HaleyBaron
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Hiring cleaning service. Still cheaper than a gf. 
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
It costs $250 to clean my 2 bedroom home.
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
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A man doesn't actually need a girlfriend to get his place cleaned. I think most men consider the sex to be a far more important part of having a girlfriend. The sex is the most valuable thing that a girlfriend provides.
Mike32ct
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The house is gotta be clean before you get a gf.
SW15
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It depends on how strong your seduction skills are. One of the highest notch guys I knew kept a messy apartment and got a girlfriend. He is a 6'4" ex college athlete. That mattered more than the messy apartment. He later put a ring on it and she cleans their house now.
I agree.
Murk
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I struggle to keep my place tidy, my spare room is now not my office but a junk room. I leave things everywhere then do a mad cleanup when anyone comes over. Amante Silver taught me some good techniques actually.
When I rented my room to a girl the place was always immaculate. I've brought girls back when it was a sh!thole, maybe they cared, but they always came back no problem. I always felt some type of way, but my natural inability to stay organised overrides everything else.
My aunt said to hire a cleaner but the 13oz of cali in my house and cash means that's a no go.
When I rented my room to a girl the place was always immaculate. I've brought girls back when it was a sh!thole, maybe they cared, but they always came back no problem. I always felt some type of way, but my natural inability to stay organised overrides everything else.
My aunt said to hire a cleaner but the 13oz of cali in my house and cash means that's a no go.
"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
Vantagepoint34
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You picked them up on professional network. Like angieslist?Hiring cleaning service. Still cheaper than a gf.
HaleyBaron
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I have no idea what that is but I can make a guess that's an escort listing.
Btw, if you want to see the state of a woman's mind, just measure her by how clean her room is.
Vantagepoint34
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Escort listing were taken down in a big bust a few years back. Craigslist is still wide open with cleaning services and baby sitters ;-)
lost_blackbird
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It costs £0 to clean my house. I do it and wouldn't have it any other way.
HaleyBaron
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Im busy as hell so I have a hard time keeping things up. I clean to a reasonable level, but there's smaller stuff that require an hour or two of investment like the kitchen or bathroom that I simply don't have time to do.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
EyeBRollin
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Damn. Sex is easy to come by. Why do I need a woman again?
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The more common path to more frequent sex is through some extended relationship. That's a girlfriend and the earlier years of a wife. As the years progress in a marriage, the sex frequency usually diminishes. This is why I believe that committed romantic relationships only have a shelf life of goodness of 5 years in most cases.
Sex is not easy to come by for the typical man. 26% of men ages 18+ had no sex in the last calendar year. I'd say 30-35% or more of men 18+ have infrequent sex.
HaleyBaron
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Would you argue that girls you have a lot of sex with are effectively your gf? Even if she's a plate? I'm starting to realize that even we dont voice it, we're technically being boyfriend and girlfriend hanging out that way.
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No, I would not argue that. I would call that more of a situationship. A relationship has to be more defined and there has to be an expectation of monogamy.