"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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This one is for the LTR players: You can never tell her that you like or love her.

Playing to win is to keep them on their toes.

In memoriam of Coach Gonzalo Lira, who recently got killed by the ukrainian Regime.

 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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First off, this is BS.
Secondly, why take LTR advice from this guy? He wasn't in a successful LTR and he practically committed suicide by staying in Ukraine during the war and publicly and openly being a Russian trumpet. If anything, this guy is an example of how NOT to lead your life.
 

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First off, this is BS.
Secondly, why take LTR advice from this guy? He wasn't in a successful LTR and he practically committed suicide by staying in Ukraine during the war and publicly and openly being a Russian trumpet. If anything, this guy is an example of how NOT to lead your life.
THIS is BS. Its like telling a boxing coach he is useless until he was world champion himself.

He doesnt tell you "do as i do" but do as i say".

He didnt say "lead your life like i did", did he?

That aside, he was a journalist, not a spy. Do journalists deserve to die in prison if they dont report what you deem right?
 

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I’ve actually had this seriously backfire on me.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Oh for crying out loud, when in a LTR if you never tell her you love her, or otherwise act like you love her, she's gonna dump you. YAWN.

Intermittent reinforcement. At times you act adoringly and sentimental and can tell her you love her, other times distant yourself, act aloof and keep her wondering/guessing.

It's like playing a slot machine at Vegas, it will keep her in a heightened state of uncertainty wondering when she's gonna get the "good stuff"! And when she does?

It's a HIGH she never felt, she'll be become addicted. Unlike with the boring white knights who cater to her AND those pseudo alpha idiots that never tell her.

Pan87 used to discuss this. A poster named stormrider/da dynamically from back in the day as well.

Intermittent reinforcement. It's an intoxicating and dangerous combination of hot/cold, push/pull, come close/go away. And during the loving times, yes you can tell her!

Women complain when he becomes distant and aloof, it's all BS. Take that away and they're bored and running to next guy who's able to give them just the right dose of highs/lows.

My own dad was like this with both my mom and step mom, naturally. And had them both completely and utterly in love with him, loyal and devoted. Even with us kids he was times but was nevertheless a fantastic father to all of us. Would give his life for any of us.

Unfortunately, most men are unable to pull it off successfully. It ends up coming off disingenuous and contrived.

In any event, guy on the video doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

$.02
 
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THIS is BS. Its like telling a boxing coach he is useless until he was world champion himself.

He doesnt tell you "do as i do" but do as i say".

He didnt say "lead your life like i did", did he?

That aside, he was a journalist, not a spy. Do journalists deserve to die in prison if they dont report what you deem right?
The advice itself is BS ... one can't even get in a relationship, let alone LTR with a woman of average intelligence and self esteem following that advice. How is that even debatable? :rolleyes:
When the coach himself isn't in an LTR following his advice, nor has he presented any examples of guys following it and being in a LTR with a desirable woman, then your boxing coach analogy fails.
There are certain standards a person should meet in order to be called a journalist, especially in a country at war ... he fell far short of them.
Lira gained a following by posting content online hostile to the Ukrainian government and its President Volodymyr Zelensky. Lira baselessly branded Ukraine's leader a "cokehead," and described the Russian operation as "one of the most brilliant invasions in military history."
https://www.newsweek.com/who-gonzalo-lira-pro-putin-american-expat-dies-ukrainian-jail-1860496
 

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I csn read the sub text that you're miserable, sorry bro, but coming to this forum to whine won't solve anything, take action is not too late
Dont read "subtext" , thats what women do.

I think i have never whined or complained on this forum. Telling facts is not complaining.

I am here to help and i can tell you that Gonzalo, amongst others, saved my marriage and is the reason why i still see my kid every day.

As i said, i am good and its not your place to tell me how i am, bro.

The advice itself is BS ... one can't even get in a relationship, let alone LTR with a woman of average intelligence and self esteem following that advice. How is that even debatable? :rolleyes:
When the coach himself isn't in an LTR following his advice, nor has he presented any examples of guys following it and being in a LTR with a desirable woman, then your boxing coach analogy fails.
There are certain standards a person should meet in order to be called a journalist, especially in a country at war ... he fell far short of them.
https://www.newsweek.com/who-gonzalo-lira-pro-putin-american-expat-dies-ukrainian-jail-1860496
I havent gotten into ANY relationship by telling a woman that i love her. What are you even talking about?

This might be a cultural thing at your place but here grown people dont run around and ask women "oh i love you so much, do you want to be my girlfriend?".

The Coach obviously has been in LTRs and a father .... is anyone that drops out of a relationship disqualified to give advice?

I personaly saved my marriage with becoming redpilled and in retrospect i see what worked in my earlier relationships and what not.
 

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This might be a cultural thing at your place but here grown people dont run around and ask women "oh i love you so much, do you want to be my girlfriend?".
Now you're building a straw-man. That's not what I was talking about. I was calling BS on the the title and screencap of the video which contain the word never.
Whoever follows that advice and claims to be 3 months in a relationship, never mind +6 months, I'm here to tell you that woman has serious issues and no self esteem.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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If you plan on having surface level relationships that are fleeting for the rest of your life, then sure. If you want deeper relationships then you have to act like an actual human being not a robot.
 

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As has been said many times, there are different ways of handling women based on:

Country
Culture
Age
Socio-economic standing
if you want a f-buddy, a ONS or an LTR

It's important for us to participate in the discussions to know what the parameters are. I feel we spend 90% of our time trying to figure out said data points and much less time having congruent discussions.

Answers will vary if you're a 20-something trying to get your pud wet, a 30-something looking to start the wife search, a 40+ dude macking on whoever.
 

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Now you're building a straw-man. That's not what I was talking about. I was calling BS on the the title and screencap of the video which contain the word never.
Whoever follows that advice and claims to be 3 months in a relationship, never mind +6 months, I'm here to tell you that woman has serious issues and no self esteem.
Well as I understand "coach" is that he means that in the initial stage and she must first say the "magical words". Not later on. Of course you can then tell a girl that you like her then...
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Well as I understand "coach" is that he means that in the initial stage and she must first say the "magical words". Not later on. Of course you can then tell a girl that you like her then...
At the end of the day, it's always better to show/display your love (if there's any) to your woman through actions, not verbally.
 

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As has been said many times, there are different ways of handling women based on:

Country
Culture
Age
Socio-economic standing
if you want a f-buddy, a ONS or an LTR

It's important for us to participate in the discussions to know what the parameters are. I feel we spend 90% of our time trying to figure out said data points and much less time having congruent discussions.

Answers will vary if you're a 20-something trying to get your pud wet, a 30-something looking to start the wife search, a 40+ dude macking on whoever.
Hey Pierce,
I got a great idea,what about Guys put down their Age,and Country of Origin.
 
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Like how do you mean?
Intermittent reinforcement. At times you act adoringly and sentimental and can tell her you love her, other times distant yourself, act aloof and keep her wondering/guessing.
It's an intoxicating and dangerous combination of hot/cold, push/pull, come close/go away. And during the loving times, yes you can tell her!

Women complain when he becomes distant and aloof, it's all BS. Take that away and they're bored and running to next guy who's able to give them just the right dose of highs/lows.
You're welcome. ;)
 

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Ya know Scara, you're a mind reader! you're just amazing brah.

When (if) I ever grow up I want to be just like you!

Hey Pierce,
I got a great idea,what about Guys put down their Age,and Country of Origin.
 

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Ya know Scara, you're a mind reader! you're just amazing brah.

When (if) I ever grow up I want to be just like you!
Hi Pierce,
Age is not that important but useful,but some of our Brothers live in completely divergent Cultures where our advice can actually be counter productive,Just Saying!
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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