For the more, um, Mature among us...the dreaded ED!

[daproest1]

The other thing is, what happened to natural ageing? I’d rather just stop having sex than have to jack up testosterone.

Perhaps I’d feel different at 50, but at 50 I’m likely to be very much tied up with being a dad rather than being a stud. In my 30s now sex has gone from my no 1 concern to no 4 or 5 . I honestly don’t care if my drive diminishes. It’s what happens when you get older.

Perhaps if no side effects I’d give it a try, just seems a little OTT to start mainlining androgens.

It’s why I never took steroids when I was lifting a lot, am I really going to screw with my endocrine system for a crumb of female attention? Steroid abusers to me seem like the male equivalent of bimbos getting tit jobs etc.

Perhaps if I got divorced and wanted a new partner.....I’d possibly need some T as you can’t really have a new relationship with no drive...but if I’m still with my wife and at 50 my drive is quite low compared to now, I’d just expect her to accept I’m getting old, like she is no longer the hot 20 something she was, and gracefully age and accept youth is a memory, not something to cling on to.

Good luck with that hopeful thinking. D*ck, good d*ck... keeps women happy and not b*tchy. There are little to no side effects if you’re using a replacement dose. Anywhere from 140-200mgs a week is fine. Once you pass 250-300mgs you’re basically on steroids. Although there have been studies proving that anything up to 600mgs a week is safe. But that’s an insane amount. Doctors are legally allowed to prescribe up to 400mgs a week. I take 200. Does is split 100 twice a week to keep blood levels stable. Not only have I not had any side effects at all, but my health markers have all improved. C-reactive protein (total body inflammation) dropped, significantly. Fasted insulin and fasted glucose levels dropped (better glucose metabolism thus preventing type 2 diabetes). The list goes on and on. I’m 31. My only regret is not starting sooner. Starting looking into it when I was 28. Taught myself the entire endocrine system and the way it works... studying a little every day for about 2 years. Had to, since most doctors have no idea how hormones work and I wasn’t going to leave my health up to speculation and guessing. A lot of doctors have that god complex. Anyway I finally took the plunge (pun intended) when I was 30.

HCG every other day to keep the testicles going in case u ever want to come off (pituitary turns back on right away but the testicles usually take a while if you let them atrophy). Plus it mimics LH so it fills all the LH receptors which wouldnt happen if you were just taking test alone. No more belly. Better sex drive. Better brain. More drive/ambition. Etc etc.

There’s phytoestrogens in our food, plastic, and drinking water. Thus causing our test levels to drop sooner than they should. You can age well or poorly. The choice is yours. I chose the former. Everyone’s different. You may not need it. I did. Before I was moody, irritable, and quite frankly kind of a d*ck. Now that I’ve been on... I’m better (and healthier) all around.

But regardless of all this, my only point was that her guy is doing it wrong if he’s taking an injection every 2 weeks. His doctor doesn’t know what he’s doing.

Oh, one last thing... other people here have mentioned raising it naturally. Some of the things mentioned really do work. I’ve been lifting since I was a teenager. And I tried all the natural ways first. Gave me maybe an extra 50-100 points. Clinical benefits don’t really start until you’re at 800. My natural levels were 324 at first (when I first checked at 29 years old). Then I raised em to 400 naturally. Tried a little harder and got em to 410. That was about it. But my FREE testosterone (the stuff your body actually uses) stayed at the very low end of the spectrum. 9.1. Scale is 9-28.

A lot of this has to do with stress, where you live, etc etc.

 

[daproest1]

You’re on test at 30?

You live somewhere where doctors are making money off of you.

No man, unless he is seriously unwell, needs TRT at 30.

One of my friends is losing his life and sanity to diazepam withdrawal, another joy of big pharmaceutical.

No doctor in the UK in his right mind would prescribe testosterone for a man of 30 in anything but a serious medical condition. Sorry, but your doctors are salespeople and not medical professionals.

I’ve struggled with drive at times but it’s because I’m fat and I don’t exercise. Prescribing TRT to a man of 30 is borderline criminal.

Read my response again. All of it. Slowly. I WAS unwell. It’s not criminal. The stigma attached to it is retarded and doctors are just scared and/or ignorant. Women take birth control (methylated steroids basically) in their teens. But men taking testosterone, which our body already makes, is criminal and unethical? Come on.

 

[daproest1]

Women take the pill to stop getting pregnant.

Test declines slowly with age. It’s called ageing.

I struggle with energy as I age. I’m considering starting a speed habit.

Yeah. Because.... Speed and what your testicles already make, which your body requires, is the same thing. See? Your low test levels are making you irrational. Like a woman. They also have low test levels lol Just look into it. Don’t take my word for it. I’m just a guy who basically became an endocrinologist without the degree just so I wouldn’t be ignorant on the matter. Like most are. But there are plenty of credible sources I can point you towards. There are books, medical studies, articles, the list goes on. I mean... you’re on the sosuave forum. Im assuming masculinity matters to you, look into it. Again, you may not need it. If my levels were at 500-600 (where they should be at 30) I wouldn’t have started. No doctor is hustling me. I drew bloods multiple times ON MY OWN thru labcorp before I ever even started looking for competent doctors.

And I already mentioned how all of my health markers improved. So I’m not sure why this is even a debate. I wonder if you’d give a diabetic this much backlash for taking insulin (which by the way is a million times more dangerous than testosterone ever will be).

 

[guru1000]

Here's the script:

1) Keep well hydrated (I drink at least one gallon of water a day). You do this to keep blood volume high and eliminate the potential V headache;

2) On days you need to perform, do a 30 min medium-paced cardio session (I usually do a mix of a light jog at 5 mph and fast walk at 4 mph). This primes your vessels to dilate, akin to warming up your engine;

3) One hour prior to the dirty deed, take a 100mg of Viagra (V);

4) Pop out 12 rounds over the next 24 hours like a champ for no reason other than because you can.

 

[guru1000]

100mg!!!

I take 25mg. Took 100mg once and it was carved out of stone.

Makes sense now. They always seem to be in pain. I just thought it was me.

 

[AbleDad]

Your concerns about propecia: https://www.webmd.com/sexual-condit...pecia-proscar-new-sexual-dysfunction-warnings. You Might want to stop taking it and see what comes up (so to speak). Sorry... couldn’t resist.

-Augustus-

I've used Propecia off-and-on over the years and decided to quit for good a couple months ago. I've never had ED, but I feel that I have a bit more of an edge when I don't have the poison in my system. Maybe it's psychological, but I trust my body more than I trust a drug company.

 

[daproest1]

200-300 and above if I remember correctly is not medically an issue.

Bodybuilders inject about 500-600 a week don’t they?

I don’t have an issue. I can father children. I can fvck. I get the urge about 3* a week now. Stress can put me off it a bit, but that’s just life.

I might even be swayed if it’s really a lot better, I just figure that humanity did ok for millions of years without injecting sex hormones.

Am I interested in masculity? Not really, I came here to have help with dating, which in a lot of cases didn’t work and just ended up making me a self interested and obsessed prick. In fact, when I gave up playing a game and just was myself, I did a lot better. There are other frames than high school jock, which is the main one which surfaces here, although a lot of advice is solid.

As far as I can see form google search, 300-1000 is normal. If yours weren’t under 300, you were normal. If you’re not at 500-600, then you just are naturally a bit lower test but not medically an issue. If it was sub 300 then you have a point and I apologise.

Normal for who? Define “normal”. That’s the thing. Those ranges are collected from ALL MEN. Which includes obese men, old men, sick men, etc etc. Do not go by the reference range. Our grandfathers and great grandfathers had much higher testosterone levels than we do. The world isn’t the same anymore. And getting “the urge” only 3 times a week.... quite frankly.... sucks.

This is literally a debate between a guy that knows nothing about hormones and a guy that knows everything about hormones. Do your own research. Or don’t if you’re not interested. Nobody’s telling you to do anything. Yes, bodybuilders take a LOT more than what I take. Not sure why you’re mentioning fathering children. Fertility has almost nothing to do with what I’m saying.

Again, the only reason I said anything is because BE’s guy’s doctor is not competent. An injection every 2 weeks is not ok. You’re using theories and personal opinions to back up your arguments, I’m using science based evidence, anecdotal evidence, and bloodwork to back up mine. I’m sure you’re an expert at a few things that I am not. I would not debate you on those topics unless I was 100% convinced I was right. Are you? If so, how come? The media? What you’ve heard?

Yes... for thousands of years we didn’t need to take anything. For thousands of years we lived and ate as men should live and eat. Can you honestly say that is still the case?

I don’t mean to come off like a jerk, but it’s frustrating that it’s been so demonized knowing what I know now. It’s like we’ve all been duped. Before I learned everything, I thought the same thing. Why do it? But knowing what I know now it’s like.... why NOT do it?

Think about it, symptoms include depression (there’s a drug for that), low libido (another drug for that), type 2 diabetes (there’s a drug for that), not enough sleep (there are drugs for that), the list goes on. But these can all be treated with ONE hormone. Think the main stream wants u to know that? Legally u can’t patent something that’s naturally occurring. Test is cheap. Those other drugs are not. That’s why they’ll try and patent delivery systems like androgel (which sucks). It’s a hell of a rabbit hole.

 

[speed dawg]

100mg!!!

I take 25mg. Took 100mg once and it was carved out of stone.

Wait....you are telling daproest1 NOT to get TRT but you are taking Viagra? Legit LOL.

Not only that but you are talking about being natural and normal. Yeah OK buddy.

I personally prefer not to do either but the point of this post is to show the hypocrite in which you are.

 

[BeExcellent]

If he’s getting injections “every COUPLE of weeks” he’s not doing it right. Tell him to find a different doctor. An endocrinologist that understands half lives. Not a urologist or a primary that knows nothing about hormones

Yup. Endocrine workup last week. VA so waiting on results. Also he changed to the T gel. More stable levels more energy, more frisky

 

[Spaz]

This is a complicated subject and I have a hypothesis but no back up studies to prove it.

This however doesn't apply to those with serious medical conditions.

When a man is stressed from work or being in a submissive mind frame he is more then likely to need meds for ED even at an early age of 30.

In terms of this site, men who are more predisposed to please women are more likely to face ED issues and will need viagra.

Whilst men who are more predisposed to just take and do as they please sexually with women has an unlikely need for it.

The pleaser is stressed to perform his best whilst the taker just takes as it pleases him.

2 different mindsets will yield 2 different results.

 

[daproest1]

Yup. Endocrine workup last week. VA so waiting on results. Also he changed to the T gel. More stable levels more energy, more frisky

Lol yeah cuz that stuff needs to be applied very day. Makes sense. Good. Enjoy it

 

[Mazer]

Propecia

 

[Crosstimbers Okie]

Ok guys, this is not for you young guys who can get wood at any time. This is for us who have alot of years on the clock. So for the first time in my lengthy existence I am going through a period of performance issues. And let me share this, it is rather devastating. Been with this woman a number of years. She is 20 years younger...and a redhead. Lately she is ready, but alas it is hit and miss for me. Tried generic little blue pill. Gave me a hell of a headache and not much else. Then tried a Cialis sample. Worked great in AM, but nothing the night before. So my question to the group, besides an implant (Where is Richard the frog when you need him!), has anyone had experience with anything else that can reliably give erection on demand? She has been cool about it but this sh*t needs to stop...or start I guess. And no I am not asking for a friend. Thanks in advance.

I experienced it at age 54. It can be defeated. Look for places like this. https://www.okiemensclinic.com/ They aren't cheap, but they can repair you. For me it's testosterone pellets installed every four months. In March my level was a little too high at 1253 total testosterone. Last week they took a half pint of blood from me because by blood was a little too thick, which causes circulation difficulty in small blood vessels such as those in the penis. It also puts you at risk for stroke. So, exercise and donate blood.

I also purchased the injections that get you hard and keep you that way for a couple of hours. I haven't needed them in a year or so. I used them occasionally for a few months when a strange thing happened, which the clinic told me would happen. These injections are like yoga for the penis. They cause it to become engorged with blood thereby stretching and exercising long underused tissues which strengthens them and improves circulation. I purchased 80 injections and still have 64 remaining. Now I use one maybe once a month on a weekend when I and my girlfriend want to engage in some marathon sex, and to keep everything stretched and working well.

 

[Tdawg]

Ok guys, this is not for you young guys who can get wood at any time. This is for us who have alot of years on the clock. So for the first time in my lengthy existence I am going through a period of performance issues. And let me share this, it is rather devastating. Been with this woman a number of years. She is 20 years younger...and a redhead. Lately she is ready, but alas it is hit and miss for me. Tried generic little blue pill. Gave me a hell of a headache and not much else. Then tried a Cialis sample. Worked great in AM, but nothing the night before. So my question to the group, besides an implant (Where is Richard the frog when you need him!), has anyone had experience with anything else that can reliably give erection on demand? She has been cool about it but this sh*t needs to stop...or start I guess. And no I am not asking for a friend. Thanks in advance.

LOL.....looks like I could've written this... I use cialis now but on the dlow so my wife don't know. Other than that, I blame it on whiskey ****. On top of mild ED issues (it can get hard without any pills but if i lose focus it gets softer) it's getting very tough to finish. So now, 75% of the time, I don't even ***. Wait til you get to that stage...fun fun!! NOT.

In any case, i've noticed cialis last for at least 24 hours. Try it again and see what happens. Also, I noticed that as I get older, my mind controls my **** more than anything else. When I was younger, it was all about touch and feel.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

LOL.....looks like I could've written this... I use cialis now but on the dlow so my wife don't know. Other than that, I blame it on whiskey ****. On top of mild ED issues (it can get hard without any pills but if i lose focus it gets softer) it's getting very tough to finish. So now, 75% of the time, I don't even ***. Wait til you get to that stage...fun fun!! NOT.

In any case, i've noticed cialis last for at least 24 hours. Try it again and see what happens. Also, I noticed that as I get older, my mind controls my **** more than anything else. When I was younger, it was all about touch and feel.

Tdawg. How is your:
1. Body fat %? Abs or gut?
2. Stress?
3. Drinking levels?
4. Fapping to porn?
5. Wife physique still turns you on?
6. Are you physically active?
7. Do you do traditional masculine activites such as hunting, fishing, fixing things, guns. etc?

In my life it is harder when i have stress piled on me or the wife or gf makes a bunch of hurdles to get the sex...

It works best if she always desires to please me and stays sexy. Bossy and controlling wives are boner killers.

 

[Tdawg]

Tdawg. How is your:
1. Body fat %? Abs or gut?
2. Stress?
3. Drinking levels?
4. Fapping to porn?
5. Wife physique still turns you on?
6. Are you physically active?
7. Do you do traditional masculine activites such as hunting, fishing, fixing things, guns. etc?

In my life it is harder when i have stress piled on me or the wife or gf makes a bunch of hurdles to get the sex...

It works best if she always desires to please me and stays sexy. Bossy and controlling wives are boner killers.

1. that's me in the picture. Always been lean and fit my whole life.
2. pretty much no stress for now. life can get hectic at work at times but home life is simple. Wife takes care of the house and kids and all I do is get to play with the kids and have fun with them.
3. I drink a pint of rum per night with coke but that goes from 7 pm - 10:00 pm
4. fap to porn probably once a week, used to be more but lately promised the wife I wouldn't after it started to get in between our sex life.
5. yes, wife is good to go in every way
6. yes, physically active with kids and gym
7. no, i don't have time for anything other than with family. Very few friends and hang out with the family mostly and work people.

wife makes no hurdles at all to get sex, she is ready to go whenever. I'm more of the problem. In our 14 yrs of marriage, I can't think of a single time where she has bitched or complained about me. Definitely not bossy or controlling; she is very feminine and girly.

My hands have been getting red lately, like blood is not getting there. I had it checked and my doctor said my veins are okay, but my capillaries are not good. He didn't seemed concerned though. I dont' know if that is the issue or it's just me getting older.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

1. that's me in the picture. Always been lean and fit my whole life.
2. pretty much no stress for now. life can get hectic at work at times but home life is simple. Wife takes care of the house and kids and all I do is get to play with the kids and have fun with them.
3. I drink a pint of rum per night with coke but that goes from 7 pm - 10:00 pm
4. fap to porn probably once a week, used to be more but lately promised the wife I wouldn't after it started to get in between our sex life.
5. yes, wife is good to go in every way
6. yes, physically active with kids and gym
7. no, i don't have time for anything other than with family. Very few friends and hang out with the family mostly and work people.

wife makes no hurdles at all to get sex, she is ready to go whenever. I'm more of the problem. In our 14 yrs of marriage, I can't think of a single time where she has bitched or complained about me. Definitely not bossy or controlling; she is very feminine and girly.

My hands have been getting red lately, like blood is not getting there. I had it checked and my doctor said my veins are okay, but my capillaries are not good. He didn't seemed concerned though. I dont' know if that is the issue or it's just me getting older.

Take out the pt of rum for three weeks. You wont die. Drink 1/2 your body weight ounces worth of water daily. So if you weigh 200lb drink 100oz. Im curious to how you perform with alcohol out the system.

Also suggest your wife occasionally initiate.

Alcohol cause whisky dyck on many of us. One pint is enough to cause it. Plus it decreases circulation and decreases free testosterone.

 

[Tdawg]

I hear ya and it's all great advice that I think is spot on. The problem is that I can't stop drinking. I tried a few time and was miserable. My whole family drinks, my mom, dad, brother...every night, more than me. They call me the"lightweight".

I look forward to my drink and hot tub run every night. It's how I relax. I even got my wife to join me so now made her an alcoholic...lol (which sucks for her and I feel bad but she enjoys herself as well and we get along great)

my wife is horrible at initiating and it's cringe worthy. Her idea of initiating is "so i guess we are never having sex again", or " so are we going to do it or not? or my personal favorite, "I guess your not attracted to me anymore". It's that bad. She's a girly girl type and thinks a man should be the one to initiate. I happen to agree.

 

[Mazer]

That is for hair loss, not ED

Yes sir. He mentioned he was on Propecia in one of his posts. It’s been proven to lower your libido and softer erections. Didn’t feel like writing it all out so I just posted the word Propecia assuming he would know what I was talking about. Lol. That stuff messes with your mojo.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I hear ya and it's all great advice that I think is spot on. The problem is that I can't stop drinking. I tried a few time and was miserable. My whole family drinks, my mom, dad, brother...every night, more than me. They call me the"lightweight".

I look forward to my drink and hot tub run every night. It's how I relax. I even got my wife to join me so now made her an alcoholic...lol (which sucks for her and I feel bad but she enjoys herself as well and we get along great)

my wife is horrible at initiating and it's cringe worthy. Her idea of initiating is "so i guess we are never having sex again", or " so are we going to do it or not? or my personal favorite, "I guess your not attracted to me anymore". It's that bad. She's a girly girl type and thinks a man should be the one to initiate. I happen to agree.

I was just saying for the three week experiment. Another thing to play with is add 3-5 days of at least 30 minutes of cardio to increase blood circulation.

On me even 1/2 pints makes my erections noticeably weaker.

If you cant do 3 weeks just try one. Im just curious in the difference in your "EQ" ( erection quality ).