"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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I approached a HB 10-much calmer approach and better

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I saw this stunning English smartly dressed women who is in her early to mid 20s.

I just saw two guys approach her before me and she walked off saying something, so definitely a 10/10.

I decided to approach.

I socialised before hand, I was much much more calmer and animated.

I approached from the side, tapped her on the shoulder

Then faced her, I calmly approached and said "hey, I just saw you and just had to say hello to you".

She walked off, politely saying "hello", she didn't blow me out, politely said it and politely walked away.

Much much better, the key is the calmness and conviction in the approach, communication.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Approach her from the front and don't touch her.


You should really work on how to open a conversation, because this one is lame af.

Also, don't put stupid ratings ('HB10') in the title of your thread. Just say 'attractive woman' because your relative ratings are basically useless for reference unless you post a photo of the tart you're approaching and that would be inadvisable.
Thank you for the insights bud.
 

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That's creepy and demeaning AF.
Would you do the same with a smartly dressed man, expecting him to give you some change?
Because basically that's what you're doing ... begging girls for their attention. o_O
 

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OK, that's great...next step is now the better approaches need to start leading to better results.

If the results aren't improving, then it's not really any better.
 

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Hi Stephen,
In this Country and I suspect England too,you can't even hold eye contact without the risk of her shouting harrassment to the Gendarmes....To touch a Woman is Assault,you could be before a Magistrate!
 

"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"

Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.

She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.

Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.

So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.

The words come later. The impression comes first.

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Why not just initiate a convo…. When I found this site in the early 2000’s I would go out and just talk to humans…. Walking up and sheepishly saying hi…. And watching her walk away really does nothing. If you engage in conversation for however brief I think you will get much comfortable faster.
 

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Problem with beautiful women is that they expect men to be a certain way around them

saying things like " I had too talk to you " instantly categorises you as low value and from there , there is virtually no coming back

If I had seen two guys previously approach her I would just walk over and say something like

"hey what did say too scare those 2 poor boys away"

She Will likely find it amusing but more importantly you've broken the ice without being submissive or weird
 

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Hi Stephen,
Unless you are at least an eight yourself and of a similar social class what is the point of approaching such a classy Woman?....If you are an eight why do you need to?
 

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This is a lousy approach from a technique standpoint. If you plan to approach someone, add value. If you opened with a meaningful insight about her, you could have sparked a meaningful interaction ending with a date offer.

At the very least, a good opener could have gotten you a 15-60 second interaction (not long enough to offer a date) but still better than a 1-2 second interaction.
 

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Hi Stephen,
Unless you are at least an eight yourself and of a similar social class what is the point of approaching such a classy Woman?....If you are an eight why do you need to?
I'm definitely an 8. I have quiet a lot going for me. I work out, groom myself well, have a standard height, wear nice, trendy clothes.
 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Hi Stephen,
So why do you need to cold approach?....Believe me gaining the attention of a Woman at a higher metier than yourself is one of lifes greatest follies.
 

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NPD much?
 

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Hi Stephen,
So why do you need to cold approach?....Believe me gaining the attention of a Woman at a higher metier than yourself is one of lifes greatest follies.
I did say I'm an 8, however with everything else, I'd say I'm 8.5.

I did get some eye context from other younger women that day, which I hesitated opening up a conversation.
 

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I did see a few 7s go with a 9 women that day. Maybe they had a bit of alpha about them.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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I did see a few 7s go with a 9 women that day. Maybe they had a bit of alpha about them.
Stephen, you’ve been on this forum since 2016 and are still doing beginner “bootcamp” trainings ???

It’s been 8 years you shouldn’t be using a number rating system at all, for yourself or them.

If you’re looking at becoming a better conversationalist then this is not the correct way of going about it.

What are you looking to achieve here ?? Just sex with plenty of beautiful women or something more ?? What is your purpose ??
 

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I saw this stunning English smartly dressed women who is in her early to mid 20s.

I just saw two guys approach her before me and she walked off saying something, so definitely a 10/10.

I decided to approach.

I socialised before hand, I was much much more calmer and animated.

I approached from the side, tapped her on the shoulder

Then faced her, I calmly approached and said "hey, I just saw you and just had to say hello to you".

She walked off, politely saying "hello", she didn't blow me out, politely said it and politely walked away.

Much much better, the key is the calmness and conviction in the approach, communication.
I'd of said...statistics say for every 3 guys that approaches a girl, the first two get rejected and the 3rd one gets her number! Say it in a clever/funny tone and she will smile. Introduce yourself, ask her name and expand on that topic or start another one.

If its intimidating to strike up conversations with women, then go sit at your local bar, have a few drinks, and talk to anybody and everybody. Get creative. Spend sometime before you go thinking up interesting things.

Perhaps observe others and learn from them first.
 

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I saw this stunning English smartly dressed women who is in her early to mid 20s.

I just saw two guys approach her before me and she walked off saying something, so definitely a 10/10.

I decided to approach.

I socialised before hand, I was much much more calmer and animated.

I approached from the side, tapped her on the shoulder

Then faced her, I calmly approached and said "hey, I just saw you and just had to say hello to you".

She walked off, politely saying "hello", she didn't blow me out, politely said it and politely walked away.

Much much better, the key is the calmness and conviction in the approach, communication.
Well, I guess it's better then saying, Hello, are you tired? She'll say why? You respond, because you've been running around and around in my head.
 

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Well, I guess it's better then saying, Hello, are you tired? She'll say why? You respond, because you've been running around and around in my head.
And then she will say...

"Is your refrigerator running?"

And he'll say "Yeah..."

And then she'll say "Well you better go catch it and stop chasing after me..."
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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