"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Should I sleep with really ugly woman?

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I am an incel with pretty much no sexual experience. I am almost 26 but now a 45 year old ex-tweaker wants to hook up with me. Problem is that much like you guys are repulsed by fat chicks I am repulsed by older women (like 15 years older and more) plus I hate tweakers with the burning passion of a thousand dwarf stars. I am thinking though that I should just do this and get it over with. What do you guys say?
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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If I was in your position then absolutely

Far too many dudes with oneitis or hoping to land an 8+ from nothing

Never happens

Spin lower plates, gain experience, work your way up
Does that really work though? Will ****ing this tweaker lead to me banging a fat girl in her 20s (that's my idea of a 9)?
 

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Does that really work though? Will ****ing this tweaker lead to me banging a fat girl in her 20s (that's my idea of a 9)?
Who knows, maybe you should forget about having sex with this women who wants to sex with you and stay a virgin?
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Does that really work though? Will ****ing this tweaker lead to me banging a fat girl in her 20s (that's my idea of a 9)?

You (and everybody else who is too terrified to try) are thinking about this the wrong way.

They (and you) mistakenly believe that the act of sleeping with an ugly chick will lead DIRECTLY to sleeping with a hot chick.

Then they can't see PROOF in their mind of this, and decide against it.

This is a false idea to protect your terrified ego.

To prove this, imagine if you were relaxed, eyes closed, slightly buzzed, and the tweaker chick did ALL the work, starting with a slow, sensual massage etc, would you LET HER give you a handy or a hummer? Of course you would.

The way you go from ugly chick to hot chick is a VERY SLOW and lengthy process, taking a year or more.

The MAIN THING this will build is your confidence with women.

And no, you are NOT confident with tweakers and would sleep with them IF ONLY they were hot.

That is just an excuse.

Your confidence (and therefore game) is WEAK, even around tweaker chicks.

Building social skills takes TIME and consistent effort, like any other complicated collection of skills.

Kind of like slowly playing chopsticks and then over time, with a lot of practice, being able to play moonlight sonata.

But most people say, "Dude, you're saying if I play chopsticks, then I'll be able to play moonlight sonata? That doesn't make any sense!"

And they stay incels for the rest of their lives.
 

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I am an incel with pretty much no sexual experience. I am almost 26 but now a 45 year old ex-tweaker wants to hook up with me. Problem is that much like you guys are repulsed by fat chicks I am repulsed by older women (like 15 years older and more) plus I hate tweakers with the burning passion of a thousand dwarf stars. I am thinking though that I should just do this and get it over with. What do you guys say?
What’s the boner factor? Will you be able to get it up?
-Augustus-
 

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If I was in your position then absolutely

Far too many dudes with oneitis or hoping to land an 8+ from nothing

Never happens

Spin lower plates, gain experience, work your way up
This advice is well suited for you OP
 

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I am an incel with pretty much no sexual experience. I am almost 26 but now a 45 year old ex-tweaker wants to hook up with me. Problem is that much like you guys are repulsed by fat chicks I am repulsed by older women (like 15 years older and more) plus I hate tweakers with the burning passion of a thousand dwarf stars. I am thinking though that I should just do this and get it over with. What do you guys say?
Older women are gross.
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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I agree with starting low and working up, if you have to. If your in a sex slump, often the first lay will be the spark and once you get that then others will follow more easily. Women can smell a man who is desperate for sex. They can also smell a man who gets it regularly. Which do u think is more attractive to them? I rest my case.
 

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Bang her repeatedly for the experience. Keep her as a player. She can teach you things (I would hope) Just MAKE SURE you wrap it every time.
 

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I am an incel with pretty much no sexual experience. I am almost 26 but now a 45 year old ex-tweaker wants to hook up with me. Problem is that much like you guys are repulsed by fat chicks I am repulsed by older women (like 15 years older and more) plus I hate tweakers with the burning passion of a thousand dwarf stars. I am thinking though that I should just do this and get it over with. What do you guys say?
What about a Black or Asian girl?
 

“The 22 Psychological Triggers That Make Women Chase You… Starting Tonight”

Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.

I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.

Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules.  Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.

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No.

Don't do it. It will phuck up your psychology.

Go to some disco, pickup really average 5/10 girl your age, phuck her. Just get dressed well, drink a bit and hit on the chick that other guys don't hit at at that moment.

My first woman was 6/10 in looks and I consider it a good start to my sexual career.
Mine was a “5” I met online. A normal chick that I felt comfortable with. No regrets.
 

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Honestly speaking, I'd prefer to go 5/10 chick year earlier. Being late starter sucks.

Generally speaking, if guy can phuck 5/10 he SHOULD phuck 5/10 ASAP. ***** is a *****, first ***** carries knowledge and understanding of the world. Doesn't matter if it's 5/10, 6/10, 7/10, 8/10.

HOWEVER, 4/10 is a NO.

Because 4/10 means ugly. 5/10 and above is ok. It means experience w/o a hangover.
Precisely. I’ll catch some hate for saying this, but a decent 5 can actually be kinda cute. A 4 will make you gag and will almost certainly fail the boner test.
 

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5/10 woman in looks can be very satysfying in bed if she is young.

I understand guys that hesitate to phuck 5/10 for their first time. I also thought I'm too good for them when I was young myself but I need to mention I was stupid.

Young 5/10 body can be very satysfying. Just use condom and don't get into LTR and it's very good experience.
45 ain't young
 

"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"

When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.

Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.

Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.

The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.

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