GrowingPains
Master Don Juan
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What's the penalty for turning it in later in the day?
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
It’s on time or it’s a zero. So I have to do it. Due at midnight though so I should be able to scrape together like 6 hours throughout the day to finish it.What's the penalty for turning it in later in the day?
Just working man!What's the word?
I'm assuming you've been out gettin' after it. No time for small talk, eh?
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
All kindssssss of gainz haha. Thanks for your encouragement bro! You guys keep me going when I’m not sure I can do it.LETS. FVCKING. GO!!!!!
Good stuff man, keep it up. 80 is great progress. Remember; progress not perfection. Think that way and you'll reach all kinds of new heights. All kindssss.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
What do you mean by this?I can’t be genuine anymore
I say all this because I’m thinking of overhauling my entire approach(now that I’ve done like 30.) Instead of just saying what’s on my mind, I’m thinking of going old school and using routines/flowcharts designed to create maximal attraction. But at the same time, that seems somewhat constricting.What do you mean by this?
Is that what a DJ would do?
A man with self respect is genuine. A genuine man doesn't change for others. Changing for others is not respectable. Being able to adapt is different.
Why don't you figure out where the women that you don't consider vapid/hoes are? I mean I know some of the most attractive girls have the least to them. But there's hot girls with brains too. Tbh, if a b!tch doesn't entertain me then why would I waste my time with her just to potentially fvck. My time is more valuable than that. She needs to be worthy of my time.
And maybe you should give these girls a chance to be more than a vapid party hoe. Do you see them and instantly your vapid party hoe radar goes up before you even speak to them? Everyone has something to say, you just have to bring it out of them. This is what being a good conversationalist is about. Have you considered that the problem might be you? I'm not saying it is, I'm just opening you to the opportunity to think about it. The same way you might be thinking 'wow, she has nothing intelligent to say', she might think 'wow, this guy sucks at having intelligent conversation'.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Yeah, women can be shallow. They tend to look for three things: body, money, or status -- well at least the ones we want to have sex with or date.Zero Faith in Humanity; When to go to Sleep
I like Dr. Nerdlove’s honest approach to dating, I really do. But after getting soft rejected and seeing how shallow these hoes are in person and on social media, I have zero faith in females anymore. Especially these hired guns. So shallow and dumb.
I do agree with a lot of Dr. Nerdlove’s Game, like maintaining Emotional Momentum and stuff like that. But for these dumb hoes, I just don’t think going with a totally honest approach like that is gonna work. I’m gonna go full on PUA/Mystery Method, I can’t be genuine anymore. It’ll give me more confidence in my approach too cause I know EXACTLY what I need to be saying and doing. The only way I’m gonna be able to relate to these hoes is through PUA.
Looks, Money, Status. Every stereotype that the pickup industry has about women is pretty much spot on I’ve found.
My Game is gonna be a weird hybrid between PUA Stuff, AMS, and Dr. Nerdlove.
Then again, why not have both the Nerdlove Attraction Method and Mystery Method in my toolbox so I can use either as needed?
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Also, sometimes I need to know when to throw in the towel and just go to bed. I tried to stay up until 6 AM and that ended really badly for me. Still learning responsibility.
I think my conversational skills have definitely improved. So I would give myself a positive rating but I’m biased towards myself lol. I think this problem will naturally go away as I do more and more approaches. Let’s see if the problem persists by the time I hit Approach 100.Yeah, women can be shallow. They tend to look for three things: body, money, or status -- well at least the ones we want to have sex with or date.
Although, in my opinion, most women are on autopilot when they are out in the field. It's quite possible that may not be as shallow as they come across and are in fact putting up a front. Thus comes the challenge of breaking that programming and sticking out in her everyday interactions. It could be going out of your way from your busy day just to open her. It could also be busting a move (good dancing) in the produce aisle at the grocery store because you feel like it.
The whole point is that you have to figure out what makes you stick out to generate a hook. And the best way to do that is removing yourself from your perspective and think about her perspective. Would you want to be approached by you? If you were in her shoes, why would you stick out from the rest of the guys?
Neil Strauss described a good mentality to have when going out. Average guys go out to meet women because they want to feel better about themselves. Guys who have success go out because they want make others feel good about themselves.
This’ll definitely be something that I’ll consider as I really start to dive into Daygame. The sooner I read Day Bang by Roosh V, the better.Here's a good exercise:
Where do high-quality women hang out? What do you think they are thinking all the time? They don't spend all their time at a nightclub or bar. They have some obligation to something. Once you figure that out, be curious and check it out.
I'll give you a hint. A lot of high-quality women tend to do Yoga. I say that's the best place to start.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.