"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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She wants a second public date before coming to my place.

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Some girls just play the power game and that's all it is to them when it comes to sex as they use it for control and power. But there are quality girls that merely have certain self defense mechanisms that has worked well for them in screening bad guys and staying out of trouble. This seems to be the latter. Good Luck OP. :up:
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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Yeah I am as well and like trying out fun new recipes and making stuff from scratch...

Women have told me how sexy they think it is watching me cook and when I give them instructions on what to do as my kitchen assistant, etc...

Plus it gives ample opportunities to do fun flirty things like grabbing their butts and sneaking up behind them and kissing their neck, etc...

Have only had maybe 1 or 2 instances of cooking dinner with a woman that didn't end up with us fvcking afterwards...
Totally agree man. Plenty of ways to get flirty and handsy while cooking with them. I actually picked that tip up from you a while back on here to have her cook with you. Since then I have definitely enjoyed doing that. One of the best tips I have gotten on here.
 

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Some girls just play the power game and that's all it is to them when it comes to sex as they use it for control and power. But there are quality girls that merely have certain self defense mechanisms that has worked well for them in screening bad guys and staying out of trouble. This seems to be the latter. Good Luck OP. :up:
I agree man! She doesn't seem to be doing it in a biitchy way or to exert some power over me. She definitely seems quality and worth the wait for date 3. Thanks buddy!
 

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Totally agree man. Plenty of ways to get flirty and handsy while cooking with them. I actually picked that tip up from you a while back on here to have her cook with you. Since then I have definitely enjoyed doing that. One of the best tips I have gotten on here.
Really good way of getting them to invest in you early on...it has paid many dividends for me over the years!
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Yeah I got the cooking tip back in the Roosh days. LOL

It has served me very well. :up:
 

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Most guys on this forum can’t keep chicks aground longer than a month.
Shame
What you suggested would be forcing and completely kill the vibe.
And how exactly would taking her back to his place after the date (which she begged for) instead of back to her place completely kill the vibe?

This babe wants to bone him and it also sounds like she is considering keeping him around after. There is no need to blow this.
This babe is a pro at working guys up then giving guys blue balls with that "I'm not that kind of girl (anymore)" spiel.
 

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I lived with a Drug dealer back in my chaotic days, and rest assured. Non quality/Married/Quality

they all got the pants down within 1 hour
Well you are talking about junkies here. Drugs will do that. Council housing estate in Birmingham?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Well you are talking about junkies here.
ALL women take coke, my point was even the "quality" women would let the dealer **** them.

There was me 10 years ago, thinking when woman 3 date ruled me, it was because she was virtuous

LOL
 

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Update:

Well, that went horribly guys. Not sure if I fuucked up. But here's how it went:

She came over, plenty of kino during the night, she was totally into it etc. After a few drinks, great convo, and dinner we are making out on the couch for a while and I try to progress things. Once again she stops me. We continue to sit and talk, occasional kino and escalation - but she again continues to stop things from progressing (sucking her tits at the most). At some point she asks me "so, how many girls do you have come over and cook for?" I responded "you're my first.." She rolled her eyes and laughed and said "come on, really?" I then said "you mean just this week? Or tonight?" She again laughed.

We cont. to make out then I call her a tease (not in an insulting way, I explain I meant I liked how she was teasing me, but I guess she took it like that) and she shuts down. Then she starts getting angry and saying the whole night has just been about sex and questioning my 'intentions', and all of this other BS.

She then says she should probably leave and at this point I'm so turned off and a little irritated that I agree. As she walks to the door and I go to walk her out she says "all you have been doing all night is groping me (which btw she was enjoying previously) and then you call me a tease. I am offended." She then storms out of my place.

Maybe I shouldn't of said those things or called her a 'tease'?

Idk guys.. to be honest I feel pretty shiity right now. Did I fuuck up or did I dodge a bullet and this chick is kind of crazy? IMO she was once again trying to power move me and when things finally escalated and it wasn't in her frame she decided to flip it on me and make me feel like a shallow creep only out to get one thing.. when the rest of the night was really fun.

What do you guys think? Just feeling crappy right now..
 

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That’s rough. I was dating a massage therapist a while back. She friend zoned me before we banged. Anyway I called her up and had this trip to Mexico planned with her. As soon as I made my romantic intentions clear, she got super angry, shamed me for having sexual desire towards her and blocked me on social media. It took a while to sort it out but I felt pretty ****ty for a couple days. Sorry it turned out that way. If nothing else, you’ll learn from the experience. I certainly did.
 

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Honestly, I don't think you did anything wrong. This woman is just playing BS games or just isn't that into you so she finds something to be faux outraged about when you try to escalate past a certain point. F her.

Delete her number and do not contact her again.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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That’s rough. I was dating a massage therapist a while back. She friend zoned me before we banged. Anyway I called her up and had this trip to Mexico planned with her. As soon as I made my romantic intentions clear, she got super angry, shamed me for having sexual desire towards her and blocked me on social media. It took a while to sort it out but I felt pretty ****ty for a couple days. Sorry it turned out that way. If nothing else, you’ll learn from the experience. I certainly did.
Thanks for sharing the story man. Yeah.. that's the best way to put it - she was like shaming me for wanting to escalate.
 

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Honestly, I don't think you did anything wrong. This woman is just playing BS games or just isn't that into you so she finds something to be faux outraged about when you try to escalate past a certain point. F her.

Delete her number and do not contact her again.
Good advice - thanks buddy! Honestly, this is the first chick since I filed for divorce that I've hooked up with that ended up being biitchy. Things she said on our first few dates are starting to add up though as red flags..
 

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Update:

Well, that went horribly guys. Not sure if I fuucked up. But here's how it went:

She came over, plenty of kino during the night, she was totally into it etc. After a few drinks, great convo, and dinner we are making out on the couch for a while and I try to progress things. Once again she stops me. We continue to sit and talk, occasional kino and escalation - but she again continues to stop things from progressing (sucking her tits at the most). At some point she asks me "so, how many girls do you have come over and cook for?" I responded "you're my first.." She rolled her eyes and laughed and said "come on, really?" I then said "you mean just this week? Or tonight?" She again laughed.

We cont. to make out then I call her a tease (not in an insulting way, I explain I meant I liked how she was teasing me, but I guess she took it like that) and she shuts down. Then she starts getting angry and saying the whole night has just been about sex and questioning my 'intentions', and all of this other BS.

She then says she should probably leave and at this point I'm so turned off and a little irritated that I agree. As she walks to the door and I go to walk her out she says "all you have been doing all night is groping me (which btw she was enjoying previously) and then you call me a tease. I am offended." She then storms out of my place.

Maybe I shouldn't of said those things or called her a 'tease'?

Idk guys.. to be honest I feel pretty shiity right now. Did I fuuck up or did I dodge a bullet and this chick is kind of crazy? IMO she was once again trying to power move me and when things finally escalated and it wasn't in her frame she decided to flip it on me and make me feel like a shallow creep only out to get one thing.. when the rest of the night was really fun.

What do you guys think? Just feeling crappy right now..

Forgot to mention. The part I also see a little more clearly now too is the fact that she kept bringing up throughout the night sex, lingerie, kept saying "you really get me going", "this isn't good because you're turning me on", etc., and being handsy and flirty all night too then tries to make me feel bad for making a move.

This girl literally was a tease, and then got offended when I called her out on it in a flirty tone. She's trouble and would likely just be biitchy about more things and was purposely fuucking with me as a power move.

Wonder if she gets her kicks doing this to guys?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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