US needs to take lessons from Europe regarding drastically lowering homicide rate

[eli77]

Ive always envied canadas gun laws.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Nothing to do with Patriotism, just facts.

Who had to save you when all of Europe surrendered in under 6 weeks in WW II? Some countries within 4 days

Was reminded of this thread and one other https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...the-us-it-appears.281977/page-14#post-3119877 , after stumbling across

 

[CornbreadFed]

The US isn't the only country with minorities. The key issue here is the toxic Main Character syndrome individualistic culture the US has. Yes, it worked in the settler days, but it is coming back to bite it in modern day times. Even the people that don't commit violent crimes here all seem to have some sick Waco compound Purge Civil War fantasy brewing in their head.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The key issue here is the toxic Main Character syndrome individualistic culture the US has

Yeah, individualism has gone so awry in modern day America, a sizeable portion of our nation has declared themselves either Red Pill or Intersectionalists. Both camps endlessly regurgitate their stale catechisms, never subjecting them to the same rigor and skepticism one subjects the tenets of every other religion on Earth to, and anyone in these camps who DOES dare to think independently (Be an individual, in other words)finds themselves promptly excommunicated

Increased collectivism is the antidote to all this insanity

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Yeah, individualism has gone so awry in modern day America, a sizeable portion of our nation has declared themselves either Red Pill or Intersectionalists. Both camps endlessly regurgitate their stale catechisms, never subjecting them to the same rigor and skepticism one subjects the tenets of every other religion on Earth to, and anyone in these camps who DOES dare to think independently (Be an individual, in other words)finds themselves promptly excommunicated

Increased collectivism is the antidote to all this insanity

Collectivism or individuality, pick one bro

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I know your role model:

Haha, unfortunately it's the truth as uncomfortable and angry as that might make the rest of the world.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

America World Police looks a lot like someone who messes up someone else's kitchen to make their meal and then expects the kitchen owner to thank them for helping them clean up the mess afterward.

You know what you should check out? European history in the interbellum years about how Hitler came to power. It's not that difficult to see similar things happen in your country right now.

Unfortunately left to your own devices you would be beating each other with stale baguettes and soggy crepes then crying for help from everyone else.

We don't have time to get drug into your thousand year old disputes about historical boundaries and start world wars over it so we just make sure you stay in your lane preemptively.

 

[BaronOfHair]

America World Police looks a lot like someone who messes up someone else's kitchen to make their meal and then expects the kitchen owner to thank them for helping them clean up the mess afterward

If nothing else, the world got a great song

out of questionable foreign policy

 

[FlirtLife]

You know what you should check out? European history in the interbellum years about how Hitler came to power. It's not that difficult to see similar things happen in your country right now.

There was a pivotal moment when Germany blamed jews instead of its military for the loss of WWI. Maybe the war hero (Hindenburg) who endorsed Hitler wouldn't have had as much clout if the army had been blamed. Maybe not blaming jews would have lowered the level of antisemitism in Germany. But those events were hardly fueled purely by the rhetoric of one man. Are you blaming Trump's rhetoric (which gets called out)? Or something else, like how both U.S. political parties can score points by acting tough on China?

America World Police looks a lot like someone who messes up someone else's kitchen to make their meal and then expects the kitchen owner to thank them for helping them clean up the mess afterward.

You blame the United States for damage to Europe in WWII, or am I misreading this?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You didn't watch the Stanhope video in post #82, did you?

Who is this 'we'? Really dude, open a history book not written by an American and stop riding the coattails of your 'illustrious forebears'. If your grandpa fought in WW2, he probably wouldn't boast about it like you do, and he sure as shyte wouldn't expect the gratitude you think Americans deserve for 'saving Europe from being overrun by the Nazis'.

You clearly have no clue about actual world history and any discussion to that effect is pointless until you get some.

The hilarious thing is that I am a history buff and am fascinated by it and have read tons of books, took AP world history in high school(aka a college level history course) and watched literally almost every documentary and series I could on Netflix related to history(those series are amazing BTW...highly recommend). From Alexander the Great, to the Roman Empire to the Ottomon Empire to Ghenfis Khan, English history, Germanic History, Florence and the Renaissance under the Medicis, etc...

Saying that I "don't know anything about world history" is honestly comical.

What I know is that for all the talk and pomp and circumstance you want to bring up, when it actually matters...when push comes to shove...when the rubber hits the road...when all the talk ends and th actions begins, most of Europe folds like a cheap tent.

That has nothing to do with American history books. That has to do with reality. If you refuse to live in reality then that's your option. Trying to claim people don't know anything about world history because they literally tell the truth about what ACTUALLY happened is not only disingenuous but comes across as living in an alternate reality.

I get it...maybe it hurts you national pride or ego or whatever you might think about your country or Europe in general. But the truth is the truth even if it's a bitter pill to swallow.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You're misreading this.

I don't want this thread to become political, but the notion that Team America World Police is 'needed' is overblown. Post-WW2 US involvement in global conflicts (acting like Team America World Police) has created more problems than it solved, especially US 'anti-Communist' activities (supplying 'rebel forces' with training and weapons) is now being used by BITG to explain the necessity of the US Military to 'keep the peace' where they were actually the ones who escalated minor conflicts into major conflicts with their hubris.

On the other hand, while I don't want to instigate that the USA was responsible for Hitler's ascent to power:

The crash of the American Stockmarket affected economies worldwide, but the Depression hit hardest in Germany and provided fertile ground for a Make Germany Great Again political movement spearheaded by a certain populist politician.

Seems like you are the one in need of a history lesson now.

The crash of the stock market was just another thing that piled on, not the main issue. Kind of like the icing on the cake.

The main reason was the intense German hatred for their government who they felt sold them up the river with concessions including German de-militarizarion, the payment of huge reparations and the loss of territory and population which included areas that produced almost half of the iron ore for Germany and also a large percentage of it's coal mining industry, which greatly effected it economically.

This created harsh economic conditions for the German people, high unemployment rates and a government that was largely looked at as the enemy after taking over for Kaiser Wilhelm II who abdicated after the military mutiny against him.

At the point of the Stock Market crash, Germany was over a decade into ever worsening economic conditions, extremists were ever increasing their calls to overthrow the government and the people were deeply upset with how willingly the German government rolled over and took full blame for WW I at the Treaty of Versailles.

This was a much greater "reason" for the eventual rise of Hitler than the stock market crash. That was simply the straw that broke the camels back. It was likely going to happen regardless at some point. That type of deep seated hatred was never going to just go away...it was going to continue to build up and build up until it exploded. Like a giant powder keg that's been lit with a match...you can try and extend the wick longer and longer but at some point it's going to run out and that is going to ignite the keg.

That just sped it up. If it wasn't the stock market crash, it would have been some other event that ended up triggering it. The governments position at that point was untenable with the general population.

 

[FlirtLife]

You're misreading this.

I don't want this thread to become political, but the notion that Team America World Police is 'needed' is overblown. Post-WW2 US involvement in global conflicts (acting like Team America World Police) has created more problems than it solved, especially US 'anti-Communist' activities (supplying 'rebel forces' with training and weapons) is now being used by BITG to explain the necessity of the US Military to 'keep the peace' where they were actually the ones who escalated minor conflicts into major conflicts with their hubris.

That makes more sense. Yet I think that view should be balanced with the actions of the Soviet Union post-WW2, which provides needed context for actions by the U.S. during the Cold War. In the case of Korea and Vietnam, the U.S. intervened directly to impose a cost on the growth of the Soviet Union. In my view, stopping the Soviet Union was valuable. I don't know in each case if a government would have fallen to the Soviet Union, were it not for U.S. military aid. But that again requires weighing the context of the Cold War.

On the other hand, while I don't want to instigate that the USA was responsible for Hitler's ascent to power:

The crash of the American Stockmarket affected economies worldwide, but the Depression hit hardest in Germany and provided fertile ground for a Make Germany Great Again political movement spearheaded by a certain populist politician.

The allied powers required Germany pay reparations for WWI, which is the reason Germany was so deep in debt. Germany responded to that with hyperinflation to pay its debts, which was well before the U.S. stock market crash. I thought history places the blame on reparations, more than on any one of the allies (one of which was the U.S.).

 

[FlirtLife]

In Europe, far right populists are attracting more voters, with immigration a top concern. From what I can tell, too few are learning the local language, which dramatically lowers their job prospects. In France, 10% of immigrants are unemployed compared to 4% in the U.S. While Le Pen was rejected by voters in France, Italy went with a far-right prime minister. I don't see the problem as unique to the U.S.

 

[Vanderdonck]

Half of Europe was ruled by the Soviets for 50 years after ww2. Interventionism is a failed ideology. Expansion of war just leads to more death and destruction. See both world wars, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, the cold war. Goes against the founding principles of the US but that ship has sailed. Free and open trade are the best ways toward peace, not more warfare.

 

[BaronOfHair]

And in the Netherlands, Wilders, leader of the populist PVV party, won the election but nobody wanted him to be prime minister, so he had to agree to appoint Schoof to the post of prime minister.

That is a tragedy. Wilders missed his chance to save Holland from Islamization, at the menacing hands of that 6% of The Dutch population who identify as Muslim

This is more nightmarish than learning that The Feminists stopped The Men's Rights Movement dead in it's tracks, by breaking into the homes of every card-carrying MRA on Earth, then wiring each entrance and exit of said homes with claymore mines. Otherwise the born malcontents who make up AVFM, and the failed artists over at HBR wouldn't have been forced to confine themselves to sh-tposting on social media then confusing that for activism

Rather than getting out from behind their keyboards, knocking on doors out in reality, and serving as effective salesmen for policy changes like ending The Drug War and increasing access to vocational training

 

[Bible_Belt]

America World Police looks a lot like someone who messes up someone else's kitchen to make their meal and then expects the kitchen owner to thank them for helping them clean up the mess afterward.

If you like buying cheap crap from China, then someone has to police the seas so it can get to you. The only country who can do that is the US. Global trade only exists because of the US Navy. Modern products like iPhones contain components and raw materials from something like 40-50 different countries. We're all hooked on consumerism. That's what the world police are really protecting.

 

[zekko]

However, Switzerland has among the highest gun ownership rates per capita n the world and they have none of the issues that the US has with killings and fun violence. Why? Because it's a source of national pride for them and children and raised very early on to respect them and are trained on the proper use of guns.

Unfortunately, the US has too much of toxic divide politically to get them to agree on a source of national pride and how to view guns.`
I'm also afraid that the culture is too splintered to hold such a unified view.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Unfortunately, the US has too much of toxic divide politically to get them to agree on a source of national pride and how to view guns

Yeah, those of us who maintain that school shootings are overall a net benefit for society (The planet is being cleansed of both future Gender Studies grads AND True Believers in Red Pill Theolgy)are rarely given any airtime, when the subject of gun control is broached

 

[zekko]

Yeah, those of us who maintain that school shootings are overall a net benefit for society (The planet is being cleansed of both future Gender Studies grads AND True Believers in Red Pill Theolgy)are rarely given any airtime, when the subject of gun control is broached

You're ignoring the point of the OP.

 

[BaronOfHair]

You're ignoring the point of the OP.

"Think of the children who'll be pulverized into chitterlings, unless we get assault rifles out of civilian hands!!!" is the go-to argument of every Daily Show watching gun control nut in America

Such an argument rests upon the uninterrogated assumption that every child's life is worth preserving, even when they're exhibiting more red flags than an Alonzo J White convention https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_(American_slavery)