Changing the Date: Sh*t Test or am I Overreacting?

[nicksaiz65]

I'll keep this brief. I've always wondered about this but I never really bothered to make a thread about it. Would the girl changing the date or time be considered a sh*t test? I told this girl to come meet me at a bar and grab some drinks. She replied "I'm actually really hungover rn and feel like sh*t, but how about tomorrow?" Sure that's a counteroffer, which is good. But is that a sh*t test? I'm worried that if this is a test and I fail it, she'll be like "Something came up" the next day because I failed. I've heard some people say that this is a sh*t test because you're losing control of the frame when you let her change the date, or time of the date for that matter. I realize things do come up, but I don't want to fail a sh*t test. So is this a test or am I just overreacting?

 

[Alvafe]

problems I see it, you are afraid of a girl you don't know, she already was drinking the night before, and still having over at night? I bet a lie, I would say I was busy next night and try something else in 2 weeks, course main rule here is, not lieing about it, you really be busy with something

going more deeep now, why you are afraid of "failing" a girl sh!t test? she was the one supose to fear wasting her chance with you, and not you are not losing frame because she is changing the date time, you are losing frame because you are afraid of her, and worse, you don't even notice

 

[nicksaiz65]

problems I see it, you are afraid of a girl you don't know, she already was drinking the night before, and still having over at night? I bet a lie, I would say I was busy next night and try something else in 2 weeks, course main rule here is, not lieing about it, you really be busy with something

going more deeep now, why you are afraid of "failing" a girl sh!t test? she was the one supose to fear wasting her chance with you, and not you are not losing frame because she is changing the date time, you are losing frame because you are afraid of her, and worse, you don't even notice

I'm just trying to make my Game so tight that it's crazy, and I've realized that I fail too many sh*t tests. I care more about the game lesson(being able to identify and pass these tests) than the girl haha. I was confused because yes that is a counteroffer, but at the same time I feel like it may be a Frame Control/Availability Test? I'm not sure.

 

[Alvafe]

I'm just trying to make my Game so tight that it's crazy, and I've realized that I fail too many sh*t tests. I care more about the game lesson(being able to identify and pass these tests) than the girl haha. I was confused because yes that is a counteroffer, but at the same time I feel like it may be a Frame Control/Availability Test? I'm not sure.

again who the fuc|< cares? there is not 100% no mistakes, you do what you feel you should do, don't be desperate, and have more girls on rotation

 

[Plinco]

I'll keep this brief. I've always wondered about this but I never really bothered to make a thread about it. Would the girl changing the date or time be considered a sh*t test? I told this girl to come meet me at a bar and grab some drinks. She replied "I'm actually really hungover rn and feel like sh*t, but how about tomorrow?" Sure that's a counteroffer, which is good. But is that a sh*t test? I'm worried that if this is a test and I fail it, she'll be like "Something came up" the next day because I failed. I've heard some people say that this is a sh*t test because you're losing control of the frame when you let her change the date, or time of the date for that matter. I realize things do come up, but I don't want to fail a sh*t test. So is this a test or am I just overreacting?

Tell her that you are doing something that day and set up another day, or ask her what her schedule is like and set up a time. If she backs out again next her.

 

[nicksaiz65]

again who the fuc|< cares? there is not 100% no mistakes, you do what you feel you should do, don't be desperate, and have more girls on rotation

What I feel? I agree with Roosh V, I think that a counteroffer is a pretty good outcome. If she had zero interest I don't think she would even suggest another day.

Also I realize that this is basic, but telling her "Come meet me here at x time" or "How about we meet at x for y" seems to be way more effective than "Wanna hang out" lol. It's just more masculine and keeps it within your frame more I think.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Tell her that you are doing something that day and set up another day, or ask her what her schedule is like and set up a time. If she backs out again next her.

What would you say if she tried to change the time of the date? Some people say you have to firmly stick to it to stay in frame but idk if I agree with that or not... Seems a bit extreme imo

 

[Plinco]

What would you say if she tried to change the time of the date? Some people say you have to firmly stick to it to stay in frame but idk if I agree with that or not... Seems a bit extreme imo

What I am saying is, that you should react with indifference to her canceling on you; say "okay. I've got something planned (idk... "hanging out with some friends"). How about later this week?" If she makes plans and cancels on you again then she's not into you.

 

[nicksaiz65]

What I am saying is, that you should react with indifference to her canceling on you; say "okay. I've got something planned (idk... "hanging out with some friends"). How about later this week?" If she makes plans and cancels on you again then she's not into you.

Cool. I think I'd call an Availability Trap more like you met up with her on Tuesday and then she asks to hang out again on Wednesday. That I wouldn't accept because it's obviously a trap lol.

 

[Plinco]

Yeah. If you accepted on that day she will read it that you are too available and that you are chasing her. It could be a sht test, or maybe she's telling the truth. Either way boundaries need to be set and you are in demand)

 

[nicksaiz65]

Yeah. If you accepted on that day she will read it that you are too available and that you are chasing her. It could be a sht test, or maybe she's telling the truth. Either way boundaries need to be set and you are in demand)

And as soon as you fail that test she'll be like "something came up" and cancel on you lol

 

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[DEEZEDBRAH]

What I feel? I agree with Roosh V, I think that a counteroffer is a pretty good outcome. If she had zero interest I don't think she would even suggest another day.

Also I realize that this is basic, but telling her "Come meet me here at x time" or "How about we meet at x for y" seems to be way more effective than "Wanna hang out" lol. It's just more masculine and keeps it within your frame more I think.

A counter offer is ideal mpre then maybe. I wouldn't take her 1st offer. Too available and agreeable equated to dry *****. Think compliance. I found statements > questions. Furthermore, her willingness to follow your lead is indicative to her interest level.

I lead she follows or next. Repeat. Always repeat.

 

[dude99]

I'll keep this brief. I've always wondered about this but I never really bothered to make a thread about it. Would the girl changing the date or time be considered a sh*t test? I told this girl to come meet me at a bar and grab some drinks. She replied "I'm actually really hungover rn and feel like sh*t, but how about tomorrow?" Sure that's a counteroffer, which is good. But is that a sh*t test? I'm worried that if this is a test and I fail it, she'll be like "Something came up" the next day because I failed. I've heard some people say that this is a sh*t test because you're losing control of the frame when you let her change the date, or time of the date for that matter. I realize things do come up, but I don't want to fail a sh*t test. So is this a test or am I just overreacting?

Could be a s#it test. Could just be a counter offer. Make her work for it. If she works for it , it will raise her interest level and she will chase you. If you just go with it she will ghost you. Example:

You "come and meet me at bla bla bla."

Her "im actually hung over right now and ....bla blah...how about tomorrow."

You "shame. Tomorrow doesnt work. Ive got a date already. Another time then."

Her "so when can i see you again?"

You "ill be in touch. Gotta run for now."

Then give it a week. If she is interested she will reach out before that.

 

[nicksaiz65]

A counter offer is ideal mpre then maybe. I wouldn't take her 1st offer. Too available and agreeable equated to dry *****. Think compliance. I found statements > questions. Furthermore, her willingness to follow your lead is indicative to her interest level.

I lead she follows or next. Repeat. Always repeat.

100% agree that statements are better.
Come out and shoot some pool with me > How about we hang out and shoot some pool > Wanna hang out and shoot some pool

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

100% agree that statements are better.
Come out and shoot some pool with me > How about we hang out and shoot some pool > Wanna hang out and shoot some pool

You hear, 'seed the pull' beat to death in pickup but, this herein lies what the **** this means. The presumption being, she's coming, and you feed her date, time location etc. A example, a chick was being a attention *****, and i just texted my location followed by, "come pick me up."

No specifics. Just location, emphasis on NOW, STATEMENT OF INTENT, and alpha as ****kkk. I could almost hear her getting moist on the other end of the phone. She comes and gets me. Not my wife. Not my girl. My turn. Lulz

Currently, she's a single white mom weighing in at 300lbs long before her 24th bday. Disgusting human being.

Well aware JB got kicked off planet earth + 5 country ban. Saw him before the **** storm. Dude is a barbarian getting baaaaaes. To date, the best I've seen IRL.

The chick at the end of the video is prime example for internalising 'rejection.' i opened a set on two beginning a jogg.

Cucks would ask, did it work? Lololol

Its again about cultivation of Being that guy. JB, get better not bitter is so MONEY. TM Death meditation is beast mode.

Set metric to do your part. Outcomes are outside your control.

 

[nicksaiz65]

Op your game is completely backwards.

Instead of calibrating to women, you should set some principles on how you expect women to act and have them calibrate to you.

I'm not worried about passing her tests, she has to worry about meeting my standards.

This frame reversal is how you get women to live in your reality.

My goal is not to seduce women. My goal is to mold and shape them. They were meant to be shaped by strong masculine men.

My goal is to mold my environment. Everyones frame is like quicksand. It only appears solid. The strongest frame imposes its will onto reality.

I don't know who taught you game but what you are doing right now is called microcalibration. You are trying to calibrate to every possible scenario in pickup (there's almost an infinite amount). By the time you reach 90% calibration, it would be 10 years...and here's the kicker - women would have changed! Lol.

Have you noticed that game from 2010 doesn't work anymore?

All pua game is compensating for the inability to have women live in your frame.

Who says women are the testers? Who says women are the choosers? These are supplicating thoughts. A powerful man makes women submit to his masculine dominance and he reshapes them.

If you are not being dominant and shaping women, you are no doing anything of consequence. Your entire game is completely inconsequential. At best she is using you for entertainment until a masculine man shows up and puts her in her proper place.

That sounds like a complete reversal of all the PUA Tactics I know, how would you go about executing a game like that? Being social and having a presence first of all. But is that just where the Self Improvement comes in?