Can game really overcome lack of value if you seek more than just sex?

[DoofusDonutDude]

I've been observing - there are plenty of dudes in relationship with a solid hot women for LTR who are confident but don't have game - because they exhibit value in some or other aspect- either they're good looking , have a great personality, are rich ..or just a solid good sorted person who is doing decent in life.

I've seen guys with total **** can lives banging the hottest women because they have extremely solid game but they are unable to make them stick around. It's like a hit it and quit it thing for the women- they use the dude for fun but leave them once its time to get serious .

One female friend described such guys are "They're like junk food. Good in the moment but bad for you long term. A momentary indulgence. Long term you need something that is nourishing but hopefully somewhat fun as well"

A friend put it this way , if you want sex - "It's 60% game, 40% value" - if you want successful LTR - "It's 60% value, 40% game" .

The question is then, is game on its own enough if you seek more than just sex ?

It seems if you do not have game but have value you can have decent relationships with hot women but if you have game but not value you cannot have relationships with attractive women.

Of course, the ideal Don Juan has both value and game but that's the ideal scenario right..?

 

[zekko]

It seems if you do not have game but have value you can have decent relationships with hot women but if you have game but not value you cannot have relationships with attractive women.

It depends a lot on the woman, IMO. I know guys who seem to be very low value but they are in relationships. Some women have low self esteem and don't think they deserve a high value guy. Some like to be caretakers and like to take care of damaged men. Other women will be more demanding of what they are looking for. Basically, it takes two to tango, and not everybody is looking for the same thing.

 

[Manure Spherian]

The question is then, is game on its own enough if you seek more than just sex ?

No. And that goes for average looking and homely women too, unless you two want to stay home and do nothing. How the heck would you do anything for recreation or go on a vacation or weekend getaway with no money?

I say this with the common gf-bf/LTR in mind. I’m anti-“relationships”/boyfriend, so if I were single in the current day I’d only seek casual stuff or a wife (no bf-gf scenario). I wouldn’t invest time or money in an LTR.

What brings you to ask this stuff?

 

[devilkingx2]

If you lack all forms of value you'll only be good for hookups and other forms of casual sex. Good game with no value is like making a perfect first impression but being broke and average looking.

Hot girls are going to have the highest standards for value, they're definitely going to be expecting six foot millionaires.

But there's more to value than pure raw LMS. If you happen to be an expert on places to eat and your girlfriend is a foodie then that's value. If you're friends with the bouncer/manager/bartender of a hot night club and your friends drink for free because of it that's value.

 

[zekko]

It depends on what the women in your life value in you.
You look at this from the male perspective, not the female perspective.

That's true. Some girls like a guy just because he has a large penis.
Others just want the company.

 

[zekko]

Women who are attracted to me are attracted to my calm presence where they can let go of their control and relax. That type of value is difficult to put in monetary terms.

Being able to relax and feel comfortable just being yourself around someone definitely has real value. Although you rarely see people talk about it here.

 

[SW15]

Looks are the most important part of Game. Money becomes more relevant for men ages 35+.

Personality means far less than looks or money for attracting and initially seducing women.

 

[Doctor Europeo]

I've seen guys with total **** can lives banging the hottest women because they have extremely solid game but they are unable to make them stick around. It's like a hit it and quit it thing for the women- they use the dude for fun but leave them once its time to get serious .

One female friend described such guys are "They're like junk food. Good in the moment but bad for you long term. A momentary indulgence. Long term you need something that is nourishing but hopefully somewhat fun as well"

Sounds like the type of girls who will have Same Night Lays with guys they dont consider good LTR material but will make other guys wait if they have good LTR potential. These girls should be plate status only / Recreational use only.

 

[SW15]

Sounds like the type of girls who will have Same Night Lays with guys they dont consider good LTR material but will make other guys wait if they have good LTR potential. These girls should be plate status only / Recreational use only.

That thinking pattern has never made sense to me. It's best not to try to make sense out of women's thinking patterns.

 

[zekko]

Women learn to mistrust men - "men only want one thing" - so most of them cannot relax around men unless they have these men under control. However, that control is tenuous, so while these women can 'relax', they cannot give over control, because that is a whole other level of trust.

That's an interesting statement, because I remember common old PUA advice would be that the girl should feel she is in immediate danger of being shagged over the dumpster. Regardless, I've always thought there was more than one way to skin a cat. I take it you are a photographer?

 

[zekko]

No, I do shibari with women. Although I do take photos, but most photos are private, not for public consumption.

Oh, that's interesting. Are you paying them as models, or is this just a date activity?

 

[BackInTheGame78]

You ask the wrong question. Value is in the eye of the beholder. If you have a lack of value for higher level women, your error is not understanding this is your ceiling at this level of value you provide.

Either you can choose to date women who accept this level of value you have and stop trying to date women far higher than your current value will allow, or you work to up your value so that you can date those women you are trying to date.

It's that simple.

Either you accept your value and date accordingly, or you work to increase your value and date accordingly.

 

[zekko]

OF models pay a high flat fee or a low fee with commission.

You're saying the models pay you, and then they sell the photos themselves?