"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Handsiness and age

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Yes, because you are desperate to hold onto this like a beggar holds onto his last dollar.

Why? Who knows. I'd be working OT to overcome it...you'd rather just give up


@SW15 has said he likes to check the condom throughout the romp (to make sure it hasn't broken/slipped off)

It just so happens I did the condom-checking strategy this past summer with a woman around my age.

Checking the condom took all the joy out of sex for me. If condom-checking is the solution to a pregnancy phobia, count me out.

With a 45+ broad, I love how I can fvck away without worrying about what happens to the condom (if it breaks/slips off, oh well)

If a guy doesn't mind checking the condom constantly, fine, have at it. All I'm saying is it's not for me.
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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@SW15 has said he likes to check the condom throughout the romp (to make sure it hasn't broken/slipped off)

It just so happens I did the condom-checking strategy this past summer with a woman around my age.

Checking the condom took all the joy out of sex for me. If condom-checking is the solution to a pregnancy phobia, count me out.

With a 45+ broad, I love how I can fvck away without worrying about what happens to the condom (if it breaks/slips off, oh well)

If a guy doesn't mind checking the condom constantly, fine, have at it. All I'm saying is it's not for me.
Blah blah blah blah blah
 

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You refuse to address it by refusing to seek some combination of talk therapy and medication from mental health professionals.

One might think that getting 20 something year old prime pussie would be enough of a motivation to take action to fix the problem.
You're talking about a guy who no-showed when a beautiful woman in the first half of her 20s invited me swimming.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Don't overthink this. Older women have plausible deniability via:

- Rank (older = more experienced)
- Desexualization (older = menopausal)
- Social status (probably married or partnered, unlikely to be hitting on you or perceived as such)
- Gender (they get more latitude than older men)

A young hot woman is not going to hardcore kino you unless her interest level is through the roof or her inhibitions are lowered.
 

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I don't get it. If you're that afraid of passing on your DNA and afraid of impregnating someone, why not have a vasectomy? Would solve all your problems.
I have a recent-ish thread about vasectomies (where I mentioned I was thinking of getting one)

After doing some more research on vasectomies, I've opted out of getting a vasectomy. I guess it's going to be a lifetime of older women for me.

As for @BaronOfHair, I'm aware pregnancy is still possible at 45. It's way less likely at that age than it is even at, say, 39, however.

And yeah, I'm aware the risk of birth defects is a lot higher at that age. You know what else is a lot higher at that age? The risk of miscarriage.

When the odds of pregnancy are extremely low to begin with, and the odds of miscarriage (in the event a pregnancy were to occur) are relatively high, I'm willing to take my chances.

Also worth taking into account is the fact 45 is merely my minimum age. My preference extends into a woman's 60s. Once she's above 50 or so, the odds of pregnancy become next-to-impossible.
 

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Don't overthink this. Older women have plausible deniability via:

- Rank (older = more experienced)
- Desexualization (older = menopausal)
- Social status (probably married or partnered, unlikely to be hitting on you or perceived as such)
- Gender (they get more latitude than older men)

A young hot woman is not going to hardcore kino you unless her interest level is through the roof or her inhibitions are lowered.
Yeah, an older woman is more likely to be married.

I mentioned on the forum that a woman in her 60s who works for a different company in my office building was handsy with me last week. She's married. I'm aware it's unlikely she's genuinely looking to get my younger banana. Still, I enjoy her handsiness.

When she was acting handsy last week, it just so happens we were discussing a topic that's come up on this forum before: The idea that getting rejected a lot is the key to getting over a fear of rejection.

She said getting rejected a lot could just as likely backfire (and lead to you hating rejection even more)
 

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And your reasons for opting out are?
In a nutshell (no pun intended), after reading more about the procedure, it simply isn't something I want to put myself through.

One big turnoff is the fact they apparently put permanent clips at the ends of your snipped pipes. Count me out.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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I have a recent-ish thread about vasectomies (where I mentioned I was thinking of getting one)

After doing some more research on vasectomies, I've opted out of getting a vasectomy. I guess it's going to be a lifetime of older women for me.

As for @BaronOfHair, I'm aware pregnancy is still possible at 45. It's way less likely at that age than it is even at, say, 39, however.

And yeah, I'm aware the risk of birth defects is a lot higher at that age. You know what else is a lot higher at that age? The risk of miscarriage.

When the odds of pregnancy are extremely low to begin with, and the odds of miscarriage (in the event a pregnancy were to occur) are relatively high, I'm willing to take my chances.

Also worth taking into account is the fact 45 is merely my minimum age. My preference extends into a woman's 60s. Once she's above 50 or so, the odds of pregnancy become next-to-impossible.
If this(Chasing older women) is a pursuit you just can't help but follow, fine.... Be prepared for the other 98% of the heterosexual male population on this planet to find you incomprehensible though
 

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Weird, because in my research your negative points don't show up.
I also read stuff about anesthesia wearing off in the middle of a vasectomy.

Once again, count me out.

I'd rather go the rest of my time on this earth without ever bagging a fertile hottie again than have anesthesia wear off in the middle of getting my plumbing torn apart.
 

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If this(Chasing older women) is a pursuit you just can't help but follow, fine.... Be prepared for the other 98% of the heterosexual male population on this planet to find you incomprehensible though
So be it.

Being an autist, I find a lot of social norms incomprehensible.
 

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While there are 60 year old women who are still bangable where OP lives (Phx/Scottsdale, AZ, USA), the ones who are "handsy" typically aren't.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I read about a guy getting incarcerated for f*cking an old woman to death. Claimed the sex was consensual, but she had a heart attack. Still up in Folsom for raping and killing a senior citizen.

If you're looking for doom scenarios, you can always find something. And read it wrong.

There are two different types of anaesthesia, namely local anaesthesia, where only your lower body would be affected and you stay conscious, or general anaesthesia. For a procedure like a vasectomy, local anaesthesia + anti-anxiety medication is the most common, but when the surgeon expects the procedure to be complicated (for instance, with patients are over BMI 40) they choose general anaesthesia. In the rare occasions where local anaesthetic is used but the procedure turns out to be more complicated (and thus time consuming), the patient is brought under general anaesthetic.
So your fear of anaesthesia wearing off and resulting in pain is unwarranted.


Of course, your misinformation fuels your anxiety and you expect the worst case scenario, because you want an excuse not to have a vasectomy. Sorry, you'll have to find another excuse, because the procedure is never painful.

Unless you get it done in a third world country with a rusty bajonet, but I assume you'd get snipped in the US.
If your suspicion is right (I'm looking for an excuse to avoid getting a vasectomy), perhaps that's a sign that, on some level, I prefer to continue focusing on older broads.
 

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Scottsdale you say? Say no more, say no more. Wink wink nudge nudge.
We have something here called the sun and as a result there are hot women. Maybe you have to be above water to see it.

Or, you know, actually have visited here.

Lolz Maricopa County is what, three times the size of Holland?

Your territory above sea level may be smaller than my c0ck.
 
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We have something here called the sun and as a result there are hot women. Maybe you have to be above water to see it.

Or, you know, actually have visited here.

Lolz Maricopa County is what, three times the size of Holland?

Your territory above sea level may be smaller than my c0ck.
I think Mr. Amsterdam so your post but he is scared to respond…
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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