HaleyBaron
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Hiring cleaning service. Still cheaper than a gf. 
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
It costs $250 to clean my 2 bedroom home.
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“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
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A man doesn't actually need a girlfriend to get his place cleaned. I think most men consider the sex to be a far more important part of having a girlfriend. The sex is the most valuable thing that a girlfriend provides.
Mike32ct
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The house is gotta be clean before you get a gf.
SW15
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It depends on how strong your seduction skills are. One of the highest notch guys I knew kept a messy apartment and got a girlfriend. He is a 6'4" ex college athlete. That mattered more than the messy apartment. He later put a ring on it and she cleans their house now.
I agree.
Murk
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I struggle to keep my place tidy, my spare room is now not my office but a junk room. I leave things everywhere then do a mad cleanup when anyone comes over. Amante Silver taught me some good techniques actually.
When I rented my room to a girl the place was always immaculate. I've brought girls back when it was a sh!thole, maybe they cared, but they always came back no problem. I always felt some type of way, but my natural inability to stay organised overrides everything else.
My aunt said to hire a cleaner but the 13oz of cali in my house and cash means that's a no go.
When I rented my room to a girl the place was always immaculate. I've brought girls back when it was a sh!thole, maybe they cared, but they always came back no problem. I always felt some type of way, but my natural inability to stay organised overrides everything else.
My aunt said to hire a cleaner but the 13oz of cali in my house and cash means that's a no go.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Vantagepoint34
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You picked them up on professional network. Like angieslist?Hiring cleaning service. Still cheaper than a gf.
HaleyBaron
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I have no idea what that is but I can make a guess that's an escort listing.
Btw, if you want to see the state of a woman's mind, just measure her by how clean her room is.
Vantagepoint34
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Escort listing were taken down in a big bust a few years back. Craigslist is still wide open with cleaning services and baby sitters ;-)
lost_blackbird
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It costs £0 to clean my house. I do it and wouldn't have it any other way.
HaleyBaron
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Im busy as hell so I have a hard time keeping things up. I clean to a reasonable level, but there's smaller stuff that require an hour or two of investment like the kitchen or bathroom that I simply don't have time to do.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
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Damn. Sex is easy to come by. Why do I need a woman again?
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The more common path to more frequent sex is through some extended relationship. That's a girlfriend and the earlier years of a wife. As the years progress in a marriage, the sex frequency usually diminishes. This is why I believe that committed romantic relationships only have a shelf life of goodness of 5 years in most cases.
Sex is not easy to come by for the typical man. 26% of men ages 18+ had no sex in the last calendar year. I'd say 30-35% or more of men 18+ have infrequent sex.
HaleyBaron
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Would you argue that girls you have a lot of sex with are effectively your gf? Even if she's a plate? I'm starting to realize that even we dont voice it, we're technically being boyfriend and girlfriend hanging out that way.
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No, I would not argue that. I would call that more of a situationship. A relationship has to be more defined and there has to be an expectation of monogamy.