"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Everyone lives in their own reality, as in, everyone is not having the issues being described here, dating has not gotten harder, it's easy, at least in the circles I roam in and the people I'm around. This is the only place where I see these things being discussed, in the real world, with guys who's actually good with women are not having these issues nor complaining about it.

If youre not doing good with women it's more of a YOU thing then the "dating climate" changing or whatever other excuse you guys can come up with.
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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Women have objectively gotten worse over time. It's not just the forum.

Over the past 10 years I've watched wokeness/feminism turn some of my female friends into raging harpies that no one wants to be friends with or date.

But that said, a guy who maintains his masculinity is still going to get action simply because women aren't interested in male feminists or other types of weak men.
 

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Speak for yourself, when a girl really likes you, you can get away with anything, you can do no wrong in there eyes lol, unless of course these girls are not attracted to you.
That’s why you have to date young. The ones that have had 100 6’3 Chads run through them, their attraction scale is broken anyways.
 

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Speak for yourself, when a girl really likes you, you can get away with anything, you can do no wrong in there eyes lol, unless of course these girls are not attracted to you
 

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The more time you spend on forums talking about women and watching videos about them, the more blackpilled you become.

This is then cured by going outside and talking to women, realizing the extreme cases that you're afraid of are very rare. Especially if you meet women in real life and not online.

It's hard to find the right balance between:
being aware of female nature and human nature so that you are not blindsided by BPD girls;
And becoming paranoid + jaded that every woman is Amber Heard or Jada Pinkett-Smith

 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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No,it’s not as bad as the forum makes it out to be.While women’s attitudes have gotten much worse,the principles governing attraction have remained the same.The problem is that most guys here have an unhealthy fixation with things they cannot control, and they allow these things to affect their perceptions of themselves as well as their approach to women.

I personally find that all I have to do if I want women is to put myself out there.They come around.And I’m no 6”4,blonde,blue eyed “Giga chad.”Most members of the forum are just investing their energy in the wrong places.
 

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She didnt like him, he thought she did.
 

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She didnt like him, he thought she did.
Cope. I do have a recent text exchange with a chick I ended up making out with but wasn't able to get out again, that I'll post for educational purposes. My own fault for going too direct ("can get away with anything"), only because I had a pua friend asking me for examples of texting sexually direct to post up on YouTube. While I only had boring "logistics texting" on my phone at the time.
 

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The more time you spend on forums talking about women and watching videos about them, the more blackpilled you become.

This is then cured by going outside and talking to women, realizing the extreme cases that you're afraid of are very rare. Especially if you meet women in real life and not online.

It's hard to find the right balance between:
being aware of female nature and human nature so that you are not blindsided by BPD girls;
And becoming paranoid + jaded that every woman is Amber Heard or Jada Pinkett-Smith

I’ve had more negative experiences with women in person than I had when I was online.
 

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Cope. I do have a recent text exchange with a chick I ended up making out with but wasn't able to get out again, that I'll post for educational purposes. My own fault for going too direct ("can get away with anything"), only because I had a pua friend asking me for examples of texting sexually direct to post up on YouTube. While I only had boring "logistics texting" on my phone at the time.
just because a girl made out with you doesn't mean she likes you.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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But, I have noticed this forum seems to have attracted an increasing number of black pillers and incels. It is frustrating to me because it seems almost no one is interested in advice on how to succeed and would prefer to rant and complain instead.
There is too many snowflakes these days... (Millennials, Gen Z hint hint...)

People love to complain instead of taking action because it is way easier than hold yourself accountable and change yourself which requires that you are willing to pay the price which sadly many isn't willing to do.
So they complain and moan instead.


 
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You makeout with girls your not attracted to?
I make out with girl I find physically attractive enough for me, doesn't mean I'm crushing on them or I like them.

When you see strangers making out with eachother in the club it's not like they like eachother lol their strangers, they just find eachother cute or whatever, or their horny.

Just because I think she's cute doesn't mean I "like" her.

Yeah I would fvck her but doesn't mean I like her, come on now, this is basic high school sh!t.
 
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"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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When you see strangers making out with eachother in the club it's not like they like eachother lol their strangers, they just find eachother cute or whatever, or their horny.

Just because I think she's cute doesn't mean I "like" her.

Yeah I would fvck her but doesn't mean I like her, come on now, this is basic high school sh!t.
Ok so the chick in @espanish report, despite not liking him, would've fvcked him in spite of that (whatever your definition of "liking" someone is) then.
 

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Ok so the chick in @espanish report, despite not liking him, would've fvcked him in spite of that (whatever your definition of "liking" someone is) then.
I didn't kno sex only happens when 2 people like eachother lol

You never fvcked a girl you didn't like ?

I forgot what site I was on, nevermind
 

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You never fvcked a girl you didn't like ?
I've only fvcked girls I've been physically attracted to. There are some I regret the night after (beer goggles). But at the time under the influence, I was physically attracted.

If by "liking" you mean personality wise? Well then see my response on this thread

 

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I've only fvcked girls I've been physically attracted to. There are some I regret the night after (beer goggles). But at the time under the influence, I was physically attracted.

If by "liking" you mean personality wise? Well then see my response on this thread

Physical attraction is different from romantic attraction.

Physical attraction is superficial for the most part and fades pretty easily.

When she's crushing on you is different and much more sustainable.

If She's physically attracted to you then she will make out, sex ect but she doesn't like you on a deeper level, intimate level, you're just a hot guy she hooked up with.
 

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unless of course these girls are not attracted to you
Physical attraction is different from romantic attraction.
By "not attracted to you", in the first quote, then your speaking of romantic attraction. Not physical attraction. Of which I'm talking about. And what @espanish's girl felt towards him. Your saying if she was romantically attracted to him rather that just physically attracted to him, she'd look past his creepy comment.

To me this is just a rephrasing of the "high interest" (romantic attraction)/"low interest" (physical attraction) talk that goes on here.

As I've talked about before, high interest from girls above my SMV is very rare (I'm talking about legit 9s being in love with him upon first glance). It's mostly medium interest. Meaning what I say or do can screw things up with them. Luckily, as experience has shown me time and time again, physical attraction can be gateway drug to romantic attraction.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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