"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Robert28

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Physical attraction is different from romantic attraction.

Physical attraction is superficial for the most part and fades pretty easily.

When she's crushing on you is different and much more sustainable.

If She's physically attracted to you then she will make out, sex ect but she doesn't like you on a deeper level, intimate level, you're just a hot guy she hooked up with.
Bull crap. Remember when a girl Friendzones you it means she’s not physically attracted to you? But yet you have a wonderful personality? Yeah, physical attraction is all that matters. Some woman fed you some bs sometime that you’re passing off here now and it’s a lie.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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By "not attracted to you", in the first quote, then your speaking of romantic attraction. Not physical attraction. Of which I'm talking about. And what @espanish's girl felt towards him. Your saying if she was romantically attracted to him rather that just physically attracted to him, she'd look past his creepy comment.

To me this is just a rephrasing of the "high interest" (romantic attraction)/"low interest" (physical attraction) talk that goes on here.

As I've talked about before, high interest from girls above my SMV is very rare (I'm talking about legit 9s being in love with him upon first glance). It's mostly medium interest. Meaning what I say or do can screw things up with them. Luckily, as experience has shown me time and time again, physical attraction can be gateway drug to romantic attraction.
You made some good points
 

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Your saying if she was romantically attracted to him rather that just physically attracted to him, she'd look past his creepy comment.
I'm not saying that specifically but yeah you get the point.
 

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Bull crap. Remember when a girl Friendzones you it means she’s not physically attracted to you? But yet you have a wonderful personality? Yeah, physical attraction is all that matters. Some woman fed you some bs sometime that you’re passing off here now and it’s a lie.
The words personality never even came out my mouth, and I'm handsome so I never stressed nor cared about personality because I don't need it.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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just because a girl made out with you doesn't mean she likes you.
It's funny that this is true. But it mostly applies to slvts and girls that are drunk or high.

I’ve had more negative experiences with women in person than I had when I was online.
So far in my experience, OLD women are either insufferably b!tchy or the most boring texters possible. And you only get a response from girls 1-3 points below the girls who'd give you the time of day in real life.
 

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Looks like the "friendzone" only happens to sub-8 normies with their looksmatch (esp with OLD) or higher. Chads and Sub-5s don't get friendzoned. Most game applies to beat friendzones are the normie range of 5-7s. It appears this zone suffers the most as sub-5s can just black-pill and zone-out since there is just nothing to lose by doing that and chads can be totally blue-pilled and still make it. It is also the range that is the most frustrating especially when it doesn't work out. You can see from the posts who fits into what. @Robert28 is a 5-6 normie, at best. @Striker_93 sounds like a chad (what is he doing on this board?). @devilkingx2 is definitely a normie too.
You can always tell people's reality with women and what tier they fit in by their posts. That's why there can't ever be agreement because there are divided realities.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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i just sent shawty a text message. it's been 38 minutes and still no reply. i think i pissed her off. stupid cvntbag! gah! women are so trifling. she's just an attention wh-re. what a waste of my time.

^ that's what some uh you sound like. Calm down.
 

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Looks like the "friendzone" only happens to sub-8 normies with their looksmatch (esp with OLD) or higher. Chads and Sub-5s don't get friendzoned. Most game applies to beat friendzones are the normie range of 5-7s. It appears this zone suffers the most as sub-5s can just black-pill and zone-out since there is just nothing to lose by doing that and chads can be totally blue-pilled and still make it. It is also the range that is the most frustrating especially when it doesn't work out. You can see from the posts who fits into what. @Robert28 is a 5-6 normie, at best. @Striker_93 sounds like a chad (what is he doing on this board?). @devilkingx2 is definitely a normie too.
You can always tell people's reality with women and what tier they fit in by their posts. That's why there can't ever be agreement because there are divided realities.
I’m more of a 6-7 mainly because of my fitness level and going by the girls I’ve dated in the past.
 

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Bull crap. Remember when a girl Friendzones you it means she’s not physically attracted to you? But yet you have a wonderful personality? Yeah, physical attraction is all that matters. Some woman fed you some bs sometime that you’re passing off here now and it’s a lie.
Personality is important but it's less important than actually attracting her or at least meeting her standards with LMS. Then your personality comes into play after that.
 

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Looks like the "friendzone" only happens to sub-8 normies with their looksmatch (esp with OLD) or higher. Chads and Sub-5s don't get friendzoned. Most game applies to beat friendzones are the normie range of 5-7s. It appears this zone suffers the most as sub-5s can just black-pill and zone-out since there is just nothing to lose by doing that and chads can be totally blue-pilled and still make it. It is also the range that is the most frustrating especially when it doesn't work out. You can see from the posts who fits into what. @Robert28 is a 5-6 normie, at best. @Striker_93 sounds like a chad (what is he doing on this board?). @devilkingx2 is definitely a normie too.
You can always tell people's reality with women and what tier they fit in by their posts. That's why there can't ever be agreement because there are divided realities.
I would be happy to have made it to the upper end of normies, progress is progress. I'll get above 8 one day. Or at least a solid 7.5

I know the friendzone is real but I usually avoid it by being a sexual person, it causes girls who just want me in a boring box to stop talking to me.

I can understand your two different realities point because I've definitely seen users advise not trying to be sexual or initiate kino on the first date and letting the girl do that instead, to me that sounds like setting yourself up for the friendzone.
 
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