I'm saying is dressing like a suburban dad around the same age as me isn't as much of a cooch-repellent as dressing like a 70 year old grandpa (so, compared to some of my outfits, 30-49 year old suburban dad is a step up)

These type of outfits are what I'm most comfortable in. I can't help my preferences.

The funny thing is I used to go too far in the opposite direction. Up until I was 25 or so, I dressed like I was 16.

In other words, at no point in time did I ever dress like a 20-something.

Are you satisfied with your life? You don’t seem to be. Despite these statements about how wonderful museum hopping is for you.

If you’re happy dressing like a “40 year old suburban dad” (whatever that means, I’m a 39 year old dad and live in a suburb and dress very nice still), going to museums, and not getting any pvssy then I agree - who cares whether you get women or not? But you don’t sound like you’re happy. Happy people don’t constantly lament about things like you do. In this case the lack of hot women (or maybe any women) in your life.

If it is the latter, what you’re doing isn’t working clearly. Hence people trying to give you advice. I didn’t look at the list. But getting in good shape and updating your wardrobe are absolutely a necessity. Independent of women I may add.

I'm not fully content with life, no. I'd like to get free cooch more often (been 4 years). All I'm saying is doing stuff like traveling and visiting museums adds enrichment to a life which would otherwise be even worse.

To give you an idea of what I mean when I say some of my outfits look like something a 30-something or 40-something suburban dad in a southern state would wear, a common outfit for me is a polo (often in pastel colors) tucked into jeans or slacks (I say "southern state" in particular because pastel colors are popular with middle class/upper middle class suburban White men in southern states)

It can happen. I didn't see a noticeable bump between 35-39. The pandemic hit right in the middle of this part of my life. That impacted my 35-39 years. Even in my early 40s, I should be near SMV peak but I'm not seeing a clamoring for my penis among 20 something women.

I think I've had an achievement avoiding single moms into my early 40s.

I've not noticed a drop off either, so that's the positive side.

Keeping your looks up has been a big help for you. Male lawyer status is good as well. While aging female lawyers (30s/early 40s) are not well regarded in terms of SMV, being a male lawyer is an SMV boost.

Interesting you've managed to avoid single moms all these years.

In that case, I guess the game was over for me as soon as it started. A mom in a phony marriage (which was about to end) who already had a kid from husband 1 (and was pregnant with a baby from husband 2, her then-current husband) took my v-card back when I was in college.

Don't feel bad. He hasn't done my homewotk assignment either. A homework assignment geared very specifically to find his target demographic in his metro of residence. I'm still waiting for the field report, but holding my breath is ill advised.

Ok, I never recall you saying older cooch in particular frequents the venues you told me to check out. Not saying I would have done the assignment had you included that tidbit...but I would have at least been more likely to.

I had mentioned (at the time you suggested the assignment), however, that I dined at a bar in my hotel on a trip to another state, yet no one said a word to me at the bar. In other words, I carried out a variation of your assignment (and shared the field report)

Like the words "narcissist", "sociopath", "racist", etc etc, "entitled" has become yet another hot button term we hurl at anyone who's words or actions we find objectionable in some way

Finally we're in agreement to some degree.

 

[CheekyMonkey101]

You are a 4 looks wise. There’s a reason Wheat Waffles, who has judged the looks of thousands of men, gave you a 4. Wheat uses the same strict standards that women apply when swiping on dating apps or choosing men at bars.

Come on, bro. Wheat Waffles' ratings are irrelevant.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Finally we're in agreement to some degree.

We've been in agreement(to a degree anyway)that dating and mating ain't for the thin-skinned, and that our own psych difficulties often complicate things still further

Ya know what though, hoss? This is true of damned near everything in life. Careers in well-paying fields aren't for the thin-skinned either, ESPECIALLY if your ambition is to progress beyond middle management + Branch out into entrepreneurship eventually, and our psych troubles frequently complicate things further

We have the choice to start addressing those difficulties, so that we can get our needs and desires met. If you're not able to get the gym just yet, start doing some push ups and sit ups on a regular basis. Revamp your wardrobe. Your self-concept will skyrocket in record time

 

[SW15]

you've managed to avoid single moms all these years.

I am impressed by this as well.

Part of it is the culture. There are more Millennial women staying childless later into life. The media likes to hype this but the majority of women born from 1984-1989 have had their first child by now.

Even with the majority of 1984-1989 born women having had a child by now, I know where to go in my city to find women who are childless. I can even dip into the pool of women born between 1990-1994 too.

If I were to use swipe apps, there's a filter to exclude women with children. I would use that. Because I live in one of the biggest cities in the USA, I would still have enough options that way. I don't want to use swipe apps because of the downsides of them.

a polo (often in pastel colors) tucked into jeans or slacks (I say "southern state" in particular because pastel colors are popular with middle class/upper middle class suburban White men in southern states)

Tucking a polo shirt into jeans or slacks is acceptable at an office building with a more casual dress code but I wouldn't recommend it in leisure time. Tucked in polo shirts don't get women sexually excited.

 

[GoodMan32]

Come on, bro. Wheat Waffles' ratings are irrelevant.

Wheat Waffles purposely underrates you so he can then try to upsell you into paying for his more detailed analysis. It's all a money gimmick for him.

Believe me, I know how to spot a scam artist. When I worked in stores, one of my managers would upsell pointless add-ons to customers just to pad his pocket (we got extra money in our paycheck for certain add-ons)

Autists have a hard time lying. I couldn't bring myself to fleece customers, even if it meant padding my pocket.

I am impressed by this as well.

Part of it is the culture. There are more Millennial women staying childless later into life. The media likes to hype this but the majority of women born from 1984-1989 have had their first child by now.

Even with the majority of 1984-1989 born women having had a child by now, I know where to go in my city to find women who are childless. I can even dip into the pool of women born between 1990-1994 too.

If I were to use swipe apps, there's a filter to exclude women with children. I would use that. Because I live in one of the biggest cities in the USA, I would still have enough options that way. I don't want to use swipe apps because of the downsides of them.



Tucking a polo shirt into jeans or slacks is acceptable at an office building with a more casual dress code but I wouldn't recommend it in leisure time. Tucked in polo shirts don't get women sexually excited.

I'm aware a tucked in polo isn't exactly the most sexually exciting outfit. I can't help that that's what I'm comfortable in. I don't like an untucked shirt (I've really changed a lot since 10 years ago, when my then store manager would constantly have to tell me to tuck my shirt in...and even then, I'd untuck it on days she wasn't there)

Interestingly, on the day a 23 year old hottie I met at a bar invited me somewhere (when I was 30), I was wearing a polo tucked into jeans. I was also wearing a polo tucked into jeans when I got the date with a 37 year old back when I was 32 (and came across as the better option compared to the guy I was wingmaning for, who was wearing an untucked t-shirt and jeans)

 

[The Duke]

Don't feel bad. He hasn't done my homewotk assignment either. A homework assignment geared very specifically to find his target demographic in his metro of residence. I'm still waiting for the field report, but holding my breath is ill advised.

Its why I don't offer any help to him and respond very little. He is just like @corrector. Experts at dreaming up a million excuses why they shouldn't or can't do something. Their miserable existence is where they are most comfortable. Its everyone else, not them that should change.

 

[The Duke]

A man has to do all this to get a date with a non virgin woman in her mid 30s? That’s asking a lot,

If thats how you see it, fine with me. I see it as a requirement for a successful life, not just being successful with women. Mid-tier in anything is not what I aspire to be. I've never thought it was "a lot" to surpass mid-tier status.

 

[BPH]

I wish I could ban this dude's account for a month just so he'd be forced to do something other than spend all day defending his inaction on this forum.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Are you satisfied with your life? You don’t seem to be. Despite these statements about how wonderful museum hopping is for you.

If you’re happy dressing like a “40 year old suburban dad” (whatever that means, I’m a 39 year old dad and live in a suburb and dress very nice still), going to museums, and not getting any pvssy then I agree - who cares whether you get women or not? But you don’t sound like you’re happy. Happy people don’t constantly lament about things like you do. In this case the lack of hot women (or maybe any women) in your life.

If it is the latter, what you’re doing isn’t working clearly. Hence people trying to give you advice. I didn’t look at the list. But getting in good shape and updating your wardrobe are absolutely a necessity. Independent of women I may add.

He doesn't want advice, he just wants people to agree with him so he can feel better about him doing nothing to improve himself.

Maybe OP buys the constant lies he tells himself but many on this board aren't buying it.

 

[SW15]

I'm aware a tucked in polo isn't exactly the most sexually exciting outfit.

That outfit will lead to women immediately perceiving a man as a beta male. Alpha fux, beta bux.

I don't tuck in shirts during my leisure time.

T-shirts give off less of an immediate beta male energy.

Courtney Ryan's male fashion videos are a decent resource. That's how she started her channel, but then evolved more into mating topics to chase clicks/views. She has a number of her fashion videos in a playlist.

There are plenty of other fashion resources too.

 

[Mike32ct]

In general, you would not tuck in a polo shirt unless it was exceptionally long like covering your entire azz or you wanted to be more formal for work.

I like Courtney’s fashion tips too. It’s reasonable stuff, not over the top celebrity fashion.