In which part of Espi's advice is considered a beta move ?Creating drama with no gain is a beta move.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
In which part of Espi's advice is considered a beta move ?Creating drama with no gain is a beta move.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
not explaining the situation to the wife first...i.e. what Espi is recommending is good advice (alpha), provided the wife has been spoken to beforehand. Wife just may be stupid and not realizing that what she is doing is unacceptable. OP needs to give her one chance first. If, after being told that her actions are unacceptable, and she does it again, then follow Espi’s advice.In which part of Espi's advice is considered a beta move ?
There's no need to talk as women r not stupid.not explaining the situation to the wife first...i.e. what Espi is recommending is good advice (alpha), provided the wife has been spoken to beforehand. Wife just may be stupid and not realizing that what she is doing is unacceptable. OP needs to give her one chance first. If, after being told that her actions are unacceptable, and she does it again, then follow Espi’s advice.
I highly, HIGHLY doubt this. These women are not stupid. Very few people actually really are stupid.not explaining the situation to the wife first...i.e. what Espi is recommending is good advice (alpha), provided the wife has been spoken to beforehand. Wife just may be stupid and not realizing that what she is doing is unacceptable. OP needs to give her one chance first. If, after being told that her actions are unacceptable, and she does it again, then follow Espi’s advice.
She can FEEL the power and so can the waiter. The power from disrespecting you.There's no need to talk as women r not stupid.
In social settings, such as flirting, women are the undisputed champions and knows it.
She knows she has crossed a line that must not be crossed.
And Espi's suggestions is the ONLY move to counter her.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
How does she know this? Is she telepathic? Ok, fair enough I’ll give you that she knows she’s flirting, but how is she supposed to know that it’s unacceptable to OP unless he lets her know? There are many marriages where flirting with others is ok. I just don’t understand the grand, dramatic gesture right away. Save your firepower for when you’ve told her you’re not cool with it and she does it regardless. Sorry, it’s beta posturing to not let her know first.She knows she has crossed a line that must not be crossed.
This is not Star Wars, and these are not Jedis. There is no ‘force’ that they feel. They are just two people flirting with each other because they both require constant validation. If husband does not like it, he needs to let her know, and if she does it again, he needs to get up and leave without paying the bill.She can FEEL the power and so can the waiter. The power from disrespecting you.
They can feel it. Ask guru and some of the wiser men. They can feel emotions elevated more than normal and they can see you getting red/hot.This is not Star Wars, and these are not Jedis. There is no ‘force’. In the real world people need to communicate directly using words.
Road rage anger is not what I meant, I am very much a controlled person. If you read my post I refer to voicing how I feel. I also believe there is a point in time when you are required to and it up becauseShowing anger is not showing weakness...lettting your anger dictate your actions is what is weakness. Anger is a good motivator...when you are in the driver’s seat, and in control of your anger. With most hot heads however (think road rage), once the switch gets flipped, you run the risk of heading to one of the following destinations: fired, back of a cop car, emergency room, or worst case, morgue. Blowing up at wife and waiter in this situation will not solve OP’s problem.
The solution is OP needs to sit wife down and tell her “would you be ok if I started flirting with other women in front of you, and asking them where they will be, or for their contact info?” If wife says she is ok with it, then OP needs to ask himself if he is ok being in an open marriage. If not, he needs to tell wife that he does not accept that kind of behaviour, and that the next time she pulls that kind of disrespectful B.S, he is going to take it as a sign that she is no longer interested in being his wife. Wife will either never do it again, or will continue to do it, at which point OP is free to remove himself from a toxic situation. Not sure what yelling at wife achieves...most men with anger issues are fake alphas who are yelling at themselves because they know, deep down, that they are betas. They are mad because they lack the confidence to take initiative and go after what they want. OP, if you want to be married to a loyal woman who treats you with respect, then start taking steps towards that goal.
Where did I ever say anything about yelling at the wife or reacting in an out of control fit of rage?Showing anger is not showing weakness...lettting your anger dictate your actions is what is weakness. Anger is a good motivator...when you are in the driver’s seat, and in control of your anger. With most hot heads however (think road rage), once the switch gets flipped, you run the risk of heading to one of the following destinations: fired, back of a cop car, emergency room, or worst case, morgue. Blowing up at wife and waiter in this situation will not solve OP’s problem.
The solution is OP needs to sit wife down and tell her “would you be ok if I started flirting with other women in front of you, and asking them where they will be, or for their contact info?” If wife says she is ok with it, then OP needs to ask himself if he is ok being in an open marriage. If not, he needs to tell wife that he does not accept that kind of behaviour, and that the next time she pulls that kind of disrespectful B.S, he is going to take it as a sign that she is no longer interested in being his wife. Wife will either never do it again, or will continue to do it, at which point OP is free to remove himself from a toxic situation. Not sure what yelling at wife achieves...most men with anger issues are fake alphas who are yelling at themselves because they know, deep down, that they are betas. They are mad because they lack the confidence to take initiative and go after what they want. OP, if you want to be married to a loyal woman who treats you with respect, then start taking steps towards that goal.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Vibe > LooksThey can feel it. Ask guru and some of the wiser men. They can feel emotions elevated more than normal and they can see you getting red/hot.
Another topic that has received less attention in this forum.Vibe > Looks
Vibe > Money
Vibe = (Perceived) Status
It's all Vibe. Those who don't see this, don't know women yet.
It's not a beta move.How does she know this? Is she telepathic? Ok, fair enough I’ll give you that she knows she’s flirting, but how is she supposed to know that it’s unacceptable to OP unless he lets her know? There are many marriages where flirting with others is ok. I just don’t understand the grand, dramatic gesture right away. Save your firepower for when you’ve told her you’re not cool with it and she does it regardless. Sorry, it’s beta posturing to not let her know first.
The entire act like your not there and flirt with the waiter or group can decrease your vibe.Vibe > Looks
Vibe > Money
Vibe = (Perceived) Status
It's all Vibe. Those who don't see this, don't know women yet.
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
I am re-thinking this.. your advice is the way to go, and save the conversation for after.It's not a beta move..
The exact opposite will happen should OP engage in a conversation with her there and then as you suggested.
Welcome back bro.Another topic that has received less attention in this forum.
Vibe is a state of mind that influences a man's body language or if you like his "aura".
Any options other than taking a dump?Your wife is a thot....sorry sir not sorry
BS this is Classic Gaslighting.One problem in our marriage has been that she has never seemed to be able to recognize when a guy is hitting on her or how some of her conduct comes across as leading on or flirtatious.
All of this while you're sitting right there? Fuk that, I would've filed for a divorce yesterday. There is no reframe here, she's done.Long story short. She shared where she works out, where she works...
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.