"The Kiss of Death Mistake"

You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?

Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.

One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.

Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Read more...

"Taking it slow"

FlexpertHamilton

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 10, 2020
Messages
3,147
Reaction score
3,659
Location
US
Do you interpret a woman who doesn't have sex on date 1 or date 2 to be uninterested, or is there a genuine reason some women claim to want to "take it slow" ?
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

Black Widow Void

Master Don Juan
Joined
Feb 24, 2010
Messages
2,152
Reaction score
3,796
I don't believe that there's a "one size fits all" answer to this question. I'll throw out a few possibilities.

A sexual delay could be (but not limited to)

1. She could be on her period
2. She may not be interested.
3. She might have been previously ghosted afterward and is now being more cautious.
4. She's getting the vibe that this is all you want and she's wanting a relationship
5. Repressed lesbian
6. Waiting for her outbreak to heal
7. She might be more traditional

... we're talking women and so, there' could be an additional ten or hundred more possible reasons.

At my age, I've encountered plenty of women that wouldn't give up home-plate by the 1st or 2nd date.
Not saying that there's a "right" or "wrong" way to approach this, but here's my approach:

If she seems worth my time... then as long as I'm able to advance further on the 2nd and 3rd situation (we're talking evening dates - not some lunch date) then I've been known to stick around for up to four dating encounters. If by the third or forth, she wasn't even willing to 'relieve the pressure' (at least hand/oral) then it would be game-over for her.
 

Murk

Master Don Juan
Joined
Aug 17, 2017
Messages
4,359
Reaction score
3,322
Age
37
Location
London
There’s also the fact she’s looking for a relationship and knows ****ing hoardes of men on date 1-2 isn’t going to achieve anything other than higher body count and misery.

Older women will make you wait I found, younger girls I smash first date or ditch them, sometimes date two, never been on a date 3 before. It’s to weed out the ****boys and half hearted, it does work to a degree.
 

Doctor Europeo

Moderator
Joined
Mar 6, 2017
Messages
4,428
Reaction score
4,819
Location
Mexico
Back in my single days I was patient because I could get sex somewhere else. Most of them had sex eventually, but in retrospect things didnt work out for anything long term.
 

Gamisch

Master Don Juan
Joined
May 2, 2022
Messages
5,348
Reaction score
6,246
Do you interpret a woman who doesn't have sex on date 1 or date 2 to be uninterested, or is there a genuine reason some women claim to want to "take it slow" ?
Depends on a lotta factors. What come to mind is;

Where did you meet her?
Where was the date?
Did you make out?
What do you want , a fwb or a relationship?


It's not always a bad thing if you want something serious.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

Read more...

nismo-4

Moderator
Joined
Jan 31, 2005
Messages
4,439
Reaction score
1,143
Location
From New Orleans, Louisiana to Atlanta, Georgia!!!
Do you interpret a woman who doesn't have sex on date 1 or date 2 to be uninterested, or is there a genuine reason some women claim to want to "take it slow" ?
I rule women who make that statement as disinterested. She wouldn't tell this to Drake, Lebron James, or Elon Musk.

Women know that sex comes first, then comes relationship. The genuine reason they want to take it slow is that they need new orbiters to hear about how I blew her back out 3 days prior.

It's best you move on and look elsewhere. She doesn't find you attractive anyway. She's just trying to find a use for you outside of sex. Hell, Chad, Tyrone, and Enrique are out with other women. You should do the same.

Case closed.
 

FlexpertHamilton

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 10, 2020
Messages
3,147
Reaction score
3,659
Location
US
Depends on a lotta factors. What come to mind is;

Where did you meet her?
Where was the date?
Did you make out?
What do you want , a fwb or a relationship?


It's not always a bad thing if you want something serious.
Met on hinge, two bar dates (came home to my place after both times, didn't make a move 1st date, 2nd date i had her top off and we were tongue kissing)

Already seeing a few other women, but would like something else with her, just not something serious.

I haven't had a single women turn down sex on a 2nd date in almost several years, so it was a bit off putting.
 

FlexpertHamilton

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 10, 2020
Messages
3,147
Reaction score
3,659
Location
US
I rule women who make that statement as disinterested. She wouldn't tell this to Drake, Lebron James, or Elon Musk.

Women know that sex comes first, then comes relationship. The genuine reason they want to take it slow is that they need new orbiters to hear about how I blew her back out 3 days prior.

It's best you move on and look elsewhere. She doesn't find you attractive anyway. She's just trying to find a use for you outside of sex. Hell, Chad, Tyrone, and Enrique are out with other women. You should do the same.

Case closed.
You sound like you just graduated from Red Pill University.

Not offended, if what you're saying is true idgaf. I am already seeing other women I like more than her anyway.

I spent $50 on the 2nd date at a nice rooftop bar so quite frankly I am pretty off put. I will just do a non-date 3rd meetup straight to my place (or hers) and see if she'll bang. Then we'll see how it goes from there after.
 

Gamisch

Master Don Juan
Joined
May 2, 2022
Messages
5,348
Reaction score
6,246
Met on hinge, two bar dates (came home to my place after both times, didn't make a move 1st date, 2nd date i had her top off and we were tongue kissing)

Already seeing a few other women, but would like something else with her, just not something serious.

I haven't had a single women turn down sex on a 2nd date in almost several years, so it was a bit off putting.
Meets guy on hinge for bar date ,goes home with guy. Cant be her first time doing this..

I think the didnt make a move part is where things went wrong. Let all men learn from this post. Comes home = wants to bang imo.

We all know that if you don't make at least a move you'll make it harder on yourself , as proven by the second encounter.

Third date is a nothing-to -lose- all -cards- on the- table date. Promise us you'll bang or ditch her lol.
 

FlexpertHamilton

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 10, 2020
Messages
3,147
Reaction score
3,659
Location
US
Meets guy on hinge for bar date ,goes home with guy. Cant be her first time doing this..

I think the didnt make a move part is where things went wrong. Let all men learn from this post. Comes home = wants to bang imo.

We all know that if you don't make at least a move you'll make it harder on yourself , as proven by the second encounter.

Third date is a nothing-to -lose- all -cards- on the- table date. Promise us you'll bang or ditch her lol.
She left her high heels on when she came in and sat down. Plus I just wasn't feeling the vibe nor was I really in the mood for it. I mostly did that to get her familiar with the place so it wouldn't be as big of a deal next time. Really wasn't expecting to bang.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

Read more...

BillyPilgrim

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 9, 2021
Messages
6,127
Reaction score
4,952
She left her high heels on when she came in and sat down. Plus I just wasn't feeling the vibe nor was I really in the mood for it. I mostly did that to get her familiar with the place so it wouldn't be as big of a deal next time. Really wasn't expecting to bang.
Did she do or exhibit anything between the first and second dates to lead you to believe the vibe/mood would be different the second time around?
 

FlexpertHamilton

Master Don Juan
Joined
Jun 10, 2020
Messages
3,147
Reaction score
3,659
Location
US
Did she do or exhibit anything between the first and second dates to lead you to believe the vibe/mood would be different the second time around?
Yes, mainly because she specifically initiated the second date and said she would like to "hangout" after we get drinks.
 

BillyPilgrim

Master Don Juan
Joined
Apr 9, 2021
Messages
6,127
Reaction score
4,952
Yes, mainly because she specifically initiated the second date and said she would like to "hangout" after we get drinks.
That sucks. I usually make a point to establish sexting (towards the earlier stages of the seduction) so that there's no potential confusion about what "hangout" means. Then again I'm paranoid lol.
 
Last edited:
Top