"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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Should I drop my main plate?(UPDATE: Dropped)

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As of right now I haven't heard from her today. If I don't it will be the first time since we started messaging that I haven't gotten a text on a day.

She messaged me yesterday wishing me a Happy Valentines Day and telling me about her son's hockey game, etc and I responded 3 or 4 hours later teasing her about only getting a text and no flowers and a box of chocolates.

I think at this point I am just going to take a little break from her and see what happens.
She's upset you didn't ask her out for Valentine's Day is my guess unless you already told her that you had other engagements. You still need to S&D but my guess is that is what this is about.
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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I'm a human. A human who believes those types of labels are derogatory
"Man" and "woman" is derogatory? I ask because the advice you are giving in this thread is either that you are a chick or hardcore blue pill. I am genuinely curious and not judging you at all.
 

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It is possible she is seeing someone else or at least talking with someone else I guess. She has very little time to actually meet up tho due to her having her kids and with the amount of stress she is under at work and her kid starting up hockey and having to go to games on the days when she would normally be free I find it hard to see how she would.

But like I said, it is possible.

I guess the thing that irks me a little is that we live under 10 minutes from each other. How busy can a person really be that they can't see someone that close? At some point it just means they don't want to or aren't willing to.
And how would you feel if she is dating someone else?
 

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She's upset you didn't ask her out for Valentine's Day is my guess unless you already told her that you had other engagements. You still need to S&D but my guess is that is what this is about.
I don't feel that really...I mean we were going to meet up this past Thursday and she had work stuff to deal with. Sunday is not a day she has free to meet up so that wouldn't be it.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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"Man" and "woman" is derogatory? I ask because the advice you are giving in this thread is either that you are a chick or hardcore blue pill. I am genuinely curious and not judging you at all.
Oh gosh the "pill thing" ...calling a woman a plate is disrespectful. What are men "saucers" "teacups".. btw im a white pill.
 

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I'm a human. A human who believes those types of labels are derogatory
You are entitled to your beliefs - no differently than we are also entitled to our beliefs. If our use of slang bothers you, there's always loveshack. I believe I can speak for most when I say that we didn't join this site to make you feel good. We joined to help our fellow brothers.
 

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I don't feel that really...I mean we were going to meet up this past Thursday and she had work stuff to deal with. Sunday is not a day she has free to meet up so that wouldn't be it.
I don't know brother. Women care about these type of things. And I have had women specifically say "oh don't worry about X I am not worried about it because I have to do Y anyway." And then get burned because I didn't do X. Maybe you are right but if you didn't do anything for Valentine's Day (especially if she thinks she is the ONLY woman you are seeing as you seem to think she does) I bet this rubbed her the wrong way after 5 months.
 

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I always assume unless we have had a discussion about being exclusive with each other that it's fair game so I can't really say anything if she is.
You have to decide what you are looking for. If she does mean something to you, then have that talk. Whats the worst that could happen, you think you'll push her away. You don't control that. If she cares or has an interest nothing would push her away. If she goes then she wasn't LTR as people say on here... material
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Oh gosh the "pill thing" ...calling a woman a plate is disrespectful. What are men "saucers" "teacups".. btw im a white pill.
It really is no more disrespectful than things women say on women's forums about men. They're just words -- slang as @Black Widow Void put it. You still haven't answered the question and that is fine. I am going to assume you are a woman because it makes a lot of sense. You are coming on here to "challenge" all of us on our views and lingo.
 

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You are entitled to your beliefs - no differently than we are also entitled to our beliefs. If our use of slang bothers you, there's always loveshack. I believe I can speak for most when I say that we didn't join this site to make you feel good. We joined to help our fellow brothers.
Okay "dainty teacup".. is it ok that i call you that? Teacup?
 

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It really is no more disrespectful than things women say on women's forums about men. They're just words -- slang as @Black Widow Void put it. You still haven't answered the question and that is fine. I am going to assume you are a woman because it makes a lot of sense. You are coming on here to "challenge" all of us on our views and lingo.
I'm a "cast iron frying pan" yeah that's my label
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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@Back in the game i think @Barrister has hit the nail on the head about Valentines Day. Her feelings for you have taken a dive after that. You've got to remember they say one thing but what they are thinking is another story. Hard to proceed from here.
You really need to work out what you want, if you want her then talk to her. If you don't really care either way then proceed as you are but don't let it affect you, i know easier said than done.
 

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It really is no more disrespectful than things women say on women's forums about men. They're just words -- slang as @Black Widow Void put it. You still haven't answered the question and that is fine. I am going to assume you are a woman because it makes a lot of sense. You are coming on here to "challenge" all of us on our views and lingo.
Not challenging, voicing an opinion like everyone else.
 

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@Back in the game i think @Barrister has hit the nail on the head about Valentines Day. Her feelings for you have taken a dive after that. You've got to remember they say one thing but what they are thinking is another story. Hard to proceed from here.
You really need to work out what you want, if you want her then talk to her. If you don't really care either way then proceed as you are but don't let it affect you, i know easier said than done.
I honestly don't think that is it.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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