"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Being fun and exciting doesn't make you Chad.
maybe not, but it is on her head, the idea of chad is woman getting "fun" with guys who she belive it will go nowhere save for sex and fun.

what she is looking for now is having the marriage status, don't matter who, anyone who marry her will be in a world of hurt, and that is not rare
 

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I think the "VERY marriage oriented" guy takes everything too seriously, sucks the fun out of everything. He probably could have been fun and exciting while also wanting to marry at some point, but it seems that type of man is rare these days. Like the unicorn of men.

She made the wrong choice, she settled with a simp because her biological clock is ticking. He also made the wrong choice, regarding a woman as "the one", taking it too seriously, forgetting to have fun and picking a woman who he in all likelihood won't be able to keep.

She would never settle with him if it wasn't for her feeling the pressure to have children. He would probably settle for anything due to his brainwashing about how important marriage is.
 

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Even they don't know what they want. What chance have we got, honestly?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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When I read this story, what impresses me the most is that this is occurring in 2020, when a lot of unattached, single people are feeling imprisoned, due to the COVID restrictions. COVID restrictions hit single and unattached people hardest because public places are essential in the relational formation stage. The fact that she was able to have sex with 2-3 different men in 4 months in 2020 is a telling sign. However, a lot of the marrieds and established couples are wasting their advantage, as divorce rates appear to be on the rise and many non-marital established couples are breaking up.

what she is looking for now is having the marriage status, don't matter who, anyone who marry her will be in a world of hurt, and that is not rare
She made the wrong choice, she settled with a simp because her biological clock is ticking. He also made the wrong choice, regarding a woman as "the one", taking it too seriously, forgetting to have fun and picking a woman who he in all likelihood won't be able to keep.

She would never settle with him if it wasn't for her feeling the pressure to have children. He would probably settle for anything due to his brainwashing about how important marriage is.
I agree that both people are making the wrong choice. A lot of women around age 30 want to get married, especially if their social circle has had a lot of marriages lately.

The guy in question is a thirsty guy. He's thirsty for both the sex and the status of being married. A lot of late Gen X (1977-1981) and 1980s born Millennial guys (this guy was likely born in the late 1980s) who saw their Boomer parents buck the Boomer trend and have successful marriages expect to be a married guy themselves. These late Gen X guys and earlier Millennial guys saw their parents were married before 25-27, and once they get to 27 or so and are unmarried, they feel out of place, especially if some of their friends have gotten married. This is a real beta/blue pill thing, but it happens.

Looking into my crystal ball, I see the future:

Marriage
2 kids
7 to 10 years later: Divorce Rape

And the divorce lawyers lived happily ever after.
Likely what would happen.
 

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Gentleman, lets get one thing straight:

The Wall, has nothing to do with her, it has to do with us... When WE turn 29, we enter our prime, mainly because this is the age, where we can socially acceptably date out of the best dating pools, 18-29 and 29-39... The Wall, is the idea, of her now having to compete with the rest of your new options.

She wants, simply, what she cannot compete to get... You see her desire to just have a simple attachment to the unobtainable, over a whole life with the obtainable?

Spinning Plates, to me, is about crafting an unobtainable mindset and we can see that power on display here.
 

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now that life's been fvcked outta her, she wants to be dead wood for some poor sap
she's on the other side, the lifeless side, so there's no turning back, she has to make concessions and be used (even more now)
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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The Wall, has nothing to do with her, it has to do with us... When WE turn 29, we enter our prime, mainly because this is the age, where we can socially acceptably date out of the best dating pools, 18-29 and 29-39... The Wall, is the idea, of her now having to compete with the rest of your new options.
The wall is a concept that had more applicability in the pre-internet and pre-apps era than now for women. Women still generate a ton of interest in their so-called wall years. There are average looking women in their mid-30s to mid-40s now who can date multiple men simultanously from using swipe apps. They might not get committment and they may not have children, but they have plenty of companionship and sex. This might not be enough to make them happy, but they are usually have more quantity of options than the typical man of a similar age.

A 29 year old man will typically be able to date 18-28s, though he may struggle with 18-22s. The older you are and the bigger the age gap, the more excellent you have to be. A 35 year old man has to be a top tier 35 year old man to date a 22 year old, but he can be more ordinary and date a 34 year old. It's still a lot of competition even for a 35 year old man to date a 34 year old, especially if his primary means of meeting women is swipe apps.

If she wants marriage and a family she needs to get with the program quick, because once she hits 30 the quality of man that she can attract is going to reduce with every passing year.
Perfectly said!

She’s headed towards anti anxiety medicine.
she hammered down three more guys just to run her experiment. Hahaha
triple digits soon.
She may already be on anti-anxiety meds. She is going to be unhappy with that #3 commitment minded guy.
 

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The wall is a concept that had more applicability in the pre-internet and pre-apps era than now for women. Women still generate a ton of interest in their so-called wall years. There are average looking women in their mid-30s to mid-40s now who can date multiple men simultanously from using swipe apps. They might not get committment and they may not have children, but they have plenty of companionship and sex. This might not be enough to make them happy, but they are usually have more quantity of options than the typical man of a similar age.

A 29 year old man will typically be able to date 18-28s, though he may struggle with 18-22s. The older you are and the bigger the age gap, the more excellent you have to be. A 35 year old man has to be a top tier 35 year old man to date a 22 year old, but he can be more ordinary and date a 34 year old. It's still a lot of competition even for a 35 year old man to date a 34 year old, especially if his primary means of
Im curious why you felt the need to post this? I see no assertion that I am wrong in my claims, yet you just outlining unnecessary nuance?
 

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Gentleman, lets get one thing straight:

The Wall, has nothing to do with her, it has to do with us... When WE turn 29, we enter our prime, mainly because this is the age, where we can socially acceptably date out of the best dating pools, 18-29 and 29-39... The Wall, is the idea, of her now having to compete with the rest of your new options.

She wants, simply, what she cannot compete to get... You see her desire to just have a simple attachment to the unobtainable, over a whole life with the obtainable?

Spinning Plates, to me, is about crafting an unobtainable mindset and we can see that power on display here.
I'm going to disagree with this(primarily the statement in bold) as females around that age do go through biological changes and not for the better either. Men can delay those biological changes well into our 40's.
Now if you want to split hairs or if it's merely about semantics on what your definition of hitting the wall is, then your idea would also be a valid one as well.
 

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She's having trouble transitioning into the phase where she gets less attention from men and has to start doing things for herself.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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I'm going to disagree with this(primarily the statement in bold) as females around that age do go through biological changes and not for the better either. Men can delay those biological changes well into our 40's.
Now if you want to split hairs or if it's merely about semantics on what your definition of hitting the wall is, then your idea would also be a valid one as well.
Define biological changes... In Context to being 29, which is in context to the thread.
 

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Define biological changes... In Context to being 29, which is in context to the thread.
Them getting fatter(slower metabolism), starting to look older(youthful look going away due to less collagen production), less flexible, get sore more easily, hormonal issues(losing sleep, pms, cramping makes them look worse), some start getting grey hair at that age, etc...
 

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Them getting fatter(slower metabolism), starting to look older(youthful look going away due to less collagen production), less flexible, get sore more easily, hormonal issues(losing sleep, pms, cramping makes them look worse), some start getting grey hair at that age, etc...
The hormones ill agree with you on, but they can supplement the rest and they do.
 

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The wall for women is much softer than we think it is. The typical 35 year old childless single women has more options than most men near her age and childless can imagine. She might not be getting hit on as much in person at 35 as she was at 25, but she still has a charmed existance.

Men don't have a wall. However, I think a lot of men overestimate how in demand they'll be in their 30s and 40s. The typical 40 year old man is not attracting 25 year old women. The typical 40 year old man is scavenging for women close to his own age.
 
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